Neo (00:07)
that normally your warm up before the podcast
Android (00:10)
No, what I usually do before the podcast is I drink a pot of black coffee.
do six shots of bourbon.
And then
purge.
Neo (00:17)
Okay, well then I think you're ready to go. Let's start. Welcome to another episode of Mostly True Alien Stories.
welcome back to Mostly True Alien Stories where
into history's most mind-bending alien encounters and see if they hold up to scrutiny. I'm Neal Girandola and of
state lines, my co-host is Andrew Triana.
today's episode, we're going to take a closer look at one of the most unsettling alien abduction cases that have ever been reported. the
Android (01:02)
name?
Neo (01:03)
alien
abduction incident.
where two guys, a quiet night of fishing and then something unexplainable, a strange noise, bizarre creatures and a
actually has been debated for decades
this one's got all the elements of a classic UFO encounter,
will it hold up to closer examination? Once we dive into that story, we're going to find out about all of
course, before we get into the night that turned fishing into something pretty weird.
Let's hand it over to Andrew for the latest in alien news and entertainment. Andrew,
Android (01:30)
Hmm hmm.
Neo (01:34)
is the latest on sightings and stories making waves right now?
Android (01:38)
Making waves right now, Neal, as astronomers stumble across
UFO
in cosmic dust.
Neo (01:44)
Really?
they found
new galaxy?
Android (01:50)
let me tell you about it. So University of Colorado in
aiming to uncover
peculiar class of
known as the ultra-red flattened objects or
UFOs.
flying objects, these UFOs are unusually large.
red-hued galaxies that have captured the attention of researchers for many, many years.
Neo (02:12)
in the galaxy, seeing they're seeing these disk like UFOs that that kind of thing.
Android (02:16)
They're seeing
something that they're calling UFOs. They're red flattened objects. They're really not sure what they
It's just in cosmic dust.
Neo (02:24)
and just covered in this cosmic dust.
Android (02:27)
the researchers explain that the UFOs are odd cosmic ducks for several
one, they exist near
Neo (02:33)
Okay.
Android (02:36)
the observational limit of earlier space instruments,
such as the Hubble.
space telescope.
Neo (02:42)
okay. Okay. Yeah.
Android (02:43)
the Hubble completely missed
these galaxies emit very little visible
Neo (02:49)
that because of the dust?
Android (02:50)
because of the dust and because of the distance. So as a result, the UFO galaxies were all but invisible,
Neo (02:52)
Yeah. Okay.
Android (02:58)
light. The Hubble telescope only records visible light. So the Webb telescope, in
collects infrared
So who cares about the Hubble? That's old news.
Neo (03:05)
Uh-uh. Yeah.
Android (03:08)
That's
you hear people say,
you're better than sliced bread. Well, what was there before sliced bread? There was just a loaf, right? So now it's like the Hubble. That's what I'm going to use. Yeah, they just tore it. They didn't even cut it. Now it's like.
Neo (03:16)
Yeah, you had to rip it apart. were just ripping bread apart.
Yeah, yeah. then and
then somebody's like,
I can cut this.
everybody's like, Whoa,
Android (03:27)
BAAAHHHH
Neo (03:29)
no, no, I think they embraced it, right? They're just like, this is better than torn
Android (03:33)
This is better than tearing
Hey, remember what we used to tear
Neo (03:34)
you
Android (03:37)
Wow.
Neo (03:37)
my god.
Android (03:37)
Man, we've advanced! Look how advanced we are!
Neo (03:38)
we thinking?
you know what? This is as bad as looking through a Hubble telescope, brother.
Android (03:46)
Can it get any worse?
know, why don't you advance yourself and get a web telescope?
Neo (03:50)
when we used to look through the Hubble?
Android (03:50)
Yeah.
was better than the Hubble
It's...
Neo (03:53)
I love that they're calling it the UFO Galaxy.
Android (03:56)
that's because
big red disks, they don't know what they are.
Neo (03:57)
Yeah,
Android (03:59)
This is really cool. Did you know that New
New York
ranks
Neo (04:02)
Right.
Android (04:03)
in the
UFO sightings and alien
So get your tinfoil hats
Neo (04:07)
yeah, I didn't know it was fifth. I thought maybe it'd be higher. I thought it'd be like in the top three, but it's top
number one is
Florida is number
Washington is number three. So that's Washington state. Yeah.
Android (04:19)
Washington state not DC. Gotcha.
Neo (04:21)
then Texas is number four and then New York number
Android (04:23)
What?
Neo (04:24)
Yeah. So California had 16,000 sightings over the past 29
Android (04:30)
Holy moly!
Neo (04:31)
And then you put it in perspective, I guess New York had
Android (04:31)
Wow.
Neo (04:35)
almost 6,500 reporting sightings over that time period.
Android (04:38)
Wow.
Neo (04:39)
would think it would be more.
Android (04:40)
It feels like it would be
So.
Neo (04:42)
the more
states with larger populations probably have more. Yeah. Right. Right. But they're probably per capita. There's probably more sightings. Like there's probably everybody's getting abducted out there. They just don't count it. Cause there's not enough people.
Android (04:46)
Yeah, that's probably what they're basing it off more people like North Dakota. I mean, there's nobody there.
Yeah, they're slaughtering
cows and they're being abducted. That's
So here's an interesting statistic since you brought that
Neo (05:05)
Mm-hmm.
Android (05:06)
is one UFO
every 1,301
in this Empire State in New
If we were part of 1,301 people, one of us would see a UFO.
Neo (05:18)
incredible stats.
Android (05:19)
Those are great odds.
Neo (05:21)
Yeah, great odds of seeing something.
Android (05:21)
I think I'm going to move back to New York.
Neo (05:23)
then it'll be 1,302.
Android (05:25)
did you know what today is?
Neo (05:26)
First day of
It is.
is
Android (05:28)
to I'm gonna be the first person to ever wish this to you. Are you
Neo (05:31)
Yeah.
Android (05:32)
National Alien Abduction
Neo (05:34)
today
Android (05:35)
is March 20th.
Neo (05:36)
You
know what? This is a shame because this should have been bigger, bigger news. We're going to make that a big holiday every year. We got to make that a big holiday every
National alien abduction day. Dude, what are you doing? I'm taking the day
Android (05:43)
Okay, that's bigger than it's.
Neo (05:47)
I'm taking the day off for national alien abduction
Android (05:47)
Yeah.
Why not?
Neo (05:50)
Yeah. I mean, it has to be celebrated,
has to be celebrated.
Android (05:52)
Yeah,
is actually ever abducted on March
Out of respect, the aliens know that those people that celebrate
out of
not abduct
Neo (06:01)
So wait, is that a true reporting
you're using?
Android (06:04)
That's not a true report, I just made it up.
sounds
nice, right? Look, everybody makes the aliens out to be
right? They're coming for us! they're gonna get
Neo (06:11)
no, that that's not true. We haven't shared a story where the alien has been bad.
only shared stories where the people that are involved in the encounter take it as a
So we're not making these aliens out to be it's just our reaction to
alien encounter itself that is horrifying from our perspective when it
Android (06:26)
Right, right.
Neo (06:30)
actually if they just calm the F down and take a look, maybe the aliens are not going to be mean.
Android (06:36)
Why can't they just,
And all the stories that we've read and things that we, no one's ever said, the first thing I did was I wanted to hug
Neo (06:43)
Right. Just a hug. Just give them a hug. Yeah. Just give them little hug.
Android (06:44)
What happened to the hug? Or a friendly handshake? Or a freaking friendly
Neo (06:48)
so those are two great stories so far. What do we got that? What's next?
Android (06:51)
a Tic Tac
spotted on Mars.
NASA photos.
cause of frenzy online. So the shocking discovery was made
NASA Mars Curiosity Rover
the image was posted to Reddit.
Sending space fanatics
into a frenzy.
Neo (07:07)
look like the tick tack UFO. Yeah, that definitely
Android (07:08)
It looks like a tic tac. Yeah.
Neo (07:10)
then it even looks like it's hovering because of the way the shadows
situated in the frame of the
Android (07:14)
Yep. Yep.
Neo (07:16)
then they have, they actually have two different timestamps of
of that same location. earlier.
nothing and then same location timestamp later and that's
is nasa disputing this or what are they
Android (07:30)
They're not really saying much about
Viewers posted, replied, comparing it to the notorious Tic-Tac UFO sighting that went viral a few years
Neo (07:39)
Right.
David Fravor and his crew who spotted that tic-tac shape, that's where we were first introduced to
it looks just like that. And that's what they're referring to that years ago. This is what they saw, but on Mars itself, this was the first
Android (07:52)
excited alien guy said, this is exciting because it's a testable
Meaning that if that thing ain't there when we come
it's fucking aliens.
Neo (08:02)
Yeah, but it's not there
Android (08:03)
No, it's
Neo (08:04)
Well, from what we're
it's not
Android (08:05)
Right.
Neo (08:06)
So we don't know if this has been doctored or anybody's put anything in there. But that's what I want to find out is what NASA, what is NASA actually saying? Cause I haven't seen that, that
Android (08:06)
Right.
Neo (08:15)
I think they did make a comment, but I'm not sure. I haven't found it
is pretty cool. If it's,
that's really there, what does that mean? What does it mean, man?
Android (08:23)
Right. Are they on Mars?
Neo (08:25)
Well,
Android (08:25)
Are they coming for us?
Neo (08:26)
probably, you know, their group that that alien,
said, Hey, make sure you do a fly by in front of the
get on camera, man.
was like a dare.
Android (08:35)
in there buddy. Are you there?
rowers over there. Can you do a quick flyby?
Neo (08:40)
gonna do it right now. But you know what? We did this before and they didn't get us.
Android (08:40)
Tune in.
rovers looking right at you right now, buddy. Good buddy. Can you pause? Good. Good. Good. Good. Good looking good looking good. Now speed away. Speed away. Speed off. Good. Good.
Neo (08:46)
Yeah, alright. I'm stop- I'm stoppin'. Alright, I'm goin'. I'm goin'. I'm goin'! I'm goin'! I'm goin'. goin'. I'm-
go back to earth and I'm gonna fuck with Fravor.
I do love the story because I love the fantasy of it. If that is true, that's like probably what would be one of the first valid
moments in identifying a
Android (09:03)
Yeah, actual moments
I
looking online and looking for UFO stuff, it's
our listeners are listening, stop doing the AI
please.
Neo (09:14)
you're really confusing Andrew. He's a non-believer, but you're making him believe, and AI is fooling him all the
Android (09:16)
Yeah!
It
Neo (09:23)
All right, what else you
Android (09:24)
Casey Musgraves.
Country pop
Neo (09:25)
What about her?
Android (09:26)
She apparently has seen UFOs.
She recalled being in Mexico for a friend's wedding when she noticed something strange.
I noticed something hovering above the corner of the
In the night sky, it kind of looked like the underbelly of a
You couldn't really see what it was.
know how around the outside edge of the hotel there's sometimes, you know, those floodlights and stuff.
Neo (09:47)
Yeah, sure.
Android (09:48)
She says whatever it was,
Shined
I was very confused by
So I said
what's
all watched it for a
Then it changed
into an X pattern like a windmill
Neo (10:01)
sounds like an orb.
Android (10:02)
and flew
Neo (10:02)
That sounds like an
Kinda moment.
Android (10:04)
And she said
just days after that,
first
she said she saw two giant balls of fire hovering above the city of Nashville.
Neo (10:13)
Where was she when she saw this first
Android (10:15)
The first one was in Mexico, she was at a friend's wedding. And so other people that were with her saw it, saw this X-shaped thing. Other witnesses.
Neo (10:19)
Okay, what? they did. Witnesses. So
it was in Mexico or New Mexico.
Android (10:27)
It was in Mexico.
I think it was 2015 is when it.
Neo (10:32)
she hadn't blown up on to the circuit yet. She I think she was kind of just starting to do openings on stage.
Android (10:38)
She was just starting and she didn't report
this until 2019. So wasn't like she was using this story to get her fame.
Neo (10:45)
Yeah.
true? You think it's mostly
Android (10:47)
she has recently said that she has stopped smoking marijuana.
know what her code name
Space
Neo (10:53)
all right well that's cool
anything else
Android (10:55)
got a movie
Neo (10:56)
yes, I love your movie recommendations. What is
Android (10:58)
I'm gonna pull it
Probably written by two of my favorite
and comedic actors Simon Pegg and Nick
guys that brought us Shaun of the
one is called Paul
Neo (11:07)
movies.
I remember Paul. That was in
Android (11:10)
and it's about a
Yeah, 2011.
It's pretty funny because Simon Pegg and Nick Frost, man, when they're together, it's just, it's nonstop
Seth Rogen is the voice of Paul. Yep, Seth Rogen is the voice of Paul. It
Neo (11:19)
Seth Rogan play the alien or something. Yeah, that's right. Yeah.
Android (11:25)
Kristen
Jane
got a huge cast in
Neo (11:29)
were on a road trip or something. I can't remember they were geeks
Android (11:31)
So yeah, so
they go to Area 57. They're comic book nerds, and they're also UFO nerds, and they're there for a huge
And they meet this alien who has decided that he doesn't want to stay at Area 51 anymore
He wants to go home. And so...
Neo (11:47)
Mm-hmm. Right. And isn't that,
the alien, wasn't he like, foul-mouthed and like, surprisingly human-like and... Yeah.
Android (11:52)
he's awful. Yeah, he's
pretty funny.
there's a scene in the movie where Paul gets this dead bird, right? And he brings it back to
Neo (11:59)
Mm-hmm.
Android (12:02)
And then he eats it.
Neo (12:05)
don't think I've watched the movie all the way through. remember watching it when it kind of came out, but I don't remember it so much.
Android (12:14)
Peacock. You can watch it on
Neo (12:16)
All right, now we're all caught up. Is that it? Is that all you
Android (12:18)
That's all I got,
Neo (12:19)
right,
Just a quick refresher for how this show goes down. I'm going to tell the full account of a reported alien phenomenon exactly as it was
then Andrew and I will break it down and see if we think this one is mostly true or just an epic story spun out of control. And we definitely want to hear from you guys, our listeners. So make sure you
your thoughts into the comments of each episode.
right, let's get into it. This is the Pascagoula alien of Dekchow.
Android (12:47)
Hmm.
Neo (12:49)
it was October 11th, 1973.
it was late evening in Pascagoula, Mississippi, which was a,
a small coastal town. It's hugged by these meandering Pascagoula river.
on this night it was,
was so thick and humid. was like clinging to the skin, like a wet
And there was a sliver of the moon. hung low in the sky and the insects hummed in the darkness.
yeah. Yeah, that's, that's it.
Android (13:12)
that?
Neo (13:15)
for Charles Hickson and Calvin
was just supposed to be a night of fishing and nothing
Hickson, who was a 42 year old foreman at a local shipyard.
He invited his young coworker, he was a 19 year old guy by the name of Calvin
unwind by the river after a long day at work. So they worked all day
their idea was say, let's just go, let's go fishing. So the two men weren't exactly close friends.
were more colleagues than buddies, but Hickson, who is a Vietnam veteran with a gritty demeanor had taken Calvin under his wing since the younger man was new to the shipyard and trying to settle into life in
nice of
Android (13:53)
Yeah, sure.
Neo (13:53)
And
night they picked a secluded spot on the West bank of the Pascagoula River and just under the highway of 90 bridge. was a, I don't know, highway that ran over the river, obviously.
Android (13:59)
sounds romantic
Neo (14:05)
the river was calm and quiet, except for the occasional splash of fish breaking the surface.
was nervous. It was his first fishing trip with
is according to the
wasn't much, he was nervous.
Android (14:15)
He was nervous to go fishing
with this guy. What did he think this guy was going to do? Jump in the water?
Neo (14:20)
don't know it sounds like it sounds like you know if you got an older co-worker that has been working in a you know the shipyard longer than him and you're
he's gonna come up to you and he's gonna go hey we're going fishing tonight make sure you bring your rod to work
he's like okay okay I guess
Android (14:35)
Are you sure? He's like, I
always got my rod with me.
Neo (14:39)
They probably all had their fission rods in their trucks, I'm sure.
Anyway, so yeah,
Android (14:42)
Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
Neo (14:44)
in the report, he was nervous and it was his first trip with Hickson. So he wasn't much of an outdoorsman, this guy,
but Hickson, on the other hand, he seemed at ease. can, he was content to sip his beer and cast his line. So, you know, this was probably something he did all the
they'd been there for about an hour.
and chatting lazily and listening to the night sounds when something caught their
A bluish light appeared across the water casting a faint glow that danced on the rippling surface.
And at first, they thought it was this,
was a patrol car from across the river. But when the light suddenly
knew it was something completely
so both men turned to look.
at what they see this light coming and that's when they saw
a large oval shaped craft hovering just a few feet above the riverbank and it's completely silent and emitting a strange glow.
before they could react, the craft began gliding towards them like it was floating on
so Hickson,
immediately drops his fishing rod. They're nervous. His heart starts pounding and Calvin
Rooted to the spot, he couldn't move a muscle. He was nervous as they get.
Android (15:56)
was nervous enough already going fishing with this guy he'd never gone fishing with, but now he's even more nervous because he saw something he's never seen before.
Neo (15:56)
Yeah.
Yeah, right, right.
Right. It's always something they've never seen before. Right. That was even more
So now the crab comes to a smooth stop about 30 feet away from them.
And then a hatch opens with this hissing sound, according to the
and
figures
beings were around five feet tall with gray wrinkled skin that resembled an elephant's
So their bodies were bulky.
and humanoid but they had no visible necks according to this
their heads were shaped like bullets.
That's what they described. Where their faces should have been there were just these slits where the mouth and eyes would be
instead of hands they had these lobster-like pincers. They were clicking rhythmically as they approached. were like
That's so crazy. Yeah.
Android (16:58)
Okay.
Neo (17:00)
Hickson later described their movement in his report as floating. were just floating above the
like they were being pulled along by some invisible
their legs remain stiff and immobile, giving them this sort of unnatural eerie quality. What a sight to see, man. You know,
Android (17:18)
they're there, they're looking, the hatch opens.
Neo (17:21)
Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like slits for eyes and mouths and they're only five feet tall. They probably looked a little taller because they're floating but
Android (17:23)
And then these guys come out and they're like.
You know what? They... I bet...
I bet those clicking sounds was Morse code.
Neo (17:38)
You think that's how they were communicating with each other? Like, I'm going to go get a little one. You grab the big guy.
Android (17:40)
Yeah, they were trying to communicate.
I think they were communicating to Calvin.
Neo (17:46)
Well, I don't know. I mean, we don't know about if there was any telepathy or anything to
Android (17:50)
they couldn't understand.
No, but they were doing through the Morse code. Yeah, I think they were trying to talk. Yeah, we are friends. click, friends. Click, click, click.
Neo (17:53)
like they were trying to talk to him like everything's okay dude it's okay we just want to be friends yeah yeah and then
like they look at each other like he he doesn't understand what we're saying yeah yeah and he was like he's so nervous
Android (18:03)
Then they were like click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click.
Why is he so nervous? Click, click. He has a great rod. Click, click, click, click. The other guy's rod is better. Click, click, click.
Neo (18:11)
Yeah.
We're here to save him from the old guy. Click, click, Yeah.
as the beings drew closer, both men were suddenly paralyzed.
So I could imagine, could imagine if I would see something like that, I guess I would. My first instinct would be very scary.
Android (18:24)
Mm.
Well, dude,
first I probably pissed my pants.
Neo (18:31)
and then shit
Android (18:32)
fucking things don't even have eyes they got these pointy things right a slit they're not talking.
Neo (18:34)
I don't know I
might I might shit myself
and then should be like all right I might as well piss myself now
Android (18:39)
Yeah, I would shit myself first.
Neo (18:43)
yeah yeah
Android (18:42)
I'm done. You know I'm done. Take me now. Good luck back there. Good luck. It's a mess, but you can get it if you want it.
Neo (18:50)
right so the boys are all the boys are paralyzed right they're not these these guys are coming at
Android (18:53)
Right.
Neo (18:55)
would later describe it as
that his muscles were like locked up like
Just, guess, I don't know. I guess there's, there's probably a name for it. maybe not atrophy because, but it was more catatonic maybe, but I don't know. Like, isn't so as he said that his entire body had turned to stone. So I wonder if the aliens were doing that to them or if it was just, they were just
Android (19:02)
Like atrophy?
okay, okay.
Neo (19:19)
with fear. That's the feeling you get
Android (19:22)
the result of fear.
Neo (19:23)
poor little Calvin, Calvin tried to scream.
but nothing came
He was going to scream bloody murder.
Android (19:30)
If you just go to screen, it's going like...
just shit my pants.
Neo (19:38)
one of the creatures, in fact, clamped a pincer around Hickson's
felt a sharp cold sensation.
then the being literally lifted him effortlessly.
then the other
the same
Android (19:58)
guy's a wuss, man. Seriously? He faints now because they grabbed him?
about it, man. If he was trying to scream, right, that means that he
in air
forcing himself to try to
he passed out because of
Neo (20:15)
Yeah, he
Android (20:16)
He hyperventilated,
Neo (20:16)
for
anyway,
Hickson remained, he was semi-conscious. So Hickson didn't, he was awake. Yeah, the old guy. So, and he was aware of his surroundings, but he was unable to resist. So at some point you get your wits about you and I imagine you'd be able to move, but he couldn't. He was unable to resist.
Android (20:21)
He was awake, right? He was awake during this whole thing, right?
Was he just like,
fuck it, just take me.
Neo (20:34)
Well, he was probably like, you know, my fishing partner is a wuss. There's got to be more fun on the ship.
Android (20:38)
He fucking passes out,
shit himself and passed
Man, I tell if we get out of this,
gonna give me that fishing rod.
Neo (20:47)
the beings, they carry them both into the craft and
them through the open house. So these guys weren't being dragged. They're literally lifted off the ground and floated into the ship.
Android (20:54)
Right, they're just flying. Yeah. So it must have
felt awesome.
Neo (20:58)
I think if you could relax and really just take a big deep breath and take it in I bet it would have been
maybe
Android (21:04)
of trying to fight.
Neo (21:05)
I mean it's happening just let it just let it
Android (21:08)
I would have been thinking the whole time. You can fly. can fly. can
I'm Peter
Neo (21:13)
Peter Pan the alien.
so the interior so now they're in the craft and and they explained that the interior was brightly
Had a blinding white glow emanating from all directions
there didn't seem to be any specific light source. We hear this a lot in reports of interiors of spaceship
Android (21:30)
Yeah, you know,
if aliens, you're listening, can you stop with the fricking minimalism in your interior design?
Neo (21:39)
We are so well ahead of our designs and our ships. We all use a special design of our ships to make it very minimalist, streamlined, very brightly
them to feel... We like it. We like it very much. I don't know what's the matter with you Americans.
Android (21:52)
like it here.
I don't get
they're all described basically the
stainless
lights.
Neo (22:01)
know what
think that's a shock reaction? You think it's like, know, when you like passing out, you see bright lights.
Android (22:06)
yeah, you're
right.
I've never passed out, so I don't know.
you passed
Neo (22:10)
yeah, I out.
I was abducted.
Android (22:12)
Did you shit yourself when you
Neo (22:14)
I don't know, I was passed
Android (22:15)
know what, we gotta
do an episode about your abduction then, because this is all news to me. I would never have known
Neo (22:18)
yeah.
it wasn't from aliens.
Yeah, yeah, I don't want to talk about
right, so there didn't seem to be any specific light source. The walls were smooth and metallic and they curved upward like the inside of an egg. In fact, the ship was shaped like sort of like an egg
he was placed on the old guy. He was placed on a flat examination
unable, still unable to move his limbs.
A thin metallic arm like device emerges from the ceiling.
And then it began to whir and click as it scanned him from head to toe. So he's getting a full on
these
Android (22:57)
Well, that was
You got to check up.
Neo (22:58)
He could feel this pressure on his skin, like tiny pricks running up and down his
then, uh, another device descended And that resembled a large glowing
that
front of his face. And it scanned
Android (23:13)
wow.
Neo (23:13)
then through the corner of Hixson could see through the corner of his vision through the corner of eye, he caught a glimpse of
Android (23:14)
Thank
Neo (23:20)
guy who was passed
was on another
still unconscious.
And the other two beings examined him with the same methodical precision using the same sort of
so now this entire experience seemed to last just a few minutes,
to their report, but when the beings were finished, they
Hickson and Parker back outside
they set them down gently on the riverbank as they described
And then the
then it just rose slowly and shot off into the sky at this incredible
leaving nothing behind but this faint fading.
so the two men are sitting there and they're stunned in silence trying to make sense of what just
Calvin of course he's come to now and he's shaking
on the verge of
Android (24:07)
he just woke
Neo (24:09)
and Hickson
struggled to calm him down he's trying to calm him down he's holding him gently
Android (24:11)
Is he like, okay
Neo (24:15)
and he's trying he's trying to ground
trying
Android (24:18)
Get a grip!
Neo (24:19)
he's trying to calm Calvin down. But at the same time, he's trying to get
to reality, you know, mentally, he didn't know what the shit
Android (24:23)
Yeah.
Neo (24:26)
So now,
and Parker, Charles Hickson and Calvin Parker regained their composure and realized they were physically unharmed, so they weren't hurt,
knew that they needed to report what had happened.
So as they sat in, sat in the Hickson had driven there, I guess. So they're sitting in his old, he had an old
hands are shaking uncontrollably and they debated their next
his own terror, he just took over. Of course, he's the older guy. He's the only one that didn't pass
Android (24:50)
Right. He's going to be
we were duck.
Neo (24:53)
Well, he knew, he knew that keeping quiet wasn't going to be an option. Right. So they needed to report the incident to the
Calvin, who was visibly pale, visibly shaken. He wasn't so sure. He
just argued it a little bit. He didn't, he didn't want to go report it. He wanted to go
want to lock the doors and you want to forget the whole thing and
Hickson was, he got, he got firm about it. He said, listen, if we don't report
people are going to think we're crazy.
When it does get out. So it's better to come clean right
so they headed straight to the Jackson County Sheriff's office in
And it was just after 10 30 PM
And they walked through the doors and there's there is Sheriff Fred
And captain Glenn rider, they were on duty. They looked up surprised to see two grown men in such a state.
Android (25:34)
Okay.
Neo (25:39)
of distress. obviously they looked like they were in
and Parker try to explain what
And of course the officers are completely skeptical.
Android (25:49)
You're like,
whatever, boy.
Neo (25:51)
That's exactly right. He's eyeing them up real warily.
suspects they were either on alcohol or drugs or
And Diamond's first question was,
boys been drinking?
in the report written just like that. You boys been drinking?
it got
Android (26:03)
No, sir.
Neo (26:04)
Yeah.
Android (26:04)
I had
a beer or two, a couple of Quailudes.
Neo (26:06)
Well,
well, that's exactly what Hickson, I'm responding because he says, no sir. We haven't touched her
been out fishing. So I guess it's a rule for Hickson and to when he goes fishing, he's not going to drink or do drugs when he's fishing.
Android (26:19)
because God knows what's happened to him before. Dude, he's anxious. He's nervous about going fishing with people. Who knows what happened to him before?
Neo (26:22)
Yeah. Yeah. No, Hickson, Hickson,
Hickson, Hickson wasn't nervous about it. Calvin, Calvin was nervous about it, but Hickson, Hickson, but when he says, no, sir, we haven't touched a
We've been out fishing.
I don't know if I would, know, it's one of those moments where, okay, so you've been fishing. What does that have to do with not drinking?
don't know.
Android (26:41)
Well, I usually
give them a roofie and then, no, no. Did I say that?
Neo (26:47)
I take my young boys
I usually roof him first.
Android (26:51)
And then I'll give them a
Neo (26:52)
I don't touch nothing.
Android (26:52)
them down.
I don't know. No, no, no. It doesn't allow it.
Neo (26:56)
no, no, no, no.
Android (27:00)
a little erectile dysfunction.
Neo (27:00)
Makes get sloppy.
Android (27:03)
I don't want any of that dysfunction.
Neo (27:03)
It gets.
right. So,
diamond and rider, they decided to now let's separate these guys. We'll question them individually to see if their stories match
to their surprise,
both men recounted nearly identical experiences.
the strange light over the water to the pincer like hands of the
sheriff Diamond still remained
he's got a better plan
He decides he's going to secretly secretly record the two men when they were left alone together in the interrogation room.
Android (27:33)
he's gonna try to catch him in
Neo (27:35)
we're going to see if these boys are
if they were faking, he figured they dropped the act when they thought no one was listening to them.
Android (27:42)
Got it.
Neo (27:43)
he captured on that tape was not the sound of men conspiring to pull off a hoax. was two terrified men trying to make sense of what had just happened to them. And in fact, those tapes actually exist. You can actually find those tapes. They
Android (27:58)
Yep.
Neo (27:59)
So the Hickson tape, that's
Android (27:59)
Hickson tapes. They're called the Hickson tapes.
Neo (28:02)
the secret
recording
a lot of people say it's chilling to listen to even now. I listened to it. It is a little
reveals two men generally terrified, trying to rationalize their Yeah. So Hickson on the tape
Android (28:14)
what happened, right.
Neo (28:18)
is while they're alone together in the room. Hickson says, who's the older guy? He says, I know what I
it was real.
I swear to God, it was real. And Parker
didn't hurt
I don't ever want to go through that again. I was scared to death. I mean, I still am. They could come
these are excerpts. This isn't the exact in order line. And here's a, it's just very long. Yes. Right. So I'm summarizing some of the stuff and Hickson also said, I just want to get it off my mind, but it ain't never going to be
Android (28:37)
Right, right. No, it's a long, it's a pretty long tape. It's like 25 minutes long, I think.
Neo (28:49)
And Parker says, what are we going to do if nobody believes us? And that's kind of sad that line too, because Parker does go on to have a pretty tough, tough, go, we'll get into
so the tone of their voices told diamond and Ry are everything they needed to know. These men were not fabricating the
if they were, they deserved Oscars for their
actually.
Android (29:10)
They were nominated, I heard,
Neo (29:11)
it weren't for Chalamet, they would have had their Oscars.
diamond, the officer, decided to take their claims seriously.
He
air force
They're located just 20 miles away in Biloxi and the air force.
Android (29:21)
Mm-hmm.
Neo (29:24)
they declined to investigate
They were stating it was not their jurisdiction since project blue book had ended in 1969. we're in 73. So blue
Android (29:26)
Yeah, they're like.
Neo (29:33)
normally investigates his
they ended.
their run in 1969. you're four years later. the blue book wasn't going to investigate it.
Android (29:41)
And there's no other
agency that's going to investigate this because Blue Book is done.
Neo (29:45)
yeah, so Blue Book wasn't going to do it. The FBI,
get involved only because afterwards there was this intense media
no FBI documents were ever formally declassified on the
Android (29:54)
Right.
Neo (29:55)
it appeared the FBI did not consider the event a credible
involvement, or you could say lack
to their
Some people speculate that NASA might've taken an
but there is no evidence of NASA even in looking into it. And their public stance was that they had no interest or involvement with UFO cases at the
Android (30:06)
Okay, okay.
Neo (30:14)
government agencies did largely stay out of the investigation.
there were several independent researchers and UFO organizations,
who took on the case,
aerial phenomena research organization,
they sent investigators to interview Hickson and Parker. They concluded that the men were credible witnesses and that the trauma displayed seemed
then there's the national investigations committee on aerial phenomena. They also interviewed the men and found no evidence of a hoax.
And then Dr. J. Allen Heineck, who was a former project Blue Book consultant and well-known ufologist. later reviewed the case and found the testimony compelling though he didn't officially endorse
They also did polygraph tests, but they were inconclusive, but it didn't mean that they were
And it didn't mean that they were telling the truth. They were just
In fact, Calvin Parker was unable to complete his test.
due to extreme anxiety and emotional distress.
So after that night, the Sheriff's department did conduct the limited investigation and they examined the site of the abduction.
found no physical evidence like burn marks or
And there was no radar evidence or corroborating reports that something was flying in the area at the
When the story leaked to the press, it created an instant media sensation as everyone
the reporters from all over the state and soon from around the
descended on Pasco Gula. So it was a big press
and
the public
they were being ridiculed over this
firm in his story. gave multiple
and even appeared on talk
Parker, the,
Android (31:43)
Parker did nothing.
Neo (31:44)
he went into complete
was devastating for him
he was traumatized
what anyone could comprehend.
Hickson seemed almost invigorated by the attention, Parker became withdrawn. was anxious. He was paranoid and he refused to talk to the press and wouldn't even discuss it with his own
suffered too. He suffered from depression and intense anxiety. He often woke up drenched in sweat from nightmares about the creatures in the metallic examination
for over 40 years, he avoided discussing the event.
He moved from job to job. couldn't keep his marriages. He tried to escape the public eye.
was a tough run for
it wasn't until 2018 that Calvin actually broke his
his own book, Pasco Gula, the closest encounter, my
Android (32:26)
didn't do that until Hickson had died.
Neo (32:28)
don't know little sus but we'll get into that Well, maybe maybe what he gave he in his book though, he gives a vivid and terrifying account of what happened He described the terrifying paralysis the cold grip of the pincers and the inhuman movements of the beings He also mentions more vivid memories of the examination including feeling like something was probing his mind
Android (32:29)
That's kind of weird. That's just weird, boy. Tell you what.
Neo (32:51)
And he spoke openly about how the trauma haunted him for decades and it prevented him from holding down jobs and
also revealed that in later years, more witnesses actually came forward claiming to have seen the strange lights over the river that same very
this lend a little more credibility to their story,
they hadn't been the only ones who had saw seen something unusual.
was a big story that was titled UFO story causes sensation.
then because of that article, it was in the Mississippi
men were subjected to ridicule and
but Hickson refused to stay silent, as I mentioned, and he published his own book as well in 83 in a 1983.
the
Android (33:30)
10 years
he finished writing his book.
Neo (33:32)
His, is called UFO contact at Pasco
and it had some great success actually. He moderate success as he
that is the story and Andrew now I'm going to ask you to weigh in and let me know if you think this is a mostly true alien story or not and of course listeners we're going to want you to add your thoughts in the comments as well but now let's hand it off to you Andrew is there want to fill in any blanks anything I may have missed and let's decide whether we think this is a mostly true alien story or
Android (34:00)
This is an interesting story
you know
happened to
people one person was catatonic while the other one was awake
Taken on a ship by these robot like we can call them like robot like
They ran tests on them and then they dropped them
back on the bank and
interesting is that technically they weren't supposed to be fishing in that
there's a place nearby that you're allowed to fish but where they were abducted
they weren't supposed to be fishing
Neo (34:26)
So Hickson
had his favorite little fishing hole. He had a little secret fishing hole.
Android (34:28)
Yeah, I want to say he had his own, yeah, his own
little, his own little fishing
it was interesting that,
Parker decided that he wasn't really going to
Hickson did most of the
all of the talking,
I found very interesting.
also find it weird that a 42 year old
taking a 19 year
Neo (34:49)
You're gonna turn it into
You're talking about man boy
Android (34:52)
I'm talking about man love and boy
I just find it fascinating because they
really
was friends with actually Parker's
got him the job at the place where they worked
Neo (35:02)
Okay. Well, then,
what are you questioning that makes sense. He's gonna do his buddy a favor and take his son out fishing. You know, know,
him a little time.
Android (35:11)
No, no, that sounds fun, especially when you're really anxious about the whole thing and really nervous. Like, why was he nervous? Did he get vibes from Hickson, possibly? Did Parker get some weird vibes from him, wondering what was going to happen down by the river?
Neo (35:28)
have a best friend who, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not going to do that. best.
Android (35:30)
who's 75 years old and he used to take you and sit you on his lap and give you Werther's butterscotch. I mean, what?
Neo (35:37)
Go ahead. Grab candy out of my pocket,
yeah,
Android (35:38)
That doesn't feel like a ca- that's a whole roll of candy. You'll like that
Neo (35:42)
no, I have, I have a buddy who's my age who's offered to take my son to like a basketball game or take him out, you know, to places like that.
don't question
I think he's, close enough where he's going to say, I'm going to get your son a job and then I'm going to take your son and go fishing with him under the, under the bridge late at night in a secret
Android (35:51)
Maybe he sold him.
Fishin'.
think this was a, I think this was a, a, gay gone
look, I, I think that, I think
Neo (36:04)
what they, so that caused them to make up this whole thing?
Android (36:07)
there is a documentary.
can watch it on Amazon called Puskula 73.
revealed in this documentary is
nothing for all of these
right? And it wasn't until later in
Neo (36:17)
Yeah.
Android (36:19)
he went under
And when Parker started telling his part of the story, it became more elaborate and more elaborate and more
anything Hickson had ever
Now, Hickson was the only one that was conscious, supposedly, on the spaceship, not Parker. Parker was out.
Neo (36:34)
Well, that was Hickson
and Hickson and accounting, right? So.
Android (36:37)
Yeah, it's Hickson's
accounting. Everything has been Hickson's accounting during this whole time, except after Hickson
Neo (36:40)
Mm-hmm.
Android (36:44)
came out and he said, yeah, no, there was even a female alien on the
that Parker says he had a confrontation with and bashed her head
mean, this is some crazy
Neo (36:54)
bad, he got
Android (36:56)
Parker got violent.
Neo (36:57)
So why would he come out
Android (36:57)
Look, I think...
Neo (36:58)
with a more elaborate alien abduction story rather than coming out and saying this dude was a freaking weirdo, man?
Android (37:04)
if you got taken advantage of by a man you're not gonna come out and say
that's why he was haunted by all this stuff for so
i think that the blue lights where the police catching them fishing or catching hicks and doing something else
it freaked him out they thought they got
and then he went to the police station that's what i think and then
You can even spin this another way, that the police were involved in it as
Neo (37:27)
all had fun with little Calvin Parker. Yeah, I'm dragging back to cell seven. We'll be in in a minute.
Android (37:30)
with pile of Calvin Parker, yeah.
I struggle with this story because something happened to Parker. I mean, I watched the documentary and watching him under hypnosis. I don't even know if he's under hypnosis, but he's very emotional. He's very
He's angry at whatever
And what they're saying is that they just examined
but his recollection that he does have under hypnosis, under regressive hypnosis, is a very violent, he's very violent during this thing. So he's definitely angry about
Now we know that when people go under regressive
one thing that has been implanted in their brain for so long is this UFO alien
It could have been some other repressed feelings that he had.
where he combines the two things together. That happens all the time in regressive
because it,
Neo (38:17)
I don't think you're qualified to comment on that.
Android (38:19)
I totally am, dude. I'm a ufologist.
Neo (38:21)
think you could speculate all you want. But what about the facts of everything? What about the recording in the
What about all of the conversations?
Android (38:27)
recording, what dude? was a guy. They
never said those aliens got us. That's never said in the recordings. There was just like, I know what I saw. I know what happened. That's basically what they said the whole time. They never said those silver things came and they clicked and they grabbed us and they floated us over to the ship. And then one of them threw me on the table and Kevin, fuck you were asleep. You passed out shit in your pants. There's none of that. There's none of that on that tape.
It's them repeating the same thing over and over again and it's mostly Hickson communicating on the
I'm not sure what happened.
Neo (38:58)
But you're not saying it's not a mostly true alien story.
Android (38:58)
Something, I'm not convinced, I'm not
convinced that it's a true alien
Neo (39:04)
How is it that you're not leaning away from it saying it isn't a mostly true story when you came up with this whole man boy love thing? You went really deep and dark about it. You think it was a, you think it was more of a raping than a freaking alien encounter.
Android (39:17)
I think it was,
I think it was a fishing trip gone bad.
Neo (39:22)
not fully convinced.
Android (39:23)
I'm not fully convinced that Hickson really had a thing for Calvin. I'm not really sure about
Neo (39:27)
you
Android (39:28)
They might have been
I'm going to say there's a possibility that they were abducted.
Neo (39:32)
This
is more brokeback alien.
Android (39:34)
here's some other evidence that you didn't know
Maria Blair was a witness to the
She was actually abducted on the other side of the
They did the same thing to
They hadn't met.
They did not know each other, but the same thing happened that same night that these two guys were
Neo (39:53)
What
Android (39:53)
why I'm going to tell you right
Neo (39:54)
it?
Android (39:54)
I think
that this is possibly a mostly true alien story.
Neo (40:00)
Holy shit stop the podcast because this is a
Android (40:05)
what convinced me was Calvin was watching the documentary and listening to Calvin. He's terrified. They also have Maria Blair underneath hypnosis as well. She's terrified as well too. And her husband was there and watched her get taken
Neo (40:15)
Mm-hmm.
Android (40:20)
They had no idea because they didn't speak of it. They did not speak of being abducted that night to anybody because they didn't believe. There's no connection between Hickson and Calvin and Maria Blair. There's no connection. They're not related. They're not friends. They didn't know each other, but it happened on the same night. Plus there were other people that said that they saw hovering lights over the river then.
Neo (40:24)
Mm-hmm.
There's no connection between them at all.
Interesting.
you think this is the mostly true alien story? I love it.
Android (40:44)
story. Yeah,
there's too much stuff here to say that it's
I don't know if they're aliens.
Neo (40:51)
Okay.
Android (40:52)
Maybe it's the CIA taking
Neo (40:53)
Okay.
All right. You don't need to say anything more. I mean, you can leave it right in there. That's okay. Don't be
Welcome to the club. The believers club, my friend. This is how it all happens. This is, this is your starter kit. All right. So let me let me listen. You made some good points. You filled in some good,
Android (41:00)
I'm not a believer, dude. No, no.
Neo (41:08)
missing parts of this.
You're not wrong to think it is odd for a 42 year old man to take a 19 year old boy who's not related to fishing.
Android (41:18)
do they have
in common? One guy's a Vietnam
the other guy's
Neo (41:21)
you never know. He could be a God fearing, you know, Christian who want to do, you know, just just be a mentor to this kid who you never know what his his motives were in that regard. But I guess you could you could go either way in that regard.
Android (41:33)
He wasn't married
Neo (41:34)
Okay, I mean that doesn't mean
Android (41:36)
He had
people
Neo (41:37)
and he wore a hard hat all the
Android (41:39)
Sometimes no pants.
Neo (41:41)
if you really want to dive deep into it and keep
not
a weird situation. I think maybe he was friends with his dad and he's just mentoring the kid trying to get the kid to relax at
got him the job. He's like, Listen, let's just go fish, dude. Let's go fishing. So you know, you just become friends when you come from that kind of
The aliens, the aliens show up. And they take him Listen, here's here's what I'm thinking. I think
I think everything that they shared, I think something definitely happened.
I think now that you had Linda, the Blair, the Blair side of the story in there as well, I think is right. You also have the police officers who wouldn't be in on this and they're there. You know, they have instincts. They can, they can assess what someone's telling, you know, lies
Android (42:09)
Something happened to these guys,
Neo (42:23)
And these guys were scared. think
disappearing and not wanting to talk about it. I think that validates it even
think Hickson,
even though he
what
Android (42:50)
What the fuck just happened?
Neo (42:54)
Make sure y'all follow subscribe and tune in next
we're going to dig into some more of these bizarre cases. I don't know if Andrew will ever believe that it's a mostly true alien story again ever in his
Android (43:03)
Never again, this is it.
Neo (43:04)
but we want your listeners, please leave a comment. Let us know what you think. Whether this is mostly true alien story.
or not. Until then, keep your lines tight and your eyes to the sky and
stick to fishing during the day with people of your own
Android (43:19)
good.
Neo (43:21)
thanks guys.
Android (43:22)
Thank