Neo (00:00)
I'm good. Listen, I've been thinking.
I think we need to be really prepared for an alien invasion.
need like alien go
I also think that we need to
everywhere.
because think about it.
you get abducted and they're going to they're going to probe you, I think they go a little more gentler if you're you know.
Android (00:18)
Ready for
I'm going to have to start now because it's going to take me three weeks to get
Neo (00:20)
You're right, yeah.
go get started. I'll start the show.
Welcome to another episode of Mostly True Alien Stories.
Android (00:25)
I'm off.
I gotta tell
been blown away this whole week by stuff that I've been reading. Yeah, it's crazy. That's a crazy mug. Is that a little alien head mug?
Neo (00:55)
Yes,
my alien mug, you like that? Look at this guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got this Christmas present. Wow, you and I were thinking of the merch today.
Android (00:58)
I love that. Whoa, that's cool. Okay. All right. That's, that's, that's almost as good as my t-shirt.
same thing. So
That's the little alien from Quisp.
it's like, it's corn, corn puff cereal. It's one of my favorite cereals. I absolutely love it.
Neo (01:15)
Yeah. Yeah.
you want to get right into it? What do we got? You got any news and alien news and entertainment for me this morning?
Android (01:20)
Let's go.
Okay. So one article that I dug up from
I didn't know this, Elvis Presley.
Presley.
Neo (01:33)
Well, there's one more
Android (01:35)
here's the article that I found about Elvis. This was based from an article in London.
It came out on August 17th, 2010.
Neo (01:44)
came
out in 2010. So this is long after he's dead, dead and gone. This is a story someone's telling us. Okay.
Android (01:47)
After he was dead.
Yeah, okay, so
author Michael C. Luckman wrote a book called Alien Rock, the rock and roll extraterrestrial connection about musicians who had contact with other worldly beings. Believes Presley.
Neo (02:08)
Love this. Cause I think, I
think most musicians
are aliens.
Android (02:12)
because... they are aliens.
Okay, he believes that that Presley was visited by aliens when he was a
born...
Neo (02:20)
Wait a minute, wait
a minute, wait a minute. He, wait, this Luckman guy
believes that Elvis was visited by aliens when he was a child.
Android (02:24)
will he apparently. Yeah, because Elvis
Elvis said that he was.
Elvis said that he had alien experiences.
When he was
it says, according to reports, the Jailhouse rock hit maker is said to have seen several UFOs during his life with his interest sparked by an unusual sighting made by his father, Vernon, on the day he was born, January 8th, 1935. His father told us he had gone out to have a cigarette, 2
during the delivery.
And when he looked up in the skies above their little shack, he saw the strangest blue light. He knew right away that there was something special that was happening.
Neo (03:08)
When this is Elvis's dad said this.
Android (03:10)
Dad,
yeah Elvis's dad said
here's another article that I found.
This is an entertainment news.
This was October 27th, 2023.
it says Elvis Presley was connected to aliens from the day he was
with his family reporting seeing strange blue lights above their home while Elvis's mother was giving birth to
He also told his friend and advisor Larry Geller.
Neo (03:31)
Wait,
Elvis was born in a house?
Android (03:34)
Yeah, that's what they said.
Well, he was like poor and nothing before he became.
Neo (03:38)
Maybe you can still go to a hospital.
Android (03:40)
I don't know.
OK.
Neo (03:41)
Go ahead. didn't mean to interrupt. Go ahead. Let
me find out about these blue lights over Elvis's house.
Android (03:46)
Okay, so he also told his friend and advisor Larry Geller that when he was a child, he was visited by two telepathic beings who showed him a glimpse into his future.
They showed him a man wearing a white suit and singing to
Larry said Elvis didn't realize what that meant at the
but he became aware of it because it was a vision in his childhood.
Neo (04:09)
sort of depicted that in the movie that they did with Tom Hanks playing his the Colonel and in that movie, they sort of indicated that not not about beans, but a vision that he had when he was at the the Black Reform Church when he was a child when he snuck over there and saw Yeah, and that he there was that that person who was the preacher.
Android (04:16)
the Colonel? Yeah.
that he was going to be famous. Yeah.
I guess
they thought that if they showed aliens it would have the movie wouldn't have yeah,
Neo (04:39)
It would have turned everybody off.
They're trying to make as much money off of Elvis as they can. I mean, here we are in 2023 and someone's telling the story,
Android (04:47)
who's making the money off him now
Neo (04:49)
whoever reports it, you know, when they write an article is to draw eyeballs right to whatever they're doing. So let's write a story about the Elvis alien thing. Although it is it's very interesting and I wouldn't buy, you know.
Android (04:54)
Right.
alien.
I mean, think about it. I mean, we've talked about Fran Drescher, Goldie Hawn, Miley Cyrus, Post Malone. I mean...
Neo (05:09)
Yeah, there's a, there's a,
where do we start getting guests on our show? Celebrity guests to tell these stories. can't wait.
Android (05:15)
Yeah, I know. Dude, I came across a guy
that I think we need to get on the show. Dr. Stephen Greer. You heard about this guy?
Neo (05:21)
Who's that?
Yeah, Steven Greer, he was just on, he's been milking this thing that he's about
know, at eight o'clock on Saturday night, he was supposed to tell us about this, show us a video of the egg-shaped alien mothership that's here.
Android (05:40)
Yeah, I know. He's been saying that a big announcement's coming in
Big announcements coming at the end of January.
Neo (05:44)
It was supposed to be January,
it was supposed to be just Saturday, last night.
Android (05:48)
Yeah, no, it didn't happen. Not that I'm aware of. I didn't see it.
Neo (05:52)
I didn't see it either, but know Greer has been an advocate of, know, he's pushing things.
Android (05:57)
Well, he's huge.
He said that he said this. I've watched several interviews with him. It's pretty interesting. He said that he's been doing this for over 30 years. He was a trauma surgeon before that, but he was on Superfly, Dana Carby and David Spade's podcast. That's they had him on for a second time and him talking about how aliens are here on Earth and that we're working with them and that there's a bad group that's taken their technology.
Neo (06:15)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Android (06:25)
and trying to use it against us and that there's UFOs and then there are UAPs. That's why the new name is out. So the UFOs are all have been extraterrestrial and the UAPs are manmade UFOs. So like the drones over New Jersey would be UAPs.
Neo (06:34)
you
Android (06:44)
And that the aliens aren't here to hurt
Neo (06:46)
they switched over. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Android (06:46)
This guy has a big influence. So mean he was in Congress in November talking to them
but so was
Jeremy Corbell.
give you a little history this guy. He is a contemporary
a
he's based in Los Angeles, California, he just
Neo (07:01)
By the way, anybody
could become a
Android (07:05)
I'm actually, I think I'm gonna do it.
Neo (07:07)
I'm a third degree
Yeah, third level.
Android (07:12)
Do you have to believe in UFOs to be a ufologist? No, you just have to study it, right? Yeah, it's better that you don't.
Neo (07:14)
No, I think it's better that you don't. Well, you could just say you're a
Android (07:19)
You know
Ladies and gentlemen, we're gonna announce today that myself and Neil are becoming official ufologists. Now we are, I just said it. Officially, we didn't announce it. We didn't announce it before till just now. We are ufologists.
Neo (07:22)
Mm-hmm. Yep.
No, we are ufologists. Yeah, or officially, you're right. Right now we are as of... That's right, as of
8 14
Eastern Standard Time.
Android (07:39)
Eastern Standard Time.
guy, Jeremy Korbel, is doing a documentary
on TMZ is producing
truth behind unidentified aerial
He just recently shared his insights on an intriguing subject, on this intriguing subject during an appearance on TMZ Live. In the discussion, Jeremy highlighted the ongoing second season of TMZ Presents UFO Revolution and his fearless pursuit of answers regarding
Despite the mounting risks involved, he emphasizes the importance of bringing transparency to the public surrounding these
So I find it fascinating that
all these guys right so even that was one thing that dr steven greer said he said he's had threats on his life they've tried to kill him come on man if they were going to kill you they would have killed you why are they letting you talk about this and nobody
Neo (08:32)
why is everybody so upset about this
know, if your life is threatened and you're going to be killed, then, you know, Oh, let's go do a series that TMZ is
Android (08:42)
how are you becoming so public about it? And if people are really trying to kill you, wouldn't they have done it all right? Because this guy Greer said that he's had people on his team that have been
Neo (08:53)
I'll call it as I see it sometimes.
there's people in it to truly just spread conspiracies and make money off it. I don't.
Android (09:02)
fascinated
by it.
Neo (09:03)
fascinated by it, but you don't believe in it.
Android (09:05)
No, I don't believe in it. know, unless an alien came down and said, Hi, I'm Fred from outer space.
Neo (09:10)
know what would be really crazy? It would be great. Like you and I are doing this podcast for like three or four
Android (09:14)
and we get abducted.
Neo (09:15)
finally you tell me that you're an alien. Yeah. my God. Damn it. I knew it. Yeah. Yeah.
Android (09:19)
I do a big reveal.
Damn it, why did he do that? He's.
Neo (09:27)
else you got?
Android (09:28)
All this
time. Okay, well, a few weeks ago we had talked about, a few episodes ago we talked
Spielberg and his movie, his new movie. And dude, it's filming in New Jersey.
is going to start in March.
But it's definitely a UFO
So you should go and audition because they're looking for extras to be train passengers.
Neo (09:44)
all right.
I could be a train pass. So it's going to happen on a train.
Android (09:50)
well, whatever scenes they're filming in New Jersey. I thought it was fascinating that they're filming in New Jersey too.
Neo (09:55)
well, this is where this is the Mecha of aliens. This is this is this is where the mothership is. No, we were fast becoming it if we're not we are going to be number one alien state.
Android (09:59)
No, you know what? You guys aren't. You're not.
Massachusetts,
just so that you know, Massachusetts has the most alien sightings ever, UFO sightings in all the United
Neo (10:13)
Okay, well, mean,
that's fine. Sightings. Where, this is where the aliens are. They like to visit Massachusetts.
what else
So good.
Android (10:23)
I'll have some
more stuff with Congress, I hope, next
Neo (10:26)
All right. So let's move on to our mostly true alien story. As always, I tell you a reported UFO sighting or abduction from the past
And you and I will weigh in on whether we think it's a mostly true alien story or not. And Andrew today, our story
something I think you can relate to. It's called Mel's Hole.
Android (10:50)
yeah, I know Mel. I dated a girl named Mel in college. No, I didn't.
Neo (10:51)
Mm-hmm. You know Mel.
It's not about that. This is not about Mel's, your friend Mel's hole. Okay, this is something a little different.
Android (11:04)
Good, good, okay.
Neo (11:06)
This is the bottomless
right, and it all began with a phone
On a chilly February night in 1997, Art Bell, who's the host of a popular late night radio show Coast to Coast AM.
Android (11:15)
Ooh.
Neo (11:20)
Keep in mind, it's a late night show,
He received.
Android (11:23)
Right. So it's like those
two, hi. Hey, ladies and gentlemen, it's 2 a.m. and I'm your jazz host. Yeah, that I got you.
Neo (11:26)
Yeah, yeah.
Android (11:29)
I got you.
Neo (11:29)
If you're having
trouble sleeping where the radio for
he received an unusual call from a man who identified himself as Mel Waters.
Now, Mel had what Mel had to share was a story that was very
it was so outlandish and bizarre that it would captivate millions. In fact,
and go on to become one of the most enduring legends of the paranormal
to this story, Mel claimed that he owned a piece of property in rural Ellensburg,
where he had discovered something extraordinary, a mysterious hole on his land that seemed to defy
to Mel, the hole wasn't just
it was bottomless.
So we're talking about a bottomless hole we found on this property.
Mel described the hole as being perfectly circular, about nine feet in diameter, with stone walls lining its upper portion. And beyond that, it descended into impenetrable darkness with no visible end.
And he explained that the hole had been on the property for as long as anyone could
Local residents had long
used it as a dumping ground. They tossed everything in it. I mean, those are great. These are really great
Neighbors, yeah.
Android (12:43)
Wow. Hey,
we're just gonna throw this refrigerator in there. It's okay. No one will know.
Neo (12:47)
Yeah,
just dump garbage in the mills hole.
guess they probably did it when he wasn't home or he was out. Like they probably dragged it. Yeah, yeah.
Android (12:55)
would hope so. They'd
like, hey, just got a load of garbage.
Neo (12:58)
Yeah.
Right. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they were dumping everything garbage, old appliances, dead livestock, even furniture in
But no matter how much they threw in that hole had never filled up. So I guess they were at some point they were just like, Hey, we'll just sneak over here and throw stuff in there. And then eventually became a game for them. They're like, let's see if we could throw so much shit in here. We fill the hole up.
And they just kept going. Alright. And that's when they realized, we just can't fill this fucking hole up.
Android (13:28)
Right, the hole is just too deep.
Neo (13:30)
I've
thrown all of my shit. My house is empty now.
Android (13:33)
I dropped my house in there.
Neo (13:36)
right. So curiosity got the better of Mel. He determined to figure out how deep the hole really was. And he came up with a really great
tied a fishing line to a heavy weight and began lowering it into the
He fed out more and more line, thousands of feet of it, but the weight never hit the
or any of the trash that was thrown in there. And
Android (13:55)
I'm sorry.
Neo (13:56)
He, uh, according to Mel, he dropped over 80,000 feet of line. That's more than 15
Android (14:02)
Dang.
Neo (14:04)
sign of, of a bottom.
Android (14:04)
Where did he get all this line? That's a lot.
Neo (14:06)
Well, he just kept buying it, I guess, tying it in knots.
Android (14:10)
They're like, hey, Mel, you got some, yeah, I need a couple more spools.
All right, see you later. Let me know how many cases of blood this guy.
Neo (14:15)
Yeah, I mean, how, how many, what's the, yeah, like what's the largest,
how many feet is one spool of line?
gotta be, what, a hundred feet? Maybe a hundred feet of line on a spool.
Android (14:25)
That's a lot, 80,000.
Is that more line than they used, than Robert Shaw's character, Quint used in Jaws to get the shark?
Neo (14:38)
Let's just say it's 50 feet of line. I can't see it being, you know, let me see this. 80,000 divided by 50. Well, that's 1,600
that you have to buy.
Android (14:56)
How did he get,
what did he's like, let me tie it again. Tie another one.
Neo (14:59)
Yeah. Get to the bottom. You get to the end. got tied
up, tied on a knot. Get to the next one.
so on and so forth.
he just realized after dropping over, let's just say 2000 spools and I don't know, spending that's probably about $6,000 and
line that this was
Android (15:19)
No, because you
know what? I'm looking it up right now. Line, fishing line in 1997 was really inexpensive. It was like a dollar a spool.
Neo (15:31)
So we spent 1600 bucks.
Android (15:33)
Yeah, he spent $1,600 of his heart. You know why? Because he was charging people to dump garbage into that hole.
Neo (15:38)
It had to been at that
Android (15:40)
Yeah.
Neo (15:39)
Yeah.
let's throw in this couch.
Android (15:44)
I'll tell you what, I'll throw in the couch and the heater, the water heater. That's it. Give me the money.
Neo (15:51)
50 bucks Yeah, right, so this was no ordinary
Android (15:52)
$50 for that.
Neo (15:56)
We're learning so Mel's hole he says wasn't it wasn't just deep it it also seemed to have bizarre almost supernatural
Local animals Mel claimed refused to go near it Birds avoided flying over it and his dogs would cower and whine whenever they were brought near the hole
Android (16:11)
well.
Neo (16:18)
Yeah, exactly sounded like that
Even more disturbing were the stories from neighbors
were throwing trash in his hole.
One man, one man claimed.
Android (16:25)
Hey, can you go
down and that? I made a mistake. There was a cushion on that that was made by my mama's grandma. We accidentally threw that at King Mail. Can you go down there and get it?
Neo (16:34)
right one man claimed to have
Android (16:35)
I don't
Neo (16:36)
thrown a dead hunting dog into the hole only only for the dog to reappear alive weeks
collar collar and all wandering near the property
Android (16:43)
What?
Get out
of here. Get out of here. Okay.
Neo (16:49)
Then there were the
reports of strange metallic sounds emanating from the depths of the hole, like the clanging of machinery or the hum of some unearthly energy.
Android (16:55)
Click,
Bye.
Neo (17:01)
You know, this is why the other animals, his male animals were cowering going near the hole. They saw the neighbor throwing his dogs in there.
Android (17:07)
Yeah, because if it's-
They're like, he's gonna do that to us. No.
Neo (17:13)
Ain't no
fucking way of going to your Mel's hole.
Android (17:17)
Mel's hole's a trap. Stay away.
Neo (17:19)
Come on throw me in
Maybe the dogs were like hey, let's fuck with the neighbor. Let's put the same collar on
Android (17:28)
You know what? The dogs could go in the hole and come out. Maybe that's what it is. Maybe it's a passage for dogs only.
Neo (17:30)
Yeah.
Dogs only hole.
Alright, as Mel's story gained attention, he claimed that his land became the focus of government interest now. Now the government was moving in.
According to Mel, the officials from an unnamed agency approached him, an unnamed
Android (17:45)
they wanted to know. Right.
Neo (17:50)
they approached him and demanded access to his hole.
Android (17:53)
How do they introduce themselves as that? Hello, hello Mel, we are from an unnamed US agency.
Neo (18:00)
up against
the wall.
Android (18:03)
Is that your official name unnamed? Maybe that's their official name.
Neo (18:05)
Mm-hmm.
Android (18:08)
They're like, guys,
Neo (18:08)
We're the unnamed agency.
Android (18:10)
we are the unnamed agency. Well, what happened? Well, you know what?
Neo (18:09)
Government agency. They won't give us a name. They won't give us a name, okay?
But that's not important right now. What's important is your whole.
Android (18:19)
We can't agree on a name. That's what it is. We voted.
Neo (18:21)
It's not,
it's none of your business. All right, we're working it out.
Android (18:26)
We were going to call ourselves bacon, but nobody liked it.
Neo (18:30)
Alright, we digress.
Now let's talk about your hole. Okay.
so the unnamed agency approached him and they demanded access to the hole. I mean, why ask him? I mean, the neighbors weren't asking to throw trash in there, right? Just fucking go. Go, go, go see it.
Android (18:42)
Right. We've got a couple
nuclear weapons we want to drop in that hole. We're not using.
Neo (18:47)
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
Mel alleged that the sea that they seized his property, they placed it under military control, and they paid him while they paid him a substantial sum of money to leave the
Alright, so Mel stated that he relocated to your favorite part of the world, Australia, but continued to share his story with Art Bell's listeners on the late
radio talk show.
Android (19:11)
wow.
So he was still talking about it, but then they tell him not to talk about it.
Neo (19:14)
So he was now,
apparently he was a regular coming back onto the radio show to talk about his hole.
Android (19:20)
My hole's big. I got stones
Neo (19:21)
Maho. It's bleeding.
Android (19:23)
and now the government has come and they have just totally screwed me. Now my hole is bleeding.
Neo (19:31)
gotten bigger.
Android (19:32)
Bigger, more people,
tanks, trucks, you name it, it's been up in my hole.
Neo (19:38)
Now this part of the story apparently raised eyebrows. Why would the government seize a piece of land in the middle of nowhere unless there was something extraordinary to
Or was this just part of the legend Mel was spinning? So that was, you know, this is the conversation, right? So over the years, Mel continued to call into Coast to Coast AM adding new layers to the
Android (19:54)
Right, right.
Neo (20:00)
In later calls, Mel claimed the hole had connections to the paranormal and extraterrestrial phenomena.
He alleged that the hole might be a portal to another dimension or even a gateway to hell.
Android (20:11)
to the multiverse.
Neo (20:12)
He also mentioned that Native American tribes in the area regarded the hole as sacred
and avoided it.
Android (20:20)
apparently not sacred enough to not throw trash in.
Neo (20:22)
Yeah, right.
So one of the most, yeah, one of the most outlandish editions came when Mel claimed to have found a second hole in Nevada.
Android (20:33)
What?
Neo (20:35)
Yeah, this one was lined with metal.
emitted heat and had even stranger properties.
Android (20:41)
the first hole didn't admit heat.
Neo (20:43)
No, that was just endless, bottomless.
And dogs came out.
Android (20:46)
Okay, because you
know if he was using fishing line, according to scientists and the Earth's core, that fishing line would have melted
the deeper that it went, more than likely, unless it is really a portal to the extra dimensions.
Neo (20:53)
More than likely. Yeah.
Well, Mel's hole,
Mel's hole, yeah, he never said that I had heat.
Android (21:01)
Right.
Okay. So the second hole, he said, is hot.
Neo (21:04)
But I
think if it was a bottomless, it would definitely emit heat. That would be,
Android (21:10)
It would have to.
Neo (21:11)
yeah. Yeah, definitely.
Android (21:13)
Unless
it's a portal.
Neo (21:15)
Yeah, sure.
Android (21:16)
I mean, think
about it. You're the guy at the bottom of the portal, right? On the other side of the portal. And you're like, they just dropped two more refrigerators. Billy, Kevin, come on over here and help me move these refrigerators. Be careful, there might be something else dropping on us.
Neo (21:30)
Somebody
keeps throwing shit down here.
Android (21:32)
This is a terrible job. We're promoting you. You are now the keeper of the portal. That's fantastic. Thank you. First day at work.
Neo (21:39)
to wear this helmet. Well,
wear this helmet. Yeah. Yeah.
Android (21:45)
My job sucks, they interview that
guy. My job sucks, people just keep throwing trash and dead dogs and I finally threw the dog back up, it wasn't dead.
Neo (21:49)
Here, here, here's our-
Here's your first order of business. I need you to take this sign that says, don't dump trash in this hole and put it up there. Go on up, put up there.
Or here's a better idea, let's cover the hole.
Android (22:04)
Let's just put a tarp over it.
Neo (22:07)
Why is it
Anyway, this hole
Android (22:07)
you were talking about Nevada, right?
Neo (22:09)
Nevada, apparently, was lined with metal, emitted heat, and had even stranger properties. He reported that ice lowered into the hole
did not melt.
and that a goat lowered into the hole had returned dead.
Yet something extraordinary had happened to its
Android (22:26)
What was that?
come on, you're leaving me hanging here.
Neo (22:32)
The extraordinary happened to its body, something
Android (22:36)
They shaved it.
Neo (22:37)
Yeah, I don't
Yeah. His body turned into a refrigerator.
Android (22:39)
They manscaped it.
Neo (22:45)
you
Android (22:45)
We put
a goat in and I got a toaster. This is pretty good.
Neo (22:49)
Yeah, so anyway, skeptics argue that Mel's hole could simply be a natural sinkhole or a mine shaft. The bottomlessness could be an exaggeration or perhaps the fishing line encountered resistance that Mel mistook for infinite
Android (23:02)
it actually
hit bottom and he just kept thinking he was lowering it. So there's just a big spool.
Neo (23:05)
Yeah,
yeah, it's just a giant spool down
There's a lot of inconsistencies apparently too in his story. For one, there are no records of a man named Mel Waters owning the property in Ellensburg, Washington. Further, no one has ever independently verified the location of the hole.
For believers, the government's alleged seizure of Mel's land suggests there's more to the story. So, you know, for those believers, some speculate that the hole could be part of a secret military
or houses advanced technology, perhaps even connected to alien activity.
And the most extraordinary theory is that the hole is not natural at all, but a manmade or alien made construct.
Android (23:42)
Hmm.
Neo (23:50)
So it's seemingly infinite depth and strange properties have led some to suggest it's a portal to another world or dimension.
Android (24:01)
So.
what we could say is that the whole of Washington, right, was their first attempt.
Their second attempt was in Nevada where they put metal. They made it look nicer.
Neo (24:13)
It brought in new builders, new architects.
Android (24:15)
Yeah. They're
like, all right, you guys, you did the first hole. Terrible. Terrible. You're fired. We've got Williams construction. Alien Williams. I'm sorry. Non-human Williams construction is going to take over and do the second hole for us.
Neo (24:18)
Mm. Mm.
Yeah,
here's an interesting note.
There have been claims, I was looking for other people who may have seen Mel's whole,
like actual names of people.
Android (24:43)
Right.
Neo (24:44)
There have been, there's one notable individual is Gerald Osborne. He was also known as Red Elk, a self-described inter-tribal medicine man.
In 2012, Red Elk told reporters that he had visited
the whole many times since 1961
and asserted that the US government maintained a top secret base there where alien activity occurs.
but there's been no verifiable evidence,
to confirm the existence of his, of Mel's
So this is Red Elk, this guy telling us, and he does
is also no public records of anybody named Mel Waters residing in or owning property in Katitas County, Washington.
Android (25:18)
like
Neo (25:28)
Expeditions led by individuals, including Red Elk himself, in 2002, they were unable to locate the hole.
Android (25:35)
But this guy said that their hole was there, because he had seen it, but when he went back to find it, it was gone.
Neo (25:38)
Couldn't find it.
so I also looked into other reports
sort of behavior, alien sort of ideas in the area.
have been high frequency sighting of site, high frequency of sightings in that area. So Washington state consistently ranks among the top States in the U S for UFO
they reported. Yeah. Yep. Uh, I think it was Washington.
Android (25:59)
That was Close Encounters, right? Yeah. Or was that Oregon? It was Washington, right? Yeah.
Yeah.
Neo (26:04)
The state
reported a significant number of sightings contributing to its reputation as a UFO
Newfork, the National UFO Reporting Center, which was founded in 1974,
was originally based in Seattle, Washington, before relocating to Eastern
they contributed to a substantial number of reports.
And then Washington state is home to some of the most famous UFO incidents, such as the 1947 Maury Island incident, which involved the siting of unidentified flying objects and is often linked to the origin of the men in black.
Yeah.
Android (26:38)
Cool.
Neo (26:40)
Um, yes, absolutely.
Android (26:40)
we know we're both men and black fans. So.
Neo (26:44)
I will hand it to you now and let you weigh in on whether you think this is a mostly
Android (26:47)
Okay, so
Neo (26:49)
story or not.
Android (26:48)
here's something that I
I found also, doing a little bit of research here on Mel's Hole, that they had taken radios to the hole and actually turned on radios and there was a lot of static frequency and then they picked up what they're saying is old music, like music from the 50s being played and a radio broadcast from the 50s. And then the other thing is they said that they picked up a
Neo (26:54)
Mm-hmm.
I love that.
Android (27:16)
baseball game from 1967, although they don't say what team it
they said, apparently they heard that the year was 1967 and it was, you know, the Brooklyn Dodgers playing whoever, you know, it was like, wow, that's kind of, that's kind of cool.
Neo (27:31)
who did that? Do we know?
Android (27:33)
No, no. It's just, these are all like stories. The other thing too, the guy with the dog
who threw the dead dog in, said that the dog that came
Neo (27:39)
who threw the dead dog in the pit?
Android (27:43)
he's almost positive that it was his dog, but the dog never really came to him. It would avoid him and run away from
Of course it would, he threw him in the fucking hole.
Neo (27:51)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, you're gonna do
it again.
Android (27:56)
Come on.
Neo (27:57)
Let me see what happens if I throw you in alive.
the way, that is wrong to do, mister. Give that dog a proper burial next time and no one should harm a pet ever.
Android (28:01)
out.
No, even if they're dead.
I don't know what to think about this. This is
You know, there's several of these holes apparently on earth. think over the Middle East somewhere, there's the gate, what they call the gate to hell,
Neo (28:14)
Okay.
Android (28:24)
which is like this huge cave that spews out like hot gas and fire and stuff. And they're claiming that that's the gate to hell.
Neo (28:27)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Android (28:31)
It could be just a big hole.
Neo (28:33)
you're leaning?
You're leaning towards it.
Android (28:36)
Stuff like this is weird because the only thing that bugs me is that, this is the other thing too, Mel could never produce a picture of the whole.
And he said he took pictures, but cameras didn't work there.
Neo (28:48)
but radios work.
Android (28:50)
But the radio was like, grr, grr, Ladies and gentlemen, we are here at the Raceway. And it's like, come on.
I'm gonna say...
Neo (29:00)
where you're headed here.
Where you leaning?
Android (29:01)
It's just a hole.
It's just a hole. It's just a hole. No, I mean, it's... Yeah, there probably was a hole. I think there was a hole, and what happened was it finally filled up.
Neo (29:04)
You don't think this is mostly true?
You don't think this is mostly true.
Android (29:14)
And people got pissed.
Neo (29:15)
or covered up or hidden. I mean, as a portal, they can close it as easily as they opened it.
Android (29:18)
Right.
As they opened
it, right. They could close it as easy as they opened it,
would, but no existence of this guy. Like he never existed.
Maybe he came from the hole.
They could have taken all records of Mel and threw them in the hole.
Neo (29:35)
So you're saying it's not a mostly true alien story.
Android (29:35)
just a sinkhole.
No, I'm leaning to no. No. If this was the counter, right? This is...
Neo (29:42)
Okay. I mean, you, you, don't, doesn't, it doesn't have the yes
or no. You could just say that you are, there's not enough information for you yet.
Android (29:50)
Yeah, you know what? need more information. That's a good one. I need more information for me to believe that Mel's Hole is a portal to another dimension or alien
I need more.
Neo (29:59)
So you're saying this
is sort of a mostly true alien story, but you're not completely convinced yet.
Android (30:06)
I am not convinced at all.
I'm saying I'm leaving my mind open to
Neo (30:08)
That's fine.
All right,
let me weigh in. Let me tell you whether I think this is mostly true alien story or not. But let me talk about a couple of little things first, regarding
My theory on this is,
know, at the time of this coming out, I believe was the 90s was when he reported
Android (30:26)
Yeah,
97. What was happening in 97?
Neo (30:29)
Well,
90s was really the sort of UFO craze time. That was really when there was a lot of claims of alien abductions and government coverups and secret technologies were at their peak. know, this is when this shit was really picking up.
Android (30:48)
Well, the internet was starting in what, 93, 94, 96? Same year as Pokemon, that's weird.
Neo (30:50)
696 I thought yeah.
Is weird aliens.
and then this this late night radio talk show
know there was such competition to have ratings that I wouldn't put it yeah I wouldn't put it past a
Android (31:05)
2 a.m.
Neo (31:09)
radio program to create this character.
and create this story
and have this guy on several times
to
the ratings
to it. There were a lot of inconsistencies in his Mel's story as you we went
Android (31:20)
Okay.
Neo (31:29)
his story would change. the whole Nevada finding the hole in Nevada now, but you lived in Australia and you know,
Android (31:36)
Wait,
wait, wait, wait. That was one of the things I forgot to mention I read. He was contacted by a tribe in Nevada. That's how he learned about the hole. They asked him to come, which makes it because they heard about his hole in Washington. They're like, you have had familiar experiences with holes. Please come help us. It's like, come on. So yeah, so the tribe in Nevada contacted Mel, but how did they know how to get in contact with him? Through Art Bell, I bet, through the radio station.
Neo (31:52)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Right.
Yeah, I mean, did limited public appearances. He only appeared on coast to coast. And only did radio. They never saw him. There's no pictures of
Android (32:12)
But he only did radio, right?
Neo (32:17)
no one could confirm that he existed. So I think that, that, as cool as the story and the story was also influenced, I
I think there
the green river.
Gorge near Seattle, that was known for the deep pools and cave systems.
the Devil's Hole in Nevada that we talked
Android (32:30)
Hmm.
Neo (32:32)
And then Mount St. Helens folklore, that's the eruption in 1980. The legends emerged of mysterious government activity and unusual
to
not that this has anything to do with Mel, but, but Mel doesn't exist as far as we know. You know, it's only, so, so I'm going back to my theory that
The radio station for ratings created this character. had him call in, you know, and they just, he only called in there. And I think that they just grew this, the legend of this story themselves, which was great. Good for them. Good job.
I'm going to say that this is
a mostly true alien
Android (33:10)
agree with you on that. I want more. I need
I need proof because it's just not... I mean, you're right. mean, anybody could have called in to Art Bell or he might've done the voice himself.
Neo (33:15)
Yeah. Yeah.
Android (33:25)
hey listeners, you're listening to the sleepy jazz hour.
but I've got a caller here. Caller, are you there?
I'm here. What's your name? My name's Mel Waters. And what are you calling about Mel? I'm calling about my hole.
Well that sounds really fascinating. Can you tell us more about your hole? Well my hole is nine feet wide and people throw garbage in it.
Well, that sounds like a very interesting hole. We'd like to get to know more about this hole. We'll be right back after we have our sponsor, Kaopectate.
Neo (33:58)
You like my
Android (33:59)
Yeah, I'm going with, yeah, your theory is right.
Neo (34:02)
So anyway, that's the story. And I think Mel's Hole is interesting and fascinating, but it's not a true story in my book. And I think I've convinced you to agree to that as well. That's not even mostly true. So there you go. That's our episode of Mostly True Alien Stories for this week. Andrew, great job. I hope you have a wonderful day.
Android (34:10)
It's not even mostly true.
Wow.
Hey, thanks Neil, great job to you.
You too, I hope all of our listeners have a wonderful day.
Neo (34:25)
That's right, and if aliens are listening to this, we hope you have a wonderful day.
Android (34:30)
Yeah, because we don't want you to annihilate us.
Neo (34:32)
That's right, get manscaped everyone, quick. Do it.