Neal Girandola (00:00)
A California hunter vanishes into the woods on a solo trip only to end up 30 feet in a tree fighting for his
from a
from a mountain
a group of glowing eyed robotic creatures from another
what followed might be the strangest siege in UFO
is the 1964 Cisco Grove
of the most aggressive true alien reports ever filed in the U S
get into it.
Welcome to another episode of Mostly True Alien Stories.
Neal Girandola (00:45)
back to mostly true alien stories where we dive into true reports of alien encounters made in history and decide just how real they might be. I'm Neal Girandola, joined as always by the one and only Andrew Triana, who is not Italian. Hi,
Android (00:59)
Neal, how are ya?
Neal Girandola (01:00)
people think you're Italian they're not you're
are you Spanish prove
Android (01:02)
not Italian, I'm Spanish. 100 % Spanish,
is a town outside of Sevilla in
Neal Girandola (01:09)
by the way, Sevilla is my favorite place on
Android (01:12)
Really?
Neal Girandola (01:12)
Spain is where I want to end up in Sevilla.
I'll go visit your
right. Today's report is one that takes us into the dense woods of the Tahoe national
in 1964, where a solo hunter claims to have spent the night fending off robot like beings with gas glowing eyes and some seriously weird
As we do in every episode, I'm going to walk us through a full report as it was originally
Andrew and I will weigh in on whether this was a mostly true alien story or
All right, let's get into it. It's the Cisco Grove
witness in this case, his name is Donald
we can call this the Shrum Scrum, if you'd like. ⁓ Takes place in Cisco Grove, California on September 4th, 1964.
Trump is 26 years old. He's a welder and painter for aerojet general corporation at the
He embarked on a bow hunting trip in the Tahoe national forest near Cisco Grove, California with his friends, Vincent Alvarez and Tim
the hunt, Trump became separated from his companions as night
and recognizing the dangers of predators in the area. He decided to spend the night in a tree for
Around 9pm, Shrum observes a bright light in the sky, initially believing it to be a rescue
he descends from the tree and lit signal fires to attract
the light approached silently and stopped approximately 50 yards from his location, according to the
and revealing itself as an unidentified craft that approached
Alarmed Shrum.
climbs back into the tree.
Android (02:53)
that's where you go. You climb into a tree if it's a UFO, right?
Neal Girandola (02:54)
That's where you go. I'm going up. Yeah, they can't
Android (02:57)
the same level.
Neal Girandola (02:57)
here. That's
shortly thereafter, three beings approached two humanoid figures in silvery suits and a robot like entity with glowing red eyes. The robot emitted a white
rendered Shrum unconscious. And upon regaining consciousness, he defended himself by throwing burning clothing.
Android (03:17)
Huh.
Neal Girandola (03:21)
and shooting arrows, one of which struck the robot producing a
the beings they retreated but returned multiple times throughout the night and they employed similar tactics all night long at
as dawn approached the entities finally depart. Shrum was found by his friends still in the tree and barely conscious and I am imagining
Alvarez corroborated, was his hunting partner, he corroborated seeing these strange lights that night. He didn't say that he saw the aliens, but the incident was investigated by various UFO researchers, including the aerial phenomenon research organization, APRO and the mutual UFO network MUFON, but no definitive explanation.
Android (03:51)
Right, right.
Neal Girandola (04:09)
was found. that's the story. It's Donald Trump. He's alone in the woods climbing a tree to escape metallic humanoids and a red eyed robot spraying knockout gas atom. Andrew, what's your take? Did we miss anything? Is there any part of this that sounds mostly true to you? Let's get
Android (04:25)
Okay, so there's a couple things. So they went bow hunting in the national forest, and the reason why they couldn't take rifles is because you're not allowed to take a rifle into the national forest. So they went bow hunting. Now,
Neal Girandola (04:34)
Makes sense. Yeah.
Hunting season that there are certain times of season and bring a gun certain times you can bring a bow. So that's bows hunting season
Android (04:39)
It is.
Right. It's
bow season, but it's also National Forest, so you're not allowed to actually bring a firearm into it. You have to use a bow in the National Forest.
Neal Girandola (04:48)
in the national forest. Got it.
Otherwise, he
probably would have
Android (04:53)
that's what I'm gonna guess. He would have shot, I would have shot him if they're releasing this gas on me. Okay, so. Okay, we're gonna get into it.
Neal Girandola (04:58)
Well, yeah, sure. mean, okay, we'll get into it. We'll get into it because I got questions.
Android (05:03)
so here's the thing to know about him. He was not a believer of
did not believe in extraterrestrial existence. He didn't believe in UFOs. He didn't believe in any of that. Remember the years 1964, right? So sci-fi is really kind of starting to happen, right?
Neal Girandola (05:09)
Okay. Okay. Okay, Yep.
Mm-hmm.
Android (05:19)
It's really like starting to pick up and people are getting excited about it and all that, all that fun stuff. Okay.
Neal Girandola (05:19)
Mm-hmm. No. Right, right, right. We're not even into the meat of UFO encounters in the 70s. We're early. 64... Yeah, yeah. Okay.
Android (05:31)
Right, we're early, okay? So it
was quiet. He said it was quiet, unbelievably quiet. He said
the ship appeared to him, he said ⁓ the beings got out. At first they didn't. At first there was nothing. He didn't see anything, right? So you talked about him climbing down and he lit signal fires. Like how many fires did he have set
was he?
Neal Girandola (05:54)
Wait, ⁓
Android (05:58)
Okay.
Okay, okay, so.
They do.
Right.
Right.
Okay, well they all decided that they would cover a certain area themselves, okay? They were gonna go and then meet back at camp. But he
he lost sense of where he was. They were supposed to stay within shouting distance of each other and they didn't stay within shouting distance of each other so they were like, duh!
Neal Girandola (06:38)
Okay.
Which by the way, I don't know if you've ever gone forest washing. I call it, I'm not a hunter, but I love to go into dense forests and go for a walk and just, you know, taking the, the, the massiveness of a forest. You could very easily get separated and lost from someone, especially in a national forest such as that.
Android (07:00)
yeah, for sure. And
there's nothing for the echo to happen. So literally your voice just keeps going, nobody hears
Neal Girandola (07:09)
So they get, he gets separated from them. Okay. That's explainable. That's good. Okay. They lose him, but he's gone. I mean, yeah, this is a 12 hour ordeal. Yeah.
Android (07:14)
It's explainable. It's late. He's like gone from them. Yeah, yeah, he's gone. It's now
midnight, we'll
know, he's trying to find his way back. He got lost. I guess he didn't have a flashlight. He didn't have a compass.
the other guys didn't light signal fires for him to make his way back to camp.
Neal Girandola (07:29)
baby
I know, but that's
the other thing, like, he could light a fire.
Android (07:35)
maybe that would attract animals.
Neal Girandola (07:37)
Doesn't food attract them? Doesn't fire keep them away? In all the movies, the people are lighting fire to wave at the animals and they run.
Android (07:37)
fire. I don't know. Yes, well he is food.
Right.
Or he is the food and he thought smoke, fire, me, food, not good. Get up in the tree.
Neal Girandola (07:49)
Yeah, alright. We'll get
into whether Shrum was smart. I mean, did work at a... ...aerojet. Welder.
Android (07:54)
Yeah, well he was a welder. Now here's something, since you're talking
about him, he was a welder and he actually welded on cruise missiles.
Neal Girandola (08:01)
a young guy too. Let's not forget. He's 26, I
Android (08:05)
also said he was very good at his
Neal Girandola (08:07)
are artists.
Android (08:08)
they are. Yep, so he set up these signal fires right down below in case
Neal Girandola (08:08)
You have that creative mind. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
Android (08:14)
helicopter or somebody was gonna come below the tree. So the tree, the reason why he was able to climb this tree too is that it was on the side of a mountain, like on the side of this hill. So he was able to go up the hill and get up
Neal Girandola (08:15)
below the tree he's sitting in.
⁓
Android (08:25)
on the tree and then climb higher. But he could only climb so high because he said the branches that were higher were soft and he would just fall out of the tree.
Neal Girandola (08:35)
Okay, okay,
Android (08:36)
he gets up in the tree, this is the other thing he did, he takes his belt
he ties his belt around himself and the branch of the tree so if he falls asleep, he won't fall out and kill himself, right?
Neal Girandola (08:43)
So he doesn't fall if he falls asleep. That's that you know what? That's
a that's a pro hunter move right there. That's a pro
Android (08:48)
Yeah, OK, so.
Neal Girandola (08:50)
hunter move. I mean, other than the fact that he got lost.
His from his friends. Yeah, not a tracker, but that's pretty. Yeah, pretty savvy to use your belt to tie yourself up there. That's pretty good. I like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Your wife finds you out in the backyard
Android (08:54)
Right. He's not a tracker. Remember, he's not a tracker. He's a hunter.
Right, I mean, I do that all the time. I tie myself to chairs and...
Neal Girandola (09:08)
to your own tree.
Android (09:08)
tied to the clothesline.
Neal Girandola (09:11)
Look honey, I fell asleep and didn't fall. All right, go ahead. All right, so now he gets separated. but, but he, he, senses that it, listen, it might be a long night. I better protect myself till morning. There's no sense trying to find these guys late at night in the dark. I'm going to climb this tree. He sees this thing
Android (09:13)
I didn't fall. Yeah. Cool. Okay.
Neal Girandola (09:30)
he thinks it's the helicopter.
Android (09:30)
Well, he gets up in the tree,
he's there for a little bit, then he sees the spotlight. And the spotlight gets closer and closer and stops about 50 yards away, right? He comes down out of the tree, he lights the signal fires, he starts like, hey, it's me, Don, hi. Then he realizes
Neal Girandola (09:40)
Right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
Yeah.
Android (09:49)
no sound, so it's not a helicopter, it's something else. I better get back up in the tree and strap myself in, because it's gonna be a long night.
Neal Girandola (09:56)
Yeah, but I wonder why like he
I wonder if he thought no, but not not run not run but there was no immediate threat right then and there what what you see something coming.
Android (09:59)
Why he didn't run? Take a torch and run?
Neal Girandola (10:08)
can't identify it is coming from the air what made him scared about that.
Android (10:12)
So maybe it's his hunter sense,
Yeah, his instincts. I love it. He felt it. He felt it. Climbs back up in the tree. Then he starts hearing noise in the woods around him.
Neal Girandola (10:14)
instincts, his instincts. Yeah. All right. All right. So he climbs back up the tree.
Android (10:24)
then out comes
two aliens, like the trees rustling.
Neal Girandola (10:25)
What was the noise? What was the noise?
Mm-hmm.
Okay. Yeah. Okay. Now I get the picture. Yeah. Now I get the picture. Okay. Yeah. Okay. No, it's all right. I get it. I get it. Yeah. You did a great job.
Android (10:35)
Got it, you with me? Close your eyes if you can't, you can imagine that's the sound of trees rustling. I should have got some leaves or something and crushed them. Okay, good, I
hope the audience gets it, because that would be even better. They started like off.
Neal Girandola (10:49)
They probably logged out by now.
Yeah.
Okay. Yeah. So go
Android (10:55)
So
he says he sees two beings, four or five feet tall, in silver suits,
wearing goggles.
Neal Girandola (11:03)
feet
Android (11:04)
to five feet
Wearing goggles, right? And he says they're scanning. It's like they're scanning. Only sees two of them, right?
Neal Girandola (11:05)
I mean, I could kick their ass.
Android (11:14)
said, then they started making sounds to each other that sounded like an owl. Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh.
Then it was like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,
Neal Girandola (11:24)
Interesting.
Android (11:29)
oh, oh, oh,
Neal Girandola (11:27)
brought out their robot button?
Wally's up in the tree. Did the robot walk in or float in?
Android (11:45)
He didn't say whether it was like strolling or it's like hovering. Right.
Neal Girandola (11:48)
I'm imagining though, just from the, from the report. No, but from
the
I can't imagine that they were able to, they were able to
why not just fly up to the tree and just grab Shrum. All right. Go ahead. All right.
Android (12:01)
Okay, well, we're gonna get, we'll get to that. We'll get to that. Okay, so the robot
comes over,
it sees Don in the tree, it takes its hand and lowers its jaw, and this white mist comes
Neal Girandola (12:09)
Hmm.
Android (12:16)
and he, yeah, but it's enough fog stuff comes out of him to knock Don
Neal Girandola (12:17)
The robot's down at the base of the tree.
Android (12:24)
Don gets knocked out, he passes out.
Neal Girandola (12:24)
but is he- did
re-belted himself back in
Android (12:27)
Yeah, he'd already rebelled to himself. He was already rebelled to
whatever.
Neal Girandola (12:30)
Okay, this that doesn't make sense to me like you
sees these things. He sees this ship come and he quickly climbs up the tree
himself back into the tree, which isn't a great way in case he has to get away. Does not. It's not smart. All Anyway. All right. Shrum.
Android (12:38)
Right, well, it gets better.
Yeah, it's not smart. ⁓ so, okay. But he did that in
case they gassed him and he was gonna pass out and fall out of the tree, right? So he passed out. Maybe he had this hunter instinct came in. They're gonna gas me. Okay. Okay, so they, he wakes
Neal Girandola (12:50)
Yeah, but he didn't know they were gonna guess him.
Okay, go ahead. I'm speaking too soon. Go ahead.
Android (13:01)
nauseous, he looks down, he sees the two aliens and he vomits on them.
Neal Girandola (13:06)
Did he say how long he was out or did he not know how much time? It's still dark, it's still night.
Android (13:08)
Doesn't know, he has no idea of the time, still
dark and it wasn't enough time for them to get up the tree to get
it was enough time for him to vomit on them, right? So, vomits on them. Then the robot.
Neal Girandola (13:15)
and the fire was probably okay threw up on
Did he like try to aim it at them?
Android (13:24)
I don't know. He just said he woke up and he felt really nauseous and he looked down and he vomited and when he looked down he saw that the two beings were below him. That's what he said.
Neal Girandola (13:34)
God, those beans must have been like, what the fuck, Shrom?
Android (13:38)
he sees
the robot open its jaw again. He takes his
Neal Girandola (13:41)
god.
Android (13:42)
and arrow and he shoots.
Neal Girandola (13:43)
Alright,
so with the robots open in his mouth to spray him again and he quickly grabs his bow and arrow.
Android (13:46)
The spray him again, he shoots,
hits the robot right in the center of the chest, sparks fly, the robot gets knocked back. Now think about this though, at that close of distance,
60 pound bow is like shooting him with a bullet, it's like shooting him with a gun. It's that powerful,
Neal Girandola (14:00)
⁓ okay.
Android (14:03)
robot falls back.
Neal Girandola (14:03)
Did he say how
high up in the tree he is?
Android (14:06)
He was about ⁓ eight feet high enough to where they couldn't reach him. They couldn't jump up and get him.
Neal Girandola (14:11)
Only 8
Android (14:12)
Yeah,
Neal Girandola (14:14)
I mean a tall bear, a bear is 10 feet. A bear can get up to 10 feet. This guy didn't really go up high enough. Okay, go
Android (14:12)
to 10 feet, he's guessing. High enough to wear if a-
Well, then. ⁓
Neal Girandola (14:23)
he was gonna get killed by a bear eventually.
the aliens didn't show up. 8 feet. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cause Shrum's only 7 and a half feet high right now.
Android (14:25)
A venture, right, something was gonna kill him. And the aliens were like, we're gonna gas all those bears that are here. We're gonna get him, right? We're gonna get him.
Neal Girandola (14:38)
we can get them. All right, so go ahead.
Android (14:40)
So
he shoots the arrow, knocks the thing back, it gets up, it gases him again, he passes out, he wakes up again, shoots it with another arrow, right? And this keeps going on and on and
Neal Girandola (14:48)
again.
Android (14:54)
shooting the thing with arrows until he's out of arrows.
Neal Girandola (14:57)
Were the other two aliens just like, laughing? Come on, robot! Robot!
Android (14:58)
standing there, watching. No, they were going,
they were like, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh,
Neal Girandola (15:06)
Robot,
robot you got hit again by him. You suck!
Android (15:11)
Okay,
so he's out of arrows, right? But they keep coming at him.
Neal Girandola (15:15)
Yeah.
he only had four
Android (15:19)
I don't know. His quill was empty. That's all he said. He never said how many arrows he brought with him. I would have had at least 12 with me.
I think 12 isn't a quill.
Neal Girandola (15:26)
I don't know.
I don't know what there's might be a law against the amount of arrows you can bring on a hunting to there might be a rule about that. I don't know what to look that
Android (15:35)
Wow, okay, so you have 12 chances to kill something and if you miss all 12 times, you gotta go.
Neal Girandola (15:39)
Well, you because
you're supposed to go get those arrows and shoot again. Otherwise you could
what?
Android (15:45)
Well, you can only carry
so much. Think about it. You got a backpack, you got your quill of arrows, you got your bow, you got all this stuff, okay?
out of arrows
he starts
his clothes off.
And he jumps down, I guess. No, sorry. He has the fires are still burning. He has matches.
starts lighting.
Neal Girandola (16:00)
Wait a minute. Wait,
wait, he takes his clothes off?
Android (16:03)
starts taking his clothes off to throw fire at the aliens and the robot.
Neal Girandola (16:08)
This
is his next brilliant idea is
I'm only going to go seven and a half feet up in this fucking tree. Just so bears don't get me and I don't get eaten by lions and
And but aliens show up and they're four feet tall. So, okay, you're good. They the belts himself to the tree. He shoots arrows, all his arrows empties his whole fucking thing out. And then now he's like, I know what I'll do next. I'm going to take my clothes
Android (16:23)
think about it he's
and throw fire clothing at.
Neal Girandola (16:36)
light my clothes on fire. you ever tried to light your clothes on fire?
Android (16:38)
Yeah. Yeah, it's
Neal Girandola (16:40)
It's very difficult. Well, I mean, and back then it's not a lighter.
Android (16:40)
Especially wouldn't he be nervous like, you know, drinking a match and
socks are wet.
Neal Girandola (16:47)
It's not a lighter.
It's it's back that 64. He's striking a match in September in the middle of the night up in a tree.
Android (16:51)
But if he had water, he might have had waterproof
matches, which actually burn longer than a regular match.
Neal Girandola (16:57)
I mean, you're sure you can defend them all you want, but to do that and then hold your shirt and try to light it. Okay. Go ahead. So ahead. I,
Android (16:59)
Okay, okay.
Okay, so the
only thing that he had left on after lighting everything on fire, he kept thinking to himself, I've just got to make it to sunrise.
I can make it to sunrise, yeah. And that's, he started thinking about that too, okay? So they lights his clothes on fire, he throws him, he only has left on his shirt and pants, that's it,
Neal Girandola (17:13)
Yeah, you're gonna die now because it gets cold at night. And now you have no clothes.
He did. OK.
Android (17:27)
robot breathes the gas again.
Neal Girandola (17:28)
Okay.
Android (17:29)
he's breathing the gas,
Don realizes the sun is starting to come up.
He passes
when he comes to, they're gone.
Neal Girandola (17:36)
Wait,
did he pass out because of the gas?
Android (17:39)
Yeah, the gas. They gassed them again. So this gas must... First of all, this gas only lasts... It sounds like it only lasts for like 10 seconds.
Neal Girandola (17:41)
And so he passes out.
Yeah, the aliens need to work on that. robot. The robot... Yeah. The robot gas is not potent. Yeah. You're out, for a second and a half, and then you just throw up, and then it's over.
Android (17:49)
Seriously, this is like
I'm back
Well, so
they've got this robot that breathes a fog vapor.
They're four feet tall aliens that sound like owls wearing goggles, right? In silver outfits and
Neal Girandola (18:04)
Mm-hmm. Yep. Yep. Yep. Mm-hmm.
Android (18:11)
Silver outfits, they're wearing hoods and they're going, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, to each other. What fuck do you think? Okay,
friends find him in the morning.
Neal Girandola (18:20)
You know what though?
I mean, I'm obviously not making my decision yet, but you can't make this shit
Yeah. Alright. Alright, so go ahead.
Android (18:26)
No, no, I mean, it's crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy. Right. Okay. So,
after that, his friends come, they find him. It's sun is
his friends. They find him and they're like, Don, he's like, my God, you wouldn't believe what happened. And then the one friend says, yeah, I saw the lights.
Neal Girandola (18:36)
No, now his friends find him.
Ah, right. Alvarez. Alvarez is the guy that saw the light. Yeah. His other buddy did not. Cause the funny thing is, the funny thing is those two, those two didn't get lost. They were together. Shrum was off on his own. Okay. Yeah. Shrum. Well, we're getting there. All right. So go ahead. Yeah.
Android (18:45)
get home. He tells us, yeah, Alvarez. All right. So Alvarez, no, because he was walking someplace else.
Yeah.
Shroom? Did you say shrooms?
gonna say shrews. Okay,
so he gets back, he tells his wife, he tells his family, he tells his mother-in-law,
and his mother-in-law happens to know an astronomy professor at a local college. So she sets up an appointment, he goes and he talks to the guy, and the guy goes, hey man, I've got contacts with people in the Air Force. I'm gonna set up.
Neal Girandola (19:20)
Okay.
wait, so
Shrum goes to this astronomer professor who now is going to introduce him to people in the Air Force to tell them this story.
Android (19:36)
People in the Air Force, right?
The story. So
professor tells the story to the Air Force people and the Air Force people agree to meet Shrum.
they agree to meet him
this rental home that nobody lives
by itself, the house is like, in the Air Force, people say, right, meet us at 1501 Mulberry Street, okay? Don't come to the Air Force base. No, meet at this house. Right, so he goes to the house and he says, it's like a rental house. There's nothing in the house. They open the door.
Neal Girandola (19:51)
the Air Force people have arranged.
Right. Okay. Don't come to our Air Force base. Don't meet at a diner. We're going to go to this rental house in the middle of nowhere.
Android (20:12)
He comes in, there's only a table
three chairs, and there's two Air Force guys there, right?
bring out a recorder and they start asking him questions about what happened. Tell us what happened. And he's like, well, I was up in the tree and I belted myself in. He tells the whole story, right? And after a little bit of time,
Neal Girandola (20:26)
Right. I was seven and a half feet up in a tree. Yep.
Android (20:32)
interrogation goes from pleasant to hostile.
Neal Girandola (20:36)
Why?
Android (20:36)
They start going at him like, you're lying to us. This isn't true. This could not have
it was Japanese soldiers that did this to you. Maybe it was a prank by your friends.
Neal Girandola (20:47)
It's actually said your Did you just make up the Japanese soldier comment?
Android (20:50)
No, that
was a story that I read.
Neal Girandola (20:53)
Who
relayed this story? Shrum
Android (20:55)
Shrum did,
Neal Girandola (20:56)
there was, was there any confirmation that he actually met with the Air Force?
Android (20:59)
No confirmation. But what he says is that later he went back to the same area in the woods
and it had been taped off.
Neal Girandola (21:07)
Wait, wait, where he said the incident happened?
Android (21:10)
where he said
the incident
He said...
Neal Girandola (21:11)
Well, how would anybody
know where the incident is happened unless he showed them where the incident happened?
Android (21:16)
he
told them. I guess he pointed on a
See, there's a lot of holes in this story that don't make it.
Neal Girandola (21:20)
He points on a map,
but he got lost in the fucking woods, but he can find it on a
Android (21:24)
he is not because they told him where it was. When his friends found him, they're like, God, you were here. How the hell did you get here? He's like, it must have been the vapor. You know, I'm just look, I'm just trying to fill in gaps. I don't know.
Neal Girandola (21:29)
Okay. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah. No, I know. I know. And I appreciated.
just want to show there was no confirmation by anybody else that he actually met with these Air Force people that anybody go with him for this meeting. He went by himself. And so and
Android (21:41)
No. Nobody went with him. He went by himself. Yeah. So could you imagine,
would you do that? You'd come up to a house and these guys are like, hey, yeah, let's talk in this house.
No, thanks. Bye.
Neal Girandola (21:49)
I
wouldn't go by myself. I also probably would be pretty shooken up from this ordeal. So I would definitely get some help about this. Because, I mean, you had two aliens and a robot that was trying to gas you and get you down from a tree. That to me would be a lot of damage mentally.
Android (21:54)
Right, I would have brought-
Yeah. Yeah.
Right,
Neal Girandola (22:13)
I don't know. All right, so is there
Android (22:14)
Yeah. I don't think so. That happens to me
Neal Girandola (22:16)
Did he?
Android (22:17)
time.
Neal Girandola (22:18)
the two aliens and a robot. ⁓ sounds like a party, dude. ⁓ yeah, exactly.
Android (22:20)
Sounds like a joke. Two aliens and a robot walk into a bar. They ask the bartender.
Neal Girandola (22:26)
is there any, any information about him getting
Android (22:29)
⁓ No. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So ⁓ later on, he said he developed ⁓ PTSD from this whole incident and bad dreams. He started to think he was crazy, is what he said. He lost his job as a
Neal Girandola (22:30)
suffering from anything, getting hypnotized.
Okay.
Android (22:45)
he went bankrupt because nobody would hire
So it's sad. ⁓
Neal Girandola (22:48)
Nobody would
hire him but that couldn't have been from the alien incident. mean that maybe had other other issues. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Android (22:52)
No, it's probably because he's like, lighten his torch, right? My clothes!
So fast forward 14 years later He gets a
Neal Girandola (23:04)
Okay,
Android (23:06)
a TV show Yeah, yep in the 80s he gets a call from an NBC TV show and they want to talk to him
Neal Girandola (23:05)
at 8082 80 1982. Okay. Yeah.
Okay.
Android (23:16)
all he did until the mid 2000s. He started talking about the incident at events and in 2011 a book was published called.
Neal Girandola (23:26)
Well, wait a
minute. What did the TV show? The TV show was just the... But this was the thing that sparked him to go out on this talking tour about... So that's what you're saying. Okay. Yeah.
Android (23:29)
They just talked to him and he was like, yeah, I was in the woods and his aliens came.
kind of, but it really didn't because that was the 80s, right? And then
he didn't do anything again until 2000s. Then he felt like, can talk about it now. I'm old enough, I've saved enough money.
Neal Girandola (23:47)
Okay.
Mhm. Did the story
Android (23:50)
No, his story never
story never changed. He never made any money off of this too, by the way. He kept the same story for over 50 years. Somebody else wrote the book. The book was published in 2011 and it's
Neal Girandola (23:55)
Okay. Alright, did he write a book?
Android (24:03)
Aliens in the Forest.
Neal Girandola (24:04)
Wait, who was the person that wrote the
Android (24:06)
There was two authors, I didn't grab their names, but it wasn't him.
Neal Girandola (24:10)
Is Shrum still alive?
Android (24:12)
I don't know if he is or not.
a good question.
Neal Girandola (24:13)
You know, better title,
better title for that should have been... Shrum Scrum. The Shrum Alien Scrum.
Android (24:20)
No,
two aliens and a robot. That would have been a better title. Like, what was that? That show on CBS, Two Gals and a Pizza Place or something, wasn't it?
Neal Girandola (24:24)
I would have been f***ed too.
No, that's a that's a movie. That's a different movie. I don't remember that. idea. I will look. Is there anything else that were that you wanted to add that you think would make our my decision either
Android (24:33)
No, was on CBS. No, I'm serious. Okay. You might remember it as something else.
Neal Girandola (24:44)
I influence it.
Android (24:43)
Okay, so I am going to add
this. I am going to add this. Okay, so he described the robot as a typical sci-fi robot that he would have seen in a comic book or seen in a movie at that time, right? The aliens in silver suits. Very, it was a very, I mean, if we looked at it today, it would look like the iron giant is what I would imagine, just not that big, but six feet tall, right? Instead of 12 feet or 15 feet, however, 20 feet.
Neal Girandola (24:58)
Like a typical very square robot.
Yeah, yeah, okay. Okay. Yeah. So the way the robot
was six feet tall, you think? But the alien buddies were four feet. And he and he was seven and a half feet up in a tree and they couldn't get him down.
Android (25:14)
Yeah, the robot was six feet tall. Or four and five feet tall. Yeah, four or five feet tall. Yeah.
Right. OK. So the other thing, too, is that these are aliens that flew
Neal Girandola (25:26)
because of his belt.
Android (25:31)
they weren't smart enough to figure out how to get them out of that tree.
Neal Girandola (25:35)
I mean throw a rock at him
Android (25:37)
Something. Have the robot shake the
up on the hill.
Neal Girandola (25:41)
No, or just reach up and grab his leg. I mean, wasn't high.
Android (25:44)
Or stand on your shoulders. Stand up, get up on top of the robot.
Then they would have been 10 feet tall. They could have made like a...
Neal Girandola (25:52)
I'm sure they had a ladder in the
in the ship.
Android (25:55)
Why did they ask the
robot to change his shape? Robot, change shape to ladder.
Neal Girandola (26:00)
Robot, use your extended arm. Use the arm that extension. That's the wrong room. That's the old Terminator. Couldn't do that.
Android (26:03)
⁓ dang it, we didn't bring that robot with us. We brought us the C4-Tic-Teen.
get you. Gah! No, come on, man. Always Arnold. Always Arnold.
Neal Girandola (26:15)
⁓ god, Arnold here.
Alright,
so what else? What else? Anything else? Because let's, ⁓ why don't we start weighing in?
Android (26:22)
No, that's, ⁓
well, do we want to really call it knockout gas? He called it knockout gas. Was it really knockout gas?
Neal Girandola (26:29)
I think it should be
30 second sleep throw up gas. Something along those lines.
Android (26:33)
I think
this...
Neal Girandola (26:38)
Okay.
Android (26:38)
I'm surprised he didn't shit his pants.
I probably would have shit, I would have shit my pants. Think about
up in the tree, there's aliens, they're spraying you with gas, you're nauseous, you vomit, chances are you would have shit your pants too. And that's why he couldn't burn his underwear,
Neal Girandola (26:50)
You know, with that, with-
I would have thrown the shit at them because then that would have revealed the truth because if you are not if you're like the Air Force and you're not an alien you're just dressed like
and you're you're out there, you know, just trying to create this information or create, you know this
and you're really humans and you get hit with shit be like, alright, fuck this. Fuck this dude. Dude. It's us. We're great. It's us. Yeah, we're we're we're actually people. We're just
Android (27:12)
I didn't sign up for this.
gonna weigh in.
Neal Girandola (27:17)
Yeah, go ahead. Let's weigh in. What do you think? ⁓ Andrew, do you think this is a mostly true alien story or not?
Android (27:22)
I think it's not. I think he was high on frickin' shrooms. He got lost. His other friend was high on shrooms and the third friend chose not to take
somebody had to be sober. So they were responsible. One designated driver of the three.
And he gets up in the tree and he just starts losing his frickin'
The crazy thing too is that he lit the signal fires.
When he saw that the aliens, that it was like not a helicopter, he put the fires out.
Neal Girandola (27:49)
Yeah, that's dumb.
Android (27:50)
And how did he have to wear with all this set up small signifiers? What did it
S.O.S. Help. Bear. Come here.
Neal Girandola (27:57)
Yeah, I don't know. here.
you're saying it's not a mostly true alien story that Shrum was on
and Shrum had a trip. He had a bit of a trip.
Android (28:04)
Yeah, unfortunately. I
really wanted this because when I started digging into this, I was like, man, this is cool. But it's a great story. Think about it. The robot goes, why did the robot have to use his hand to open his jaw?
Neal Girandola (28:18)
Yeah, it's a weird explanation. ⁓ yeah. All right. All right. No, it's, it's 30 seconds sleep throw
Android (28:20)
I mean, why didn't he just go?
And then knock out gas, not knock out gas.
30 second sleep, vomit gas.
Neal Girandola (28:29)
right. So, you say it's not a mostly true alien
I'm going to agree with you. I think they were out there on a, they, he was, he was tripping on
just think he was high as balls. don't think this is a mostly true alien story at all. Yeah, it's great. I mean, like several
Android (28:44)
Threw up.
Neal Girandola (28:48)
and, yeah. Yeah, it's just, it's just bizarre to me. I think he was actually tripping balls at his and it was his friends and they were trying to get him down from the tree and they couldn't and
Android (28:48)
Yeah, and he was like, aw yeah, the aliens.
Neal Girandola (29:05)
Then he started unloading his arrows at him, shit like that. They probably ran away because he was losing his shit and then they came back.
Android (29:11)
and then they'd come
Neal Girandola (29:13)
Yeah. Trying to get him down again. It's okay. And he's still freaking out because yeah.
Android (29:12)
be like, hey, it's me, Todd, it's me. No, it's not,
yeah.
Neal Girandola (29:20)
I, you know what, I love this. I do love the imagination of this story. I think it's pretty fun with a robot and two aliens. don't, we, I've never heard a story of that nature before. That's the other thing.
Android (29:30)
No, no.
Neal Girandola (29:32)
this is not a mostly true alien story. You say it's not a mostly true alien story. We both agree on what actually
Did move on move on. They didn't acknowledge. Yeah, they don't believe it Yeah. So these guys didn't agree with it. All right. We made our calls.
Android (29:42)
No, they didn't agree with it. They didn't believe it.
Neal Girandola (29:49)
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Android (30:35)
Thanks buddy.
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