Neal Girandola (00:00)
A woman floats out of her 12th floor Manhattan apartment window, bathed in a beam of blue light and disappears into the night sky.
23 people claim to have witnessed it, including allegedly a UN secretary
Decades later, the story resurfaces in a Netflix
controversy and leading to a
is the tale of Lyndon Napolitano, the most famous alien abduction
never heard
Is it true?
going to get into
to another episode of Mostly True.
Alien Stories.
Neal Girandola (00:45)
Welcome back to Mostly True Alien Stories, the podcast where we lay out real reported alien encounters exactly as they were documented. And then we try to figure it out if they are mostly true or mostly just a well told story. I'm Neal Girandola and here with me as usual is my cohost, Andrew Triana. What's up,
Android (01:02)
are you, Neal?
Neal Girandola (01:03)
I'm great. I'm excited about today because we're revisiting a story we did at the beginning of this podcast, but didn't believe there was really any truth to it. So it never
Android (01:05)
Yeah.
Neal Girandola (01:13)
more revelations have surfaced since producing this show, including more witnesses. And it takes place in 1989 in Manhattan and abduction case. So dramatic. It sounds
A woman reportedly floats out of her 12th floor apartment in lower Manhattan into a hovering craft.
witnessed by over 20 people, including allegedly a high ranking UN
the case blew up in UFO circles. became the subject of a bestselling
more recently, a Netflix docu-series that stirred up enough controversy to result in a
It's one of the most debated abduction accounts ever recorded and chances are you've never heard of it. So here's how this works.
I'll walk us through the case exactly as it was reported then Andrew and I are going to break it down. We're going to weigh in and figure out where we land on the truth scale, whether it's mostly true or not. And of course
want you guys to weigh in as well. So drop any of your thoughts in the comments and don't forget to
Andrew, are you ready to get into this story?
Android (02:13)
ready to hover over Manhattan.
Neal Girandola (02:16)
love that wordplay. Wordplay is
right. This is November 30th, 1989. It's lower Manhattan, New York City and our primary witness in this story and this encounter this true report of an encounter is Linda
So in the early hours of November 30th of 1989, Linda Napolitano, a 41 year old housewife and mother of two, claimed she was abducted by extraterrestrial beings from her apartment near the Brooklyn Bridge.
described being levitated through her closed window by a blue beam of light into a reddish orange
she underwent medical examinations by gray bipedal entities.
What set the case apart was the number of alleged
UFO researcher Bud Hopkins who investigated Napolatono's claims reported that 23 individual individuals corroborated seen a woman being taken aboard a UFO that
Among these witnesses were two men identified only as Richard and Dan who claimed to be security agents escorting a high ranking political
speculated to be UN Secretary General Javier Perez de
⁓ Perez de Collar publicly denied any involvement or knowledge of the
Napolitano also presented an X-ray showing a small metallic object in her nasal cavity, which she believed was an alien
she later agreed to have it removed surgically, the object was reportedly no longer
Hopkins published witnessed the true story of the Brooklyn Bridge UFO abductions detailing the Napolitano's experience and the supporting
The case then gained significant media attention and became one of the most discussed abduction stories in ufology circles.
Now we fast forward to October of 2024.
Netflix released a three-part docu-series. It was titled the Manhattan Alien Abduction and that re-examined Napolitano's
series featured interviews with Napolitano, her son and Carol Rainey, Hopkins ex-wife and a vocal skeptic of the case.
questioned the authenticity of the hypnosis sessions conducted by Hopkins and suggested that some of the evidence, including letters from Richard and Dan,
may have been fabricated. Feeling misrepresented, Napolitano filed a lawsuit against Netflix, alleging defamation and breach of
She claimed that the documentary portrayed her as a
and that she was misled about the extent of Rainey's involvement in the series. Despite the legal action, the docu-series aired as scheduled, sparking renewed debate over the veracity of Napolitano's
story and that's why we are revisiting this as well because there's been a lot that's come from this since that docu-series came
and Napolitano has not backed down at all from her story. All right so
Android (05:04)
No, she's
not. She's saying that they're all lying and she's telling the truth.
Neal Girandola (05:10)
Yeah, which is, which is what makes this story so compelling now. At the time when we did this, I think we were both in agreement that this was,
I don't even want to air this story. You know, it was just sort of almost just a blatant made up lie. ⁓ but now that this has some compelling elements to it, ⁓ and I'm going to hand it off to you, have you start a way in. And, I know there's some details probably that, ⁓ cause I, I just read a report. So I read a report that doesn't have all the details.
Android (05:20)
Right. Right.
Right.
Neal Girandola (05:39)
So I'm gonna hand it to you, let's see what we can dig
Android (05:41)
so one of the other people featured in the Netflix docu-series was Peter Robbins. And Peter Robbins was actually Bud Hopkins'
Like, he did everything with Bob Hopkins. So Bud was like
ufologist to go to for anything. I mean, he saw so many cases for
And no, he passed, yeah, he passed in 2011 of cancer.
Neal Girandola (05:59)
He's no longer alive, right? So that's why
And that's why his wife was a part of this whole interview process and she was, she's kind of the one who was leading the way of saying this is a lie.
Android (06:10)
Right. Right.
Yeah, Carol, just to give you a little bit of history, she was a
and she actually videoed all of the sessions that he would have with all these other people that had claimed to have been
Neal Girandola (06:27)
in the room filming
She's hearing this stuff first time.
Android (06:28)
she's in the room filming them and then
she she met Linda. ⁓ She liked
one thing that I found really fascinating that she said she was
Neal Girandola (06:37)
I mean, what's not to like about Linda? You know what I mean? She's, you know, yeah, right. She was floated out of her apartment into an alien spaceship. There's nothing not to like.
Android (06:40)
Yeah, she's like, yeah, you're typical housewife. ⁓ Yeah, what's not to like about that? ⁓
Right. And Carol said that she felt like Linda was
born to do this,
how she described it. Yeah.
Neal Girandola (06:56)
so
meaning like, but but that's more like saying she's a showman. Okay.
Android (07:01)
Yeah, she said
that she took naturally to the
took naturally to the crowd. She loved all the attention.
Neal Girandola (07:07)
It's like you and me.
Android (07:08)
maybe. We take to the camera, right? Sometimes people don't want to see us on camera, but we do take to the
Neal Girandola (07:08)
We like to, we take to the camera.
Android (07:15)
So.
Neal Girandola (07:15)
is interesting.
didn't know this, that's what she said about her. That's interesting. Okay.
Android (07:19)
Yeah,
yeah, was was I think that
Neal Girandola (07:22)
So she's
really knocking her credibility down by saying something like that.
Android (07:25)
She's
and she's knocking her ex-husband's credibility as well. I mean this docu-series if you watch it, I mean it really punches Bud Hopkins in the face like several times. It's really kind of sad, but I don't know if it was a bitter divorce. I don't know any of that. I couldn't find really anything on that.
Neal Girandola (07:28)
Yeah, right.
Yeah.
Do you know if Carol
had anything to do with the production of the Netflix
Android (07:49)
I don't think she was she she was only supposed to be in one episode and she ended up being in in all three episodes now that could have been by
but she was.
Neal Girandola (07:57)
Right, well she sounds
like she's the controversial element to the whole docu-scr- Yeah.
Android (08:01)
she is. She
is. And what was wild was what they did was they they videoed
talking about Linda and then they showed Linda that footage of what she said. So those if you get a chance to watch the docu series is pretty wild because the reactions that they both have towards each
Neal Girandola (08:11)
Huh? ⁓
Android (08:18)
a lot of animosity there. They there is not a lot to like from either side.
Neal Girandola (08:24)
So probably friendly at first and then I wonder when that fell apart after bud died
Android (08:26)
yeah, they were friendly at first. Yeah. Well, it started.
No, no, no. It fell apart before
What happened was the more that Carol videoed Linda, the more she started feeling like this is all just made up bullshit, right?
Neal Girandola (08:40)
Hmm. Well, she didn't
have any, any, you know, bedroom talk with Bud to say, Hey, what do you think about this? Cause Bud stood by it to the end,
Android (08:47)
She did, but right, well,
he was obsessed with it and he so wanted it to be real. He really wanted it to be real. It's a cool story. He was like, you know, and this was the first time he ever had 23 witnesses to an abduction. mean, most of the time it's just one person, right? And then you see them in their hypnosis and they're like, oh God, he's coming for me again. He's putting it, right? So it's like, what the?
Neal Girandola (08:54)
Yeah, well, it's a cool story.
Cool story.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Right. Right. Right.
Do you?
Right. Do you know though how all the witnesses came together? I mean, how did how do they get aggregated?
Android (09:23)
Okay, so.
That's where the problem starts. He never met any of these witnesses.
Neal Girandola (09:27)
Okay.
Android (09:31)
were several times he tried to call the witness and they'd be like, she's in the shower. And he's like, well, can I call back in 30 minutes? And they'd be like, sure, call back in 30 minutes. And then he'd call back. Just calls, yuck, and then random letters that he was getting. One was from a New York Post.
Neal Girandola (09:36)
Hmm.
So it's calls and letters and things like that, right?
Android (09:49)
⁓ delivery driver said that he saw the whole thing. He saw a woman floating in the sky and then saw her get taken up into a red hole that was in these clouds, right?
that's...
Neal Girandola (10:02)
that was from that delivery driver,
how did he get his man he called and left a message or he sent a letter. Okay.
Android (10:06)
He called and left a message. Yeah, he called
and left a message. So a lot of these were just messages. so
no real names. Talking 89, right, so there was answering machines, right? There was beepers. was no, there were, well, there were cell phones, but you'd have to be super wealthy to own one, right. Right, so
Neal Girandola (10:13)
Well, you're talking 89, 89.
Yeah, wasn't cell phone and yeah, beepers.
Well, right, right, right. They were pretty big too. were like this.
Android (10:28)
the, one of the articles that I found was this was interesting. It said,
two guys. ⁓ are parapsychologist George P.
with Joseph J. Stefano and Richard D.
were critical of Hopkins for not verifying the close relationship between the housewife, right? And the witnesses, he didn't verify whether she knew them. She says she didn't know them. And they also said that they they didn't know her either, right? So the independence of the
hosage 23 witnesses to the phenomenon, right? Among the testimonies that Hopkins had accepted as valid was that of a woman
said she had not been able to see clearly because of the
the morning when which the weather conditions, there was no
then another lady was excusing herself because she said she would always leave her curtains open at night for fear of closing
So these don't sound like people that are like together.
I I lived in the city. There's, you know, two million people on top of each other, a lot of crazies.
Neal Girandola (11:27)
What was?
Right.
Android (11:32)
just doesn't make
Neal Girandola (11:32)
But but was
there any information that you found that they went back and looked at other of Bud Hopkins? ⁓ Inter investigations ⁓ on other on other UFO experiences was he was he like this? Did he did he not vet?
Android (11:44)
Yeah, yeah.
No, according to Carol and Peter Robbins, he became obsessed with Linda's story. Like, he said, this is it, this is it, we've got it, we've got it, we've got it, right?
Neal Girandola (12:02)
Maybe
he had a thing for Linda. Was she attractive?
Android (12:05)
She was attractive then.
she's 77 now, so it's okay.
Neal Girandola (12:09)
Yeah.
Android (12:10)
But yeah, she was an attractive woman.
she
this, like, well. So, after... This is where it gets crazy, is that even after the whole thing happened,
went on talk show circuits. I mean, she was getting a lot of press. She was on Oprah. She was on Ricky Lake.
Neal Girandola (12:29)
She was going with Bud on this tour, right? With Bud, yeah, yeah, yeah. Was Carol there with them on these?
Android (12:29)
She was on Geraldo? Yes, yeah, yeah. she was,
other thing Carol said too, that the story kept elaborating, like kept adding on. And it felt like to me, with everything that I've read and watching it, it was like the story kind of just died down a little bit. And when it died down, that's when Richard and Dan.
The two officials came. Right.
Neal Girandola (12:52)
came out so they yeah they
were they were riding bringing witnesses out and in different elements yeah
Android (12:56)
Right. That was 1991.
This happened in 89 and then in 91. Oh my God, here's Richard and Dan and shit.
Neal Girandola (13:03)
But but it
it's such a ⁓ it's such a bold sort of elaborate scheme to come up with witnesses that are two guys that are personal protection for a UN Secretary General. So like to be very specific about that, you know what I mean is very that to me is odd. did that come about?
Android (13:22)
Okay, so.
Okay, so these two guys came to her house, she
to Linda's apartment. Apparently her husband was never
was abducted, she was,
Neal Girandola (13:31)
he wasn't even sleeping with
Android (13:33)
no, the night that she was taken out the window, he wasn't there. He wasn't in that room with her, so he didn't witness anything, right? Yeah, she had two sons. The one son is not talking, the other son, Johnny, doesn't really want to talk about
Neal Girandola (13:33)
at the time. Yeah.
Right. And she had kids too, right? So no one, no one witnessed it. Yeah.
Android (13:48)
he did.
She gets abducted, right? anyway, Peter and Dan, I mean, Richard and Dan come to their apartment, knock on the door. She lets them in. They were like police officers, right? And they showed her badges.
came into the apartment and they were costing her like, you need to stop talking about this. You need to stop telling people about what you
Neal Girandola (14:07)
would they go there and switch because she did wasn't mentioning this UN General Secretary yet, right? The UN Secretary? Yeah, but but why? Why did they call attention to
Android (14:12)
No, they didn't want her talking about the abduction anymore. That's what she said.
Neal Girandola (14:18)
know, by letting her know that they they had, you know, they they had something to do with
Android (14:18)
That was it.
Neal Girandola (14:23)
But why would they do that?
Android (14:23)
they told her, saw
it, we saw it too. So why would that matter?
Neal Girandola (14:26)
But why would he
go? Why would they go tell her that and then tell her to stop talking about it? don't understand the sequence of events here
my, my, my point here is why did the, why did Perez de Kular come into play at all?
Android (14:40)
of Richard and
said that they ran security for him. So that's what doesn't make any sense in this whole thing is like, she's never come out to say, ⁓ while I was floating, I looked down and I saw a car underneath the FDR. She never said that. So why would these guys even care?
Neal Girandola (14:41)
Yeah,
Understood.
That's what I mean. If Richard Yeah, yeah. But if rich.
That's what I mean. Why would Richard and Dan go to her apartment? And how would they know which apartment to go to? And how would they know it's her? How would they know? Why would they go there and call attention to them being a part of this whole encounter? You know what I mean? Why would that be the case that drag this, you know, day color into it? Did she know?
Android (15:18)
She started telling Bud that she thought she was being followed.
she felt like people were watching her, is what she said.
Neal Girandola (15:26)
Right. But do you see my point? Like if she were to make this story
Android (15:28)
Yeah.
Neal Girandola (15:30)
gonna come up with these guys, these two dudes, and she can name them rich and Dan. And then she's gonna go, okay, more, let me make it even better. Why don't I attach them as security guards to this, this US Secretary General? You know what I mean? Let's do that and make it really credible. But like, how would she how would she know to do that is my point, like there, I don't understand how that fabrication came to me.
Android (15:49)
Okay, well, Bud Hopkins
went looking for Richard and
went to every police station in New York
he did research about Javier
to find out who his security was. Couldn't find
Neal Girandola (16:02)
I
Android (16:03)
I don't know why she would make this up. It doesn't make freaking sense to me.
Neal Girandola (16:03)
I understand. No, I understand. I understand all that.
I'm just wondering, let's just put it in Richard and Dan's hands right now. Let's just say it's true. Let's just say they witnessed it. You were there. Let's say they were under the bridge. They're down there. They're
would they go to her and tell her to stop talking about
didn't know Javier Perez de color from Adam. She didn't even know he was in part of the picture of this story.
Android (16:21)
Nope. Nope. Nope.
But if you're selling government cover-up, sure, you'd make it
Neal Girandola (16:26)
Why would they go to her? That's my question.
Android (16:31)
None of it makes sense. But dude, it adds to a great story.
Neal Girandola (16:33)
that
it really does. But there's two sides to this
if she concocted that whole thing happening, she had to have known the inner workings and know this guy, day, Kolar, just to make it
order to attach it. She thought that would be really romance this it would really bring a drama to it. This story, right? On the other
Android (16:51)
Well, right.
Neal Girandola (16:54)
would they call attention to themselves by going to this to her to say something when she didn't know about them?
Android (16:59)
Why would the FBI be bugging her
apartment?
Neal Girandola (17:05)
You're talking 89, right? So in 89 people were, it's a big deal, The government, UFOs and aliens.
Android (17:11)
She went as far
as telling Bud that she thought she was being followed. She thought her apartment was bugged. So he had a guy that was a bug expert go to her apartment and scan it, and even scan his apartment because she convinced him that he was being bugged
Neal Girandola (17:25)
Mm-hmm.
Maybe they had a little love affair going
Android (17:33)
might have.
too. If they were in a car underneath the FDR, first of all, what were they doing under
Neal Girandola (17:36)
you
Android (17:40)
were two security guards and the secretary of the UN underneath the FDR? What were they doing?
Neal Girandola (17:46)
Well,
let's back up because Perez, have, yeah, I hung out there a lot. out there a lot. yeah, Javier Perez, ⁓ DeCullar, he's denied all of this, right? So, and...
Android (17:49)
And have you ever been under the FDR? You can't see anything!
Back in the day.
Yeah, well, well, a letter
was sent to Bud from Javier.
saying that
he saw it.
letters from Richard and Dan and the letters from all of the other people that wrote
all were.
Neal Girandola (18:16)
Wait, the letter
is from Richard and Dan, it's not from Kular.
Android (18:19)
No, there was a letter from Kolar that was signed by Javier Kolar.
Neal Girandola (18:23)
had
the emblem seal on it as a UN Secretary General?
Android (18:25)
They didn't
say that, it just came in an envelope, right? Everything was typed or handwritten. Most of them were typed but signed.
Neal Girandola (18:31)
Newspaper cut
out words.
Android (18:33)
if you saw me under the bridge.
Carol. No, wait, wait, wait. Carol. Go ahead.
Neal Girandola (18:36)
I just don't. So here's the thing. If we wait, wait, wait, I'm just,
I'm still hyper focused on this. The Richard Dan coulard combination. If that was a lie, my point is if she made that up, that's it's, it's fantastical. Like, why would that, how would you bring that into it? Like, what are you thinking? That's why I lean
Android (18:55)
yeah.
Neal Girandola (19:00)
almost, and I'm not weighing in my decision yet.
But I lean towards who makes how do you make that up? You can't make that up. You can't make that
Why would you make that
Android (19:08)
You can make that
agents came to my apartment and they don't want me to stop talking about the alien abduction. Their names were
know, come on.
Neal Girandola (19:15)
No,
Android (19:19)
Like, why do that? Why pick this specific person?
when
I was living in New York City, I would hear about the Secretary of the UN all the time.
Neal Girandola (19:27)
Yeah, but how could you make that bold statement and a lie to say that he was under the bridge? And I know that they told me, you know what I mean? How would you, how would you know where the fuck he would be? Cause he probably has an itinerary. He's a busy guy.
Android (19:37)
Well, the other,
know, Linda didn't remember this too. I don't know if you're aware of this or not. Linda did not reach out to Bud right away.
a bit of time that went by, enough time for her to read his books and to get an understanding of who he was.
mentioned those guys earlier, right? Hanson and Hopkins and Stefano, right? ⁓ Richard Butler, Joseph Stefano and George Hanson,
when they dug into this themselves,
found as many as 16 parallels
Linda's
and the Garfield Reeves Stevens 1989 science fiction novel, Night Eyes.
Neal Girandola (20:18)
Really?
Android (20:19)
also, here's another little tidbit for Linda. She also said that she could see the
said her grandmother was gifted with the same thing, so she would see spirits and ghosts, but later she found out that those spirits and ghosts were not spirits and ghosts, they were aliens.
not only did Richard and Dan come to her apartment, right, and threaten her basically,
They also abducted
Neal Girandola (20:41)
This is her report.
Android (20:42)
This is her report. She said that they, she was wired.
then all of a sudden she's like, no, no, stop, get the hell away from me. ⁓ She's in the car and you hear them like, hey. Yeah. She has it recorded. like, Hey, you better keep your mouth shut. Half breed. They were calling her half breed. They were telling her that she was half alien, half human.
Neal Girandola (20:51)
So she has that recorded.
Was that in the
Eyes book?
Android (21:05)
Yeah,
yeah. The other thing too that Bud, Bud felt, and this is across, before Linda and everything, he felt that the aliens were out to do no
were out to harm us. And that's why they were taking eggs from people and they were trying to create a hybrid. That's what Bud believed.
Neal Girandola (21:19)
This is what Bud says.
Android (21:22)
⁓
Neal Girandola (21:22)
I Bud
got, I think Bud went down a rabbit hole.
was probably so taken by all of these interviews and stories with other people and encounters that he just, you get locked up into it.
Android (21:26)
no.
This was, yeah,
well, this was interesting too for the recordings when she was abducted that she had herself recorded on the abductions, right? She said,
not evidence. That's proof
they came after
Neal Girandola (21:44)
Mm.
Android (21:45)
after the whole Richard Dan thing, this is my favorite line of all. When they took her.
Neal Girandola (21:50)
The Richard Dan thing when they took her? Yeah.
Android (21:53)
And
they're telling her, they're calling her a half-breed and they're telling her to keep her mouth shut and stop talking about the abduction and all this stuff.
Bud received a letter from Richard and
the letter ended
keep in touch. Thanks,
Richard and Dan.
to.
Neal Girandola (22:07)
think
if you were conspiring, you're making this up, if Linda's making this up and ⁓ she is the author of these
you wouldn't sign it Richard and Dan. I think you'd put something else. If it was a true story, if these guys really existed, they wouldn't put Richard and Dan
Android (22:20)
Right! Right!
took the letters, right, that were all signed, even the one from Javier
a handwriting specialist.
the handwriting specialist took the samples of all the signatures, saw the way they made the letter H, saw the way they made the letter J, the, right? Compared them all,
Neal Girandola (22:39)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Android (22:41)
they were all written by the same person. She didn't say it was
Neal Girandola (22:45)
Okay.
Android (22:46)
she said they were all signed by the same person because they were too perfect.
were too exact. Nobody signs their signature the same way twice.
Neal Girandola (22:56)
What if Bud's in on it? Maybe Bud was the co-conspirator.
Android (22:59)
That was the other thing
and that's why Carol wanted to dig in on this. She's like, this can't be my husband. He can't be. He's been doing this his whole life. Why all of a sudden would he doing this? It could be they had some sort of romantic thing. Maybe he was infatuated with
husband didn't go on tour with her
Neal Girandola (23:13)
none of the witnesses.
Android (23:17)
Right.
Neal Girandola (23:16)
right. Where's he? So none
of none of the witnesses were disclosed, right? They were not none of them. None of them. We never saw one.
Android (23:21)
No!
Neal Girandola (23:24)
only heard tell here say, yeah.
Android (23:25)
no, you only heard. Bud
never personally met any of these people. He either spoke to them on the phone, received a tape recording, or got a letter.
Now, the kid, because after all this went down, Linda then went back to Bud and said, they came after my
took my boy, Linda. Linda said this. She took pictures, ⁓ Polaroid pictures of them with nosebleeds. They all had nosebleeds, right? Yeah, yeah, because remember, she said that they had stuck a thing up in her nose.
Neal Girandola (23:45)
Wait, who said this? Who said this? Okay.
What?
Android (24:02)
and they implanted that thing.
Neal Girandola (24:02)
Right. Wait,
she's saying the aliens came after her kids?
Android (24:07)
Yeah, yeah. And then Bud was like, yeah, this is a common thing because they're interested in bloodlines.
this story gets crazier and crazier and that's what Carol's problem was. She went back and reviewed all the videotapes of all the people that he had hypnotized before and she compared the way that Linda was hypnotized and the way that all the other people were hypnotized. And she's like, she wasn't
Neal Girandola (24:29)
there any more compelling info we need to talk about? Because
I want to dive in this. I think we're.
Android (24:35)
Well, here's
the thing too, is that her son, Johnny, who actually appears on the documentary for like two minutes, right? He said that he's in his 30s, I think, 30s or 40s. He lives in Manhattan still. He wanted to remain anonymous. He's like, please make sure that my face is not on the thing. And I'm like, dude, they know your name. They know your name is Johnny. I mean, come on. So.
Neal Girandola (24:42)
Yeah. How old is he now? 40. Yeah, 30. Yeah,
Right. Yeah. Napolitano.
Android (25:00)
He said that when he was six years old, this is prior to the alien probing up his nose,
said when he was six years old, he had a horrible nightmare.
Neal Girandola (25:09)
Wait, that's how old he was when the aliens came six.
Android (25:11)
No, he
was like 12. He was 12 when the aliens came.
Neal Girandola (25:14)
Okay.
Android (25:15)
this was when he was six. And this is gonna lead into where I'm going next with this.
was six years old, he had a
he went and told his mom about the nightmare. And she
probably wasn't a nightmare, baby, it was real.
now he started thinking that every time he had a fricking nightmare, that it wasn't just a dream, it was.
Neal Girandola (25:34)
So wait, this is his first hand account? He's telling that story? Okay.
Android (25:36)
Yes,
believes.
she couldn't have made this up, being abducted. He believes that.
Neal Girandola (25:43)
He's the youngest of her
Android (25:45)
the oldest.
Neal Girandola (25:45)
he's the oldest.
Android (25:45)
The youngest is not.
Yeah, he's the oldest kid. The other kid was younger.
they listen to the recording of him, because after he got abducted, Bud talked to Johnny on the phone, right? And he's like, yeah, they were here and they...
They took me.
Neal Girandola (26:02)
Yeah, she's telling him what to say.
Android (26:05)
story sounded made
right?
Neal Girandola (26:07)
And Bud's recording all this.
Android (26:09)
recording it over the phone,
Neal Girandola (26:11)
Hmm
Android (26:12)
then Linda went down to Bud's the next either later that night or the next day and went under went hypnosis to talk about what she experienced. That three grays were in her apartment. They took her son. There was nothing she could do. She was frozen in fear and she just kept thinking.
My son hates me because he doesn't think I'm fighting for him.
it just gets deeper and deeper and deeper.
Also, the book witnessed, the book that Bud wrote, half of it is made up of copies of these letters from Richard and Dan. Apparently Richard and Dan were just great writers because they wrote them all the
Neal Girandola (26:38)
Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
Android (26:50)
another thing. When Linda was abducted,
by Richard and Dan when they took her in the car. She had a gun on
Neal Girandola (26:55)
Yeah. Yeah.
Android (26:56)
said she borrowed a gun from a friend
she kept it in her purse. And they took her and she threatened them with the gun and they let her
Richard and Dan. Yeah. Right.
Neal Girandola (27:06)
personal protection guys who watch over the UN General Secretary they don't have weapons
Android (27:11)
Right. And they couldn't fight her off, fight her back. Come on.
Neal Girandola (27:14)
make it
right. All right.
Android (27:16)
It just, dude,
it doesn't make any sense to me. None of it makes sense to me.
Neal Girandola (27:20)
are you ready to weigh in? Because I'm ready. I'm ready to go. don't you... Do you think this is a mostly true alien story or
Android (27:23)
I'm
Absolutely
Neal Girandola (27:27)
Still, after we revisited this with all the...
Android (27:27)
think this woman has, even after we revisited
and the new stuff that I found, especially this is compelling against the book, dude. I mean, this just makes me think that Bud Hopkins was in on this as well, or maybe he got so caught up in
he got so caught up in this and wanting it to be true so badly, he overlooked a lot of the facts,
got hung up in the story.
And he overlooked the facts. The facts tell
why would these guys randomly come to her house if they were hiding under the bridge doing whatever, blow or whatever they were doing underneath the three way or whatever they were having underneath the FDR. Who cares? Nobody saw
why all of a sudden would they appear at Linda's
are the handwriting experts saying this is written by the same person? And why was not one witness interviewed in person?
by Bud Hopkins.
Neal Girandola (28:20)
So you're saying it's not a mostly true alien story.
Android (28:22)
And how
did she float? Through the door, through the glass.
Neal Girandola (28:25)
Well, aliens can get you through. They can get you through a lot of stuff. Yeah, aliens, man. Listen, I'm not I'm not questioning the how the aliens got them through the window. That's not my question. aliens can do whatever they aliens are off the hook here. They can do they can do anything aliens. In my opinion. All right. So we can't question that because
Android (28:27)
so she vibrated at such a high speed like the flash and went through the wall.
Okay. ⁓
Neal Girandola (28:45)
they're they're just so advanced. They're able to get you through windows and float you to their ships.
Android (28:49)
Can they tap dance?
Do aliens tap dance?
Neal Girandola (28:51)
They can dance,
they can sing, they can float you. They can do it
All right. So you're saying it's not a mostly true alien story. Let me weigh in
Android (28:57)
now.
Neal Girandola (28:58)
I remember when we first visited this, I believe that this was a mostly true
as we're revisiting this, the one thing that's
troubles me or makes me still lean towards this is a mostly true alien story and I'm not that's not my final decision is the the whole Dan and
and Richard and Dan and and
Android (29:17)
Richard and Dan.
Neal Girandola (29:21)
under the
to me is such a fantastical story that how do you make that up? And why would you drag these characters
that's, that's the, that's the one aspect to this where I'm still, I'm, I'm stuck a little bit.
fact that Carol Rainey, Bud Hopkins
turned on
leads me to
I think Bud was infatuated with Linda.
Android (29:44)
yeah, he was. He became obsessed with the case.
Neal Girandola (29:45)
I think I think yeah,
but I think more than that. I think the two of them were having I think they had a love affair and I think that's never come out. I think that was this was a this was a sexual
think they did go into cahoots. I think that the two of them worked together to really make this story something,
Bud kept it from Carol because he, he was in love with
I'm not going to give bud the benefit of the
fact that 23 witnesses and he didn't meet one of them, he only got letters and phone
Bud was in on this. This is not a mostly true alien story. And I'm really disappointed in this
I think Bud worked his whole life to build up credibility and then he gets caught up in this he is infatuation with Linda
Android (30:24)
All the money, And
Neal Girandola (30:27)
This is a story of money and sex and aliens, bro. This is exactly what this is.
Android (30:27)
And I think, yeah. Yeah.
Is that abduction seduction?
Neal Girandola (30:33)
It's abduction seduction right here. We witnessed it firsthand. This is not true. This is not a mostly true alien story. I'm kind of pissed off by it
Android (30:39)
I think I.
Right, I think you're right, because I think Carol found out.
and she's just not going to say that because she doesn't want to admit that her husband banged this housewife from
Neal Girandola (30:50)
Bud's not a dumb guy. Bud's a smart guy. Bud got to where Bud is by buddy got caught up in this love, sex and alien and money story.
Android (30:52)
No, he's a smart dude.
Neal Girandola (30:59)
All right. That's the full case on the Linda Napolitano the abduction, the x-ray, the alleged U.N. witness and a docu-series that started all back up decades
Andrew says it's not a mostly true alien story. I agree with
this was aliens, sex and money. This is what this was all about. And I hate to say that kind of pisses me off as a cool
are you processing this? Okay, Andrew, are you, you're good. You're all right.
Android (31:24)
Yeah, I
am. I'm in shock. Would you say it to Linda? If Linda was on the show, would you say it's all made up?
Neal Girandola (31:30)
I would call her out. Yeah. I mean, listen, listeners, you heard it here first. This is what happened. This was a love affair and they were in on it in Cougs. mean, Bud's not a dumb guy. You got to vet your witnesses. If they weren't coming forward, you didn't meet anybody and talk to anybody. it's obvious, but we know what was going on.
Android (31:46)
Right,
Neal Girandola (31:47)
and I have weighed in and as always, we're leaving some space for mystery. We want you guys to now weigh in. Was this a mostly true alien story? Do you agree with my assessment of this being a love affair? or, is it a modern myth?
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Andrew, say goodbye to the aliens.
Android (32:33)
Bye Ali-