Neal (00:00)
12 Americans step onto an alien planet to never come back, two choose not to, and the other eight supposedly lived out their lives under a veil of silence somewhere back on Earth. They say it started after Roswell, they say it ended in 1978, and they say it all happened on a planet called Serpo. This might be the most ambitious alien exchange program ever imagined, or the most elaborate hoax in UFO lore. Let's unpack the mystery of Project Serpo along with our guest, Jason Rhodes from Hallucination Hippies on TikTok.
Does he believe? We're gonna find out. Let's get into it. Welcome to another episode of Mostly True Alien Stories.
Andrew (00:44)
should go pulling back.
Neal (00:53)
Welcome back to mostly true alien stories where we dissect one true reported alien encounter. try to make sense of what's real, what's rumored and what might just be disinformation with great production value. I'm Neal Girandola I'm a long time believer in all things alien, along with my cohost, Andrew Triana here to politely side. I every story I tell. Hi, Andrew. Good morning. How are you?
Andrew (01:17)
Hi Neal.
Neal (01:19)
I'm good, buddy. I'm excited. Cause today's true report isn't just about a sighting. It's a full blown galactic exchange program. 12 American military volunteers allegedly transported to a planet in the Zeta reticuli system to live among an alien race called the Evans. It's got spacecrafts. We got any matter love stories. There's some loss in here and a 3000 page debrief. We've actually never seen
And to help us break it all down, we're joined by someone whose research dives deep into the intersections of UFOs, consciousness, government secrecy, and the bizarre truths hiding in plain sight. He's the voice and face behind the hallucination hippies, tick-tock channel, blending curiosity, skepticism, and sharp analysis for a growing community of all of these UFO trees truth seekers out there. He's launching his own long form podcast very soon too. But today
He's bringing his insights to us. So welcome to mostly true alien stories. Mr. Jason Rhodes. What's up brother.
Hey, so happy, so happy to have you here, man. I just love everything you do on your, your Tik TOK channel. And I've been, I've been dropping in on your YouTube channel too, waiting and waiting for some episodes to start going. I can't wait, man. And I'll tell you first off though, before we get into all of that, I have to ask you what's your take on extraterrestrial life on other planets. I mean, I think I know what you're going to say, but do you believe and what's your take on
Jason Rhodes (02:54)
I do believe. ⁓ think I know shocker. know. You know, when you can hold your thumb up to the night sky and cover, I think it's five billion galaxies or something like that. It's, know, there's no way that there's not something else out there. So I do believe, yes.
Neal (03:13)
It's interesting because we get that response a lot, but I think too, your approach to talking about aliens and encounters and things like that, you do what we try to do as well. We try to take it from a normal perspective.
Jason Rhodes (03:28)
Yeah,
I personally have never been abducted. Why? have. Yeah, I know, believe it or not.
Andrew (03:35)
a prerequisite for the show.
Jason Rhodes (03:37)
Well, all right. Well, it's great talking to you guys. got to go. So I wish, but I get well, I think maybe, maybe not. But no, there, you know, there have been a couple of instances where I have seen something that was very strange, where I couldn't quite understand what what it was. Was that something anomalous, you know, non-human intelligence wise? I don't know. But.
Andrew (03:40)
Bye.
Neal (03:40)
So.
Jason Rhodes (04:06)
You know what really turned me on in the beginning was my father had an experience ⁓ in his 20s and that's what really turned me on as a teenager when he.
Neal (04:16)
Where
did that, where was that? Where did it happen? Where is he from?
Jason Rhodes (04:20)
this was in the South. This was in, ⁓ Louisiana, I believe he is where it had happened. And he was, he was, you know, the cliche story, but he was with a few people in a van, going down the road at night, ⁓ and, and saw these orbs, two of them that made their way over the road ahead of them and kind of hovered for a little bit and they're, they're, coming approaching. They stop and.
you know, trying to figure out what's going on with what they're seeing. And of course they kind of zip over and he had said that there's a forest area and they kind of zipped over the forest area and then just and we're gone. And, you know, he was, he was sure of what they saw. ⁓ And, you know, as soon he told me about that experience, it hooked me. So that was, that was years ago, but that's what got me.
Andrew (04:57)
f*** yeah.
Neal (05:15)
What's the story behind hallucination hippies? Like how, how did you begin that? When did you start that tick tock channel? mean, you have a, like, I think almost 200,000 followers on there now close and, ⁓ people love that conversation. Again, I'll say it again. I love the way you present your, you know, your encounters, your stories, the things that you tell us. It's very freaking cool. And I get why you have so many followers. ⁓
But what's the story behind that? Why hallucination hippies? What's the name? that? Yeah. Tell me about that.
Jason Rhodes (05:46)
It's
kind of a tongue in cheek thing. I originally started the channel. was not quite two years ago, I guess, but ⁓ just to post, you know, just to kind of post and have fun with it. ⁓ there was never, I never had a plan to kind of come on and start talking about or anything. It was just kind of sharing and posting things that were kind of cool and interesting in the subject. As far as the name goes, ⁓
It's like I said, it's kind of a cheeky thing, ⁓ you know, reality isn't quite what we think it is. And that's just personal opinion. ⁓ You know, there are, there is a lot to still learn, of course, but, you know, we're all just hippies in this hallucination of reality.
Neal (06:34)
What was the moment you realized, my God, there's an audience out here that is hungry to hear my perspective?
Jason Rhodes (06:42)
started posting and just kind of sharing stuff and you know reposting things in the very beginning and ⁓ I felt like when I Started talking I kind of started doing these stories ⁓ Instead of just sharing or posting a an orb, you know video or something. Yeah comes along ⁓ I started kind of talking through some of the stories, you know much like you guys do and and and it's really interesting stuff, you know because
There are so many stories and so many, you know, whether it's an abduction, whether it's just, yeah, I mean, there's so many things out there that are floating around and, you know, granted, the topic has definitely become a little more mainstream ⁓ now. are still the percentage of people that actually really know or have heard even a fraction of these stories or what's out there or anything about it is so small.
So I realized that there are so many people that don't know anything. Even the Roswell story, you think everyone's heard that ad nauseum, but there are people that have never heard it. They're like, well, tell me about it. What is it? So it was that point.
Neal (07:51)
What's your take? Do you think we're being fed a narrative? Because this is the longest running story is the alien stuff. It's the longest running story, I think in history. And for me, I don't know now in today's government, whether disclosure is disclosure for disclosure purposes.
Jason Rhodes (08:08)
Disclosure, I think that the idea that we're going to be presented with this, you know, presentation by the government that gives us all the answers that we're looking for and that whole idea, I think, is definitely not going to happen. I think that there is absolutely, there's a lot of garbage that's, you know, purposely put into the mix, but there is some truth in there. You know, there's enough over the years just
just the amount of time and the amount of data that's been compiled and the amount of credible witnesses and cases and testimonies, interviews, whistleblowers, all this stuff, know, there's something to it. But I think the way that the government would prefer it is ⁓ to have a lot of trash with some of the truth. And that's how, you know, the disinformation kind of works best when you mix the two together.
Neal (09:06)
What is the reason for them to say, ⁓ let's just create this whole aura around this whole conversation? What is the purpose?
Jason Rhodes (09:16)
Man, the million dollar question. I think that that's multifaceted because, and you know, as, as the years go by and people who have been interested in this topic can contest that, you know, as new information comes in, opinions can change, you know, I mean, yes. And I think that that's part of this whole process is being open to all that I'm at heart. I'm in, you know, I'm a open minded skeptic. So
That's kind how I approach things. And so I'm open minded when things roll in or information comes out or new proof or whatever you want to call it. ⁓
Neal (09:55)
I think, I think that's a better position to be in the open-minded skeptic. I am not an open-minded skeptic. I'm open-minded. I'm hoping I'm so hopeful that, all of this is true. And sometimes that's bad, but that's why I have Andrew. Cause Andrew doesn't believe in anything. Nothing, nothing. Santa Claus, tooth fairy, aliens.
Andrew (10:12)
Santa
yes for sure 100 % Santa Claus is right. Tooth Fairy no way.
Jason Rhodes (10:12)
Wait, what?
Neal (10:18)
No.
Jason Rhodes (10:18)
It just can't be. ⁓ So I think that there's different reasons for this closure being withheld, at least from the government perspective. I do think that there is a power and control element to it. ⁓ I do think that there is a technology element to it for sure, especially when you've got these private companies involved as well.
Neal (10:43)
To that point, like Lockheed Martin, right? So now all of sudden all the talk is that the Tic Tac, the big deal that we went through, you know, whatever, two years ago, three years ago, that is now, you know, it's our technology made by Lockheed. If that is the truth, I think it's careless to do that to the American people or to the world itself, to create technology like that and then make us believe that it's something else. And, you know, I don't know why that would be the case.
Jason Rhodes (11:12)
Yeah. Part of my thoughts behind that at a certain point was that we may possess technology that we don't yet understand. And what I would imagine being in the government position, if I were, ⁓ when you've got foreign adversaries that would love to have certain technologies as well, ⁓ if you do have it, but you don't understand it, you might not want them to know that.
So you might want to keep that kind of, you know, a mystery, so to speak. And, and, but, you know, if, if they've cracked certain aspects of it, like let's say the, Tic Tac propulsion aspect, which I do think that we have cracked definitely certain things. mean, when you have people like Townsend Brown and all these guys from, back in the day who, you know, have worked out all these anti-gravitic
propulsion ⁓ solutions and allegedly, of course. ⁓ You know, I think we're way beyond then way beyond in that sense than ⁓ what we know. But ⁓ maybe they have cracked certain aspects and I do think that there are many, probably the majority of things that people see probably aren't actually NHI. You know, they probably are being tested or.
They are ⁓ some sort of technology that we've cracked.
Neal (12:41)
Do you think that though that propulsion system or Tic Tac, the way that Tic Tac moves or the category of this technology, do you think that that is ⁓ reverse engineered from alien tech?
Jason Rhodes (12:54)
That's a tough one. ⁓ When we're talking about ⁓
Neal (13:00)
I say this only because I say this, Jason, only because why keep, I understand you're saying that we keep it a secret or we keep it, you know, ⁓ a shroud behind a shroud because we don't want ⁓ foreign adversaries to be aware of it. Let's, let's eliminate that for a minute. Would they, would they keep it a secret because maybe it is alien tech that they've reverse engineered. What if that, I mean, now we're getting a little woo woo, but you know, I don't know. ⁓
Jason Rhodes (13:28)
I
agree with you. think that there is an element to, you again, it's, it's, you never want to show all your cards, right? And whatever aspect it is, especially when you're, you know, it's geopolitically driven and everything. So I think that there's again, a lot of factors to it, but I do think that that would be one, I completely agree with you because, ⁓ you know, if you do have that and, and, you know, you're able to understand it in certain aspects.
They probably don't want anyone else knowing that they do have it. ⁓
Neal (14:02)
There's definitely a shift going on, I think, in our energy and our timelines, if you will. I mean, this gets a little ⁓ weird, but you talk about that as well. You've mentioned things like that. The sense of the collective awareness and all of that going on. What does it feel like to you? Are we in the middle of something?
Something big, is it the conversation is just shifting or are we actually going through something personally?
Jason Rhodes (14:34)
You know, I think that there is, people are a lot more, I mean, it's a, yeah, awake, I guess is, you know, that kind of the word that gets thrown around a lot. But I do think that people are becoming more and more awake in different ways. And I think that, you know, the more that we understand ⁓ physics, even though there hasn't been
you know, many of these major breakthroughs, there are breakthroughs that have been happening as far as things like, you know, entanglement and all these really kind of woo-woo at one point concepts. And as we're understanding these more and more, think, you know, think we're understanding it, ⁓ I think that that has awoken a lot of people to different things that perhaps they weren't really thinking about at a certain point.
You know, you got a lot of people talking about the Schumann resonance, know, the kind of the heartbeat of the earth. Yeah. And, you know, and there's a lot of stuff that was hippie at one point in time, ⁓ isn't, you know, it's, it's not that, ⁓ you know, the Woodstock hippie kind of, thing anymore. I mean, it's a new age, you know, ⁓ mindset. So I think a lot of people have, kind of adopted that in different ways. Right. And so when we're mixing all that together and with.
Neal (15:27)
all over yeah
Jason Rhodes (15:51)
this whole topic that's really a lot more prevalent in the conversation, I think that there is a shift. Is it some sort of fifth dimension shift that lot of
Neal (16:01)
People
talk about it and we're mentioning it.
Jason Rhodes (16:04)
I don't know about that, but I do think that there is, you know, some sort of a shift happening in a certain way, just perhaps just as an evolutionary step, you know, as far as our species goes or something. But ⁓ with this phenomenon, you know, as we're learning more or trying to learn more, ⁓ you know, I think that there's a lot of things that are kind of connected in ways that perhaps we didn't think were connected, you know.
And that gets into the interdimensional aspect of the whole thing. And, and, ⁓ maybe, know, maybe it's not just a spaceship from Zeta reticuli, you know, it might be a lot, a lot deeper than that. So I think that that is kind of waking up.
Neal (16:48)
the Anunnaki are returning by the way. They're soon. Right? What's the, what's the story? 2027 is there, they're coming to save us. What, what is, can you lay into that for me a little bit?
Jason Rhodes (16:52)
Is it today?
Maybe we should try calling Bush-er- Bush-ar?
Andrew (17:08)
the
Neal (17:08)
Let's get Bashar, he'll tell us.
Jason Rhodes (17:12)
Yeah, there's a lot of talk of the Anunnaki stuff. I don't buy it. ⁓ No, I personally don't think that the Anunnaki are showing up in a mothership in a couple of years to save humanity. I personally don't think so.
Andrew (17:25)
Actually, 16th, they're going to be here. I just got the text from them.
Neal (17:32)
He's on a text chain with them.
Jason Rhodes (17:35)
Do they use iMessage?
Andrew (17:37)
⁓ Yeah, well actually it comes through my watch that's it doesn't go to my phone only to my watch
Jason Rhodes (17:44)
They must be into wearables.
Neal (17:47)
They love wearables. The whole story about the Anunnaki. So the Anunnaki, and you have to, you know more about this than I do, but the Anunnaki made us apparently, right? To be slaves to mine gold. And the gold was used for, what was the gold used for?
Jason Rhodes (18:06)
know what they used it for. I allegedly it was something that they didn't have and it was highly valuable and usable, you know, as far as a resource.
Neal (18:18)
I'm with you on this again. I love the whole idea of it. I love the whole idea. I mean, I mean, can't, I hope there is a day that the, the, the three of us are able to meet an alien and you know, really just get, get the download on that. I got to ask you, what is your favorite news story of today? Now that you are diving into that you think has some validity. Can't say the boogas fear because that's, that's the end of that one.
So you gotta, what's the, what is a story that you're looking into now that you think is pretty cool?
Jason Rhodes (18:56)
Well, ⁓
Neal (18:59)
Take your time. Take your time.
Jason Rhodes (19:00)
But we only have until July 16th, so we.
Neal (19:02)
We gotta hurry, we got six days.
Andrew (19:05)
Actually,
they just sent a text. They said, please hurry and give your answer. ⁓
Neal (19:11)
Andrew,
if you only have six days, dude, you better go lose your virginity quick.
Andrew (19:21)
I gotta move out of mom's basement first. I'm gonna find a nice woman. That's what I'm gonna do.
Jason Rhodes (19:24)
Okay.
As long as mommy approves.
Neal (19:31)
Yeah. Why didn't I do this earlier?
Andrew (19:33)
should have done it three days sooner! ⁓
Neal (19:38)
What story do you have, You got one you're working on or you're looking into or that you've done that you really love?
Jason Rhodes (19:44)
Yeah, I, ⁓ well, I've been digging it. I don't want to, I don't want to give it away too much. Not that it's any big, you know, major, ⁓ breaking, you know, moment, but for my first podcast, that's actually what I've been doing is kind of sifting through and going, that might be cool. That might be cool. and I'm, I'm working on something that kind of links together. ⁓ some, some of the key moments in, the
in the topic. ⁓ You know, some of the some of the stories that seem to carry a little more ⁓ weight than others and kind of linking things together. But ⁓ one of those being the aerial phenomena, the moment of when the school children in ⁓ in Zimbabwe, the aerial school, had their encounter and that one just that one's I've looped back to because that one just is
really fascinating.
Neal (20:45)
We did an episode on that on our pie. You should go back. one of our earlier ones, but we, we, talked about that and got into it. And it is one of, it is one of our favorite topics because it was such a massive siting with kids, ⁓ teachers there to make it more credible. The investigations that went on. I really liked that one a lot. Can't wait to see what your take is on, that story. That's going to be really cool. When are you going to launch? When are you launching the podcasts? When are you going to start?
Jason Rhodes (21:14)
will
Neal (21:15)
people want people are going to be, I'm telling you, you're going to have like that. They're going to love you. It's going to happen.
Jason Rhodes (21:19)
They're beating down the door, I'm sure, but.
Thank you. appreciate it. No. And in fact, what really kind of ended up pushing me further was, was I have gotten, ⁓ you know, messages just on the TikTok channels of people asking about that, you know, more long form work on a deep dive stuff. And ⁓ so I finally, you know, kicking the idea around, but I don't know if it's, it's so saturated. Everybody's got, you know, the whole thing you'd kind of work up in your mind if it's worth it or not.
Neal (21:51)
You
have to keep in mind the, the, the way you speak about it. Right. And that's what we always say. Well, we have a different technique, right? We dissect an encounter. We talk about an encounter and we determine whether it's mostly true or not. Yeah, it's great. But, from a normal perspective, that's the key. There's not, there's not many people out there talking about this, having this conversation from a normal perspective. I honestly, I honestly can't wait for you.
to get your podcast. I say the same thing whenever I watch your videos. I'm like, that's so good. So good. It's good.
Jason Rhodes (22:22)
Thank you.
Andrew (22:22)
I got one question. got a question. Neal, take your headphones off. I just have a private question. If you're looking for co-host for your podcast, right here.
Neal (22:33)
Well, you were fired anyway, after this episode. So that's fine. Yeah. Before we get into the featured story where I can't wait to get into this story, a project Serpo, and I'm sure you can either. And I can't wait to see your perspective on this, but first we're going to do a quick segment with you because I love this. It's called mostly true or not. Right? So I'm going to ask you a series of rapid fire questions, not many, just three. And you have to tell us whether you think the subject at hand is mostly true or not. All right.
Andrew (22:36)
I don't
Neal (23:00)
This will get us warmed up going into the project Serpo thing. So here we go. Is the Boogasphere real alien tech or not? Mostly true or not? You agree?
Andrew (23:10)
Not.
Jason Rhodes (23:13)
Again, just personal opinion from an outsider view who hasn't laid hands on it or gotten access to the real data. if they're holding on to some stuff that's really compelling, I hope it's real. I mean, that would be really incredible. just what I've seen, just, there's a gut feeling to me that just doesn't sit right. I've done a video kind of stating my opinion and there's a lot of people that didn't like that opinion.
Neal (23:40)
It's almost like blasphemy when you disagree about an alien topic, you know, it's really funny in that whole world. We just recorded a deep dive, a very deep dive into the boogasphere, all the connections, the money trail, the people, the reasons why and all of this stuff. But I can't wait for that to go out because that's going to be very cool. What we were showing the connections and all of this stuff. It's pretty interesting. I don't want to reveal anything that we've come out with, but it's going to be very cool. So I can't wait. All right.
Next, I don't know if you can answer it mostly true or not, but you're to have to pick one here on this one of the whistleblowers, not just government people, let's say, let's list these guys, Jeremy Corbell, David Grosch, Luis Elizondo, and Dr. Steven Greer of those guys. Who's most credible. I'd lean the same way. He hasn't done anything yet or said anything or shown anything yet, or, or been involved with anything yet that has made me go, ⁓ yeah.
Jason Rhodes (24:24)
vote crush.
Andrew (24:34)
He didn't show selfies with himself with the aliens. This is blobby. This is blobby.
Neal (24:40)
You hate, you hate Greer.
Jason Rhodes (24:43)
Greer is polarizing. he, you know, it's, either people are team Greer or, or not.
Andrew (24:49)
The main
problem with Greer is he keeps telling us stuff is coming and then nothing comes.
Neal (24:53)
Knowing the history of him and the background and really linking together all of the stories he's been involved in and then finding out how he funds all of this is very interesting. He's become a brand in a sense, you know, and I think the pressure of continuing to stay in the conversation is as important. So they start off with that whole idea of I'm doing something good here. We're going to reveal that the government's been hiding secrets.
if I'm not getting in a bite, then all of a sudden then you become, you know, you're lifted up into the popularity of this conversation. And then if you don't have enough material coming out, then the pressure gets on you. Then you got to start doing these things. And that's what I think is happening with a lot of these guys, Louisa Elizondo, Greer, you know, they're, they're just, what else do we have? Let's get on Reddit. Let's see what we can find. You know, it's, it's those kinds of things. don't know.
Andrew (25:42)
Where's
the movie? Age of Disclosure, where is it? Why haven't we seen it yet? Why has it been put in the theaters? Well, it's all bullshit,
Neal (25:51)
You are not wrong. All right. Let me do this last one. You're not wrong. You're not wrong. You're not wrong. All right. CERN is detecting beings coming in and out of portals, trying to change time, mostly true alien story or not.
Jason Rhodes (26:02)
think that they have probably detected something that they weren't expecting to happen or detect. You know, that that one's boy, that's a hard one to answer. ⁓ Because I want to to part of it. I agree with Yes, to the whole degree of, you know, them trying to come through portals and all these things. I don't know. But I do think that there's there are probably some discoveries that they weren't expecting. Because, you know, there's so much that we don't understand yet with
parallel dimensions and alternate realities and entanglement and all these things that are, you know, tied together that we don't quite fully understand. And when you manipulate, you know, energy frequencies to certain degrees, things happen. yeah, think that they probably, something did happen. To what degree? Don't know.
Neal (26:54)
Yeah, I think CERN is definitely on to something that we'll, we'll never know about, or we will by accident at some point.
Andrew (27:02)
I had
one comment. Did no one watch Stranger Things? And the problem with opening portals? I mean, seriously, I feel like I'm living on the craziest planet ever. No one has seen Terminator, so AI is perfect. No one saw Stranger Things, so let's open portals.
Jason Rhodes (27:18)
Yeah, it just never seems to really work out, does it?
Andrew (27:20)
Yeah!
Just leave it alone. If you're listening, please just leave everything alone. Stop messing with it.
Neal (27:27)
I don't think you're wrong. I think what's going to happen. We're all begging for these aliens to show up. You know, I've talked about this before. We back in the day in the seventies, we were afraid of it today. We're all hopeful of it and they're going to show up and they're going be like, we're here. Now we're going to eat you. And this is it. All right. Now that we've cracked open some of the deeper truths and theories surrounding disclosure timelines and tech with our hallucination hippie, Jason Rhodes. I am so glad you're here, dude. It's time to shoot beers and dive into today's
featured story. If you're new here, here's how the show works. We will explore a real reported alien encounter or claim. We're going to break down what happened that Andrew Jason and I will weigh in. We're going to fill in some gaps. We're going to determine whether this is a mostly true alien story or not. with that, Jason, Andrew, you guys ready to dive in? Yes, let's do it.
All let's get into it. Today's story might just be one of the most elaborate and mind-bending tales in all of UFO conversations. It's a classified exchange program, a hidden alien world and 12 brazed souls who supposedly stepped onto a spacecraft in 1965 and didn't return for 13 years. This is the mystery of project Serpo. The story of project Serpo begins as so many do in the New Mexico desert.
Roswell 1947 a craft crashes the US military responds quickly collecting wreckage and according to the legend retrieving several alien bodies. Most were reportedly dead on arrival but one survived. He's kept alive in secret custody at Los Alamos monitored around the clock. They called him EB1 short for extraterrestrial biological entity one. And over time EB1
began to communicate and eventually to speak basic English because he couldn't speak English until then. He told them he came from a distant planet in the Zeta Riticuli star system, a place, his species, the Ebens called Serpo before he died in 1952. He reportedly left behind information, coordinates, language basics, even instructions on how to reach his home world. That info sat buried in classified files until
1964. That's when the story really takes a turn. A secret meeting was arranged at Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico, according to reports and alien craft actually landed there. And us officials, including representatives from the defense intelligence agency and the national reconnaissance office met with beings from SERPO. What followed was a historic agreement and inter planetary exchange program.
12 American military volunteers, 10 men and two women were selected. They underwent intense training, supposedly through channels within the Pentagon and top secret intelligence sectors. And in July, 1965, they boarded an alien spacecraft powered by any matter propulsion and they left earth behind. And 10 months later, they arrived on Serpo. It's a world that is orbiting a binary star system. That's only 39 light years away.
Their mission was supposed to last 10 years. They ended up staying 13. And what they found there, according to this report was unlike anything they had prepared for. It was a harsh climate, 107 degrees Fahrenheit on average, a strange and deeply structured, even society, a gravity, nearly double earths and rising exposure to radiation, which allegedly caused health issues for some.
Now two died within the first few years. Two others reportedly chose to stay behind having grown attached to the life ⁓ and beans of Serpo and eight returned to earth in 1978. They were quarantined until 1984, then debriefed over thousands of hours into what became a 3000 page classified report. And then they disappeared into quiet obscurity. Officially they died.
by the early 2000s, everybody that was involved. The public first heard whispers of Project Serpo in 2005 when a series of anonymous emails began circulating through ufology forums. They were traced back to a retired government insider known only as anonymous. And then soon the story was being championed by Richard Doty. He's a former special agent with the air force office of special investigations, a FOSI, a man already infamous for his role in alleged
in disinformation campaigns, despite widespread coverage in UFO circles, mainstream outlets said they found no verifiable proof that this ever happened. Investigators at the rational Wiki and other skeptical forums have since dismissed Serpo as an elaborate hoax, but it's still talked about. So this could be something that is even a psychological operation and meant to mislead truth seekers. That has been the talk.
That is our report. That is our story. I'm now going to hand it over to you too, Jason, Andrew. You guys can weigh in, fill in some gaps for me. And then let's dive into whether we think this is a mostly true alien story or not. What'd miss? I miss anything.
Andrew (32:55)
Yeah, you missed a lot. You missed a lot. Who was the head of this project or that was the leader of the team was a gentleman by the name of Colonel McKeever. McKeever was a former, well he's dead now so we can say former, Air Force officer. He had no family, he had no friends apparently.
Neal (33:13)
It's like you, it's like you, no friends.
Andrew (33:16)
the Anunnaki are not pleased with your comments about me just letting you know. All right. So they told McKeever that ⁓ he was going to have a delicious dish called sheep dipped, which means when they take you and they get rid of everything, all your records, IRS, your social security number, everything.
Neal (33:20)
Ha ha ha ha ha.
They sheep dip McKeever.
Andrew (33:38)
Everybody
else who's part of this project, right? They're gonna they're gonna just like you never existed. He was told that this was a top secret mission. Only 60 people knew what was happening and then he told anybody he would be tried for treason.
Neal (33:54)
Do you know who he's talking to McKeever? You know who he's dealing with.
Andrew (33:59)
No, none of that's ever, ever exposed. He said the first thing that they did was they put him in a room where he watched a black and white film that said first contact 1947. So the first alien crash was actually not in Roswell. It was actually in Corona, New Mexico. The first crash, all the aliens died. Everybody died. All six, because apparently it takes six of these aliens to run their ship.
Neal (34:24)
So wait a minute, what do they have to do with EB1 though if they all died?
Andrew (34:27)
Because
EB1 did not come until 1949, two years later. EB1 crashed, five of their people died, five of the EBENs, which is funny because all this conversation with EB, he never said that we're EBENs. That's just the name we gave them. They never, I guess they never asked him, so what do you call yourselves? So that's funny, okay.
Neal (34:31)
And they crashed and they
Well,
they define the evens as small brown skinned humanoids and tall, four feet tall.
Andrew (34:55)
Yeah, about four feet. So then the
second part of the film that they watched was 1949, two years later.
Neal (35:05)
That was Rocky. Rocky II.
Andrew (35:07)
actually rocky six they had already had already written this
Neal (35:12)
He's an alien. Sylvester Stallone's an alien.
Andrew (35:15)
Yes.
So this was from another crash. that's where he's he meets ⁓ Eby. He sees Eby one for the first time. Right. So they took him to ⁓ Los Alamos and he died in 1952. Very sad for Eby. But he couldn't speak. He spoke through tones and hand gestures. And he learned to speak ⁓ broken English. No, because we can't go.
Neal (35:36)
and then he learns English.
Because we didn't want to learn his language.
Andrew (35:44)
⁓ you did.
Neal (35:46)
Right. Right.
Andrew (35:48)
Right? That's too much for us to do. So from the crash from his ship, he said that there's a communication device on that ship that he wants to get so that he can communicate with ⁓ his with Serpo. We'll call it Serpo.
Neal (36:01)
planet.
Andrew (36:10)
Advanced and anarchy it's all I'm say. Okay, so he said that the they asked him So why did you crash and he said it was apparently our radar our radar disrupted their ships And that's what caused them to crash now Let's think about that really these high-tech guys that are traveling through warm holes to get here and our radar throws them off It's something they never
Neal (36:32)
are
you weighing in? are you weighing in already? ⁓
Andrew (36:34)
I'm
just saying, I think Eby's not telling the whole truth. That's what I, that's what I, he, he, shot. I think.
Jason Rhodes (36:39)
I'm not.
Neal (36:40)
travel all this way to lie to us. didn't want to
admit he's a bad driver.
Andrew (36:47)
Right. He was drinking and doing drugs. Crash. Right. OK. So they got the device right. And they fixed it. He was able to repair it. And he said that ⁓ that's when he tells him for the first time that the planet his planet Serpo is in the Zeta reticuli system. Right. Which we know is like thirty nine to forty light years away. And that they used wormholes to travel back and forth between Serpo and the U.S.
And they've been coming here for like 2000 years, he said. They've been traveling to the planet for over 2000 years. He said also that they communicate through their wormholes, but he was unable to communicate with his people.
Neal (37:30)
I want some compelling information. Let's go get to the compelling information so I
Andrew (37:35)
Secret
right they called it project Serpo, but that wasn't the real name. The actual name was called project crystal night compelling Compelling. All right, so through the communications, right they decided that they were gonna create this program So Serpos wanted their guys back. They wanted their bodies back
Neal (37:55)
planet wanted the aliens.
Andrew (37:58)
So
they can bury them or
Neal (38:00)
they're
going to come up with this exchange program where they're going to bring the dead bodies to survey. Yeah. But they're going to bring, we're going to bring our 12 volunteers up to their point too.
Andrew (38:04)
Yeah.
and they had to go through extensive training for a year.
Neal (38:11)
I would imagine they'd have to go through training.
Andrew (38:13)
This training is terrible. Okay. Each guy was put in a seven foot by five foot box and buried seven feet in the ground.
Neal (38:23)
Why? Why? How does that simulate travel to Serpo?
Andrew (38:26)
Wait, I gotta tell you why. And they were just given food and water, okay, and an air hole. Because on the space travel, it's gonna be seclusion and isolation. They were probably gonna be put into separate rooms for themselves. So they decided that in order for you to understand that isolation, we gotta bury you in a box in the ground for five days.
Neal (38:47)
Why? We
didn't have to bury him. Just put him in a small room or a box. Why bury them?
Andrew (38:51)
No, it's better to bury. Yeah,
put them in a room with their shit and piss smell and and and Kentucky Fried Chicken and wings.
Reporting for duty,
Neal (39:06)
I'm no one died during that.
Andrew (39:08)
The Evans returned and they landed at Hallamans Air Force Base in New Mexico in 1964. They took their friends.
Neal (39:17)
They took all the deceased aliens.
Andrew (39:19)
Dead
guys, yeah. They shook hands and they said, all right, we're gonna make this great intergalactic program. And they left one Eben back here with us to teach us technology. And the Eben said they would never reveal their technology, all our technology to us because we couldn't handle
Neal (39:34)
I don't think the aliens had it all figured out. I just don't. I mean, just, share it.
Andrew (39:38)
They get the ship here and they decide that all 12 guys are gonna go on board and they were gonna take equipment, right? We're gonna take guns and grenades and 10 motorcycles and two Jeeps and... Right, because Evans apparently... Love. We will do this deal with you for 10 Harley-Davidson's and two Jeeps. Done! Shake hands and then the three hands.
Neal (39:50)
Sure, we gotta get around.
Jason Rhodes (39:54)
release.
Neal (40:03)
They were, they were taking weapons as well.
Andrew (40:06)
Yeah, we took weapons. don't know why. 12 guys against a planet full of Ebens That makes a lot of sense. But as soon as they got on the ship and they started flying, the humans got sick. All of them? Everybody. Everybody.
Neal (40:09)
I mean
So off they go.
It was just because wormhole travel.
Andrew (40:25)
Yeah, McKeever said that every time they went through the wormhole, he would black out. And then when he would come to, would be nauseous.
Neal (40:32)
Wait, McKeever went, I thought McKeever just headed up the group. He went as well. He was on the shot.
Andrew (40:37)
He's the 12th guy. Okay. Yeah, so they had just to let you know they had pilots they had linguistics guys They had McKeever and then they had like security guys, so I'm gonna guess is like special forces or something that they took
Jason Rhodes (40:51)
may
have had a doctor as well.
Neal (40:53)
They
had a couple doctors.
Andrew (40:54)
Yeah,
yeah, they had a couple doctors. Yep, as they're flying they get sick, right? But the evens give them this white drink and a cookie and when they ate and drank it, they weren't nauseous anymore.
Neal (41:04)
What was the white drink? Did they say what it tasted like? Just serve them white Russians and ride in Harley's.
Jason Rhodes (41:07)
Russian.
Andrew (41:09)
Yeah.
Jason Rhodes (41:12)
So
Andrew (41:13)
Here's something that I found interesting with some of the documents that were leaked. None of the people except for McKeever had a name in the teams. So in the team they all
Neal (41:22)
would
imagine they would keep that secret.
Andrew (41:25)
numbers while they're flying there they're getting close and ⁓ McKeever says hey let's gather everybody together and they gather everybody together and one guy is missing and it is 308.
Neal (41:36)
Wait, they gathered them together on the ship.
Andrew (41:38)
on
the ship and 308's nowhere to be found. So they're like, where's 308? And they're like, 308 is dead. So 899 says they killed him. Let's get it.
Neal (41:49)
Why would they think they got killed?
Andrew (41:51)
because they had to wait 10 months to do it. I, I, it just doesn't make any freaking sense to me. This, this is where I'm like, the story was.
Neal (42:02)
Give me the facts. Give me some more compelling stuff.
Andrew (42:05)
754 was a doctor, so they allowed them to examine 308 and he said, he had an embolism. He died of an embolism. And they weren't being calmed. Everybody was calmed down by EB2. EB2 was apparently a female even. I heard she was hot. She wore dressed differently. She wore like lingerie. She was tramp.
Neal (42:24)
maybe two got around.
Once you go EB two.
Andrew (42:28)
That's
Jason Rhodes (42:30)
It's all over.
Neal (42:31)
It's all over.
Andrew (42:32)
They arrive on Serpo, they get settled in and everybody's feeling...
Neal (42:37)
39 light years away is a But it took them how long to get there? 10 months. That's still long. 10 months travel in space through wormholes.
Andrew (42:40)
Far. Farther than I can.
So ⁓ McKeever asks, can we get 308's body ⁓ to bury it? We want to bury it here on Serpo. That's the least that we can do, right? And they said, no, you can't have his body.
Neal (42:58)
Were they were gonna bury him on Serpo?
Andrew (43:00)
Yeah, they were just going to bury. What are they going to keep him there for for 12 years? He'd be like.
Neal (43:05)
I would have ejected him into space, maybe.
Andrew (43:07)
I would have given like a Vikings funeral, but they did
Neal (43:09)
The
Ebens
Andrew (43:12)
There
there he's at the medical facility and they're doing experiments on him. So now 899 he's all fired up again. He wants to go to war with the evens So there was a doctor even that said yeah, come with me. I'm gonna take you to where we do we're using him We're gonna do medical experiments and we're gonna clone it
Neal (43:31)
Wait, so this doctor's inviting them over to see what they're going to, and they're going to clone him. They're going to call him. That's why they wanted to keep
Andrew (43:36)
Yeah, that's what it's about. They drained his body of all his blood and took out all his organs and they stress that it's a great honor and even culture, it's a great honor to have your body donated to science. McKeever describes when he gets in medical facility, there's large tubes in this one facility, large tubes and in the tubes are strange looking bodies.
Neal (44:00)
Like glass, like glass two. ⁓
Andrew (44:01)
I imagine
that they're glass because they're see-through, So the first tube he describes is a guy looking like a porcupine.
Neal (44:08)
So he a collection of creatures. They had a collection of creatures in there. ⁓
Andrew (44:11)
they
made. These were all biologically engineered by the events. The second body, the second tube had a body in there that had red skin with black eyes and had no arms and no legs.
Neal (44:23)
They called him Bob.
Andrew (44:25)
He describes the smell as like really pungent and like almost burning to his nose.
Neal (44:30)
see, it's these kinds of details that are very interesting to me. You know, they're just hearing this and then, you know, they got these creatures and the smell and all of this stuff. It's very interesting to me that that makes it where the story goes. Well, okay. I mean, you can't make this up. I mean, you can, but it's pretty detailed. Do they say anything about why they were cloning or was there
Andrew (44:50)
It's honor to be part of the science program.
Neal (44:53)
I mean, that's not, that's not, that's not why you clone. It's not for great honor. It's for something else.
Andrew (44:58)
So then Dr. Eben takes them to what they call the growing room. And in the growing room, there were creatures, but he said they looked drunk. were like, they were on medication. They were like just hibernating. Two of them had dog heads. They were humans with dog heads. And then the other one looked like an Eben, right? But it looked kind of like 308, but it looked more Eben-like than 308 looked.
Neal (45:26)
you I'm sorry, but getting buried in the ground in a box that was seven feet by five feet, does not prepare me for this. And I don't care how brave you are going through wormholes to get there and traveling with aliens to another planet. That's pretty brave. But then once they get off and I see all of this, I'm just like, how do where's the next buzz back to planet earth?
Andrew (45:48)
Now here's some fun even facts. Evens are vegetarian.
Neal (45:51)
Do you have anything else to add to this story that would make us decide either way, whether this is mostly true or not? Cause I'd like to hand it off to Jason and get his take on it.
Andrew (46:01)
I got you right here. 2005, we're going to fast forward to 2005, right? When that started being leaked by request anonymous. Where the emails that were being given to all of the UFO folks letting them know that SERPO had happened, right? Well, they linked that back to our buddy, Richard Doty, who talked about spreading a UFO disinformation, right? But it turns out that Doty said that even the disinformation, even though it was
Neal (46:19)
Yeah
Andrew (46:29)
was portrayed as lies, it was actual truth. Through getting in touch with Richard Doty and finding out that he was the guy leaking everything, it exposed the team of five that they call the team of five, which is Richard Doty, Victor Martinez, Christopher Green, Harold Pontiff, and Bill Ryan. And all of these guys happened to work for the CIA or military intelligence sometime in their career. And there was a British intelligence guy by the name of Chapman that came out later.
And Chapman said that the original story of Serpo was actually created by Alice Bearly Sheldon, who had a pen name of James Tiptree Jr. And she worked for the military. She had actually ⁓ was one of the highest officers that women could get to the highest rank. She was a major in our in the military, and she later worked for the CIA. And the whole reasoning why supposedly she wrote Project Serpo
was to ⁓ scare the Russians.
Neal (47:30)
So they're saying she made it up just to scare the Russians.
Andrew (47:32)
Yeah, to make the Russians think that, my God, they have alien tech. They have alien tech. And, you know, don't mess with them because they're in cahoots with the aliens because the Russians were spreading propaganda and rumor that they had Soviet agents in the U.S. that could set off nuclear weapons here.
Neal (47:49)
And so they, so they thought, they thought it was another brilliant plan after burying their, these people in the ground to get them ready for wormhole travel that they're going to come up. They're going to, they're going to come up with this alien idea that'll scare the Russians.
Andrew (48:06)
Yeah. And what happened was the story of Serpo was leaked apparently early on. And at first it freaked the Russians out. were like, ⁓ they have alien technology. We must not mess with them. And then they started changing the story to where it's like, they are vegetarians. So just saying. Zeta reticuli, right? You remember that ⁓ Betty and Barney Hill?
Neal (48:31)
for our listeners, the Betty and Barney Hill was one of the first reported alien abductions. And she drew a star map that the aliens had shown her and it included Zeta reticuli.
Andrew (48:36)
burger
Right, there was a photograph that was leaked. The photograph showed the two suns, right? But it would be impossible to do that because Zeta Reticuli is a wide binary star system, right? So the stars are actually light years apart. So the chances of them being seen at the same time in the sky, none.
Neal (49:00)
All right. I see where you're leaning. I see where you're going. I like all these details. It's pretty interesting. ⁓ Jason, I'm going to hand it off to you. Is there anything that, that Andrew missed and fill it in? And if not, let's, let's hear your take on this story and whether you think this is a mostly true alien story or not.
Jason Rhodes (49:17)
It
is quite a story. There is a lot to it and a lot to dissect, but I don't know anything that, ⁓ that might've been missed. That would be worth adding. I think it's, yeah, you guys covered it fantastically, but this is one of those things where there's enough to it to, to perk your ears and go, well, maybe, okay, maybe, but then there are aspects to it where you go, right. Okay. You know, and, so.
getting into my take on it. ⁓ I have to say, you know, when the name Richard Doty comes up, that's an immediate kind ⁓ of, we all know, he's, he's got quite a ⁓ storied past and in this phenomenon.
Neal (50:04)
Was he brought into this story to bring in disinformation to distract from the truth of this story?
Jason Rhodes (50:13)
Right. that's where you have to, and especially with this topic even today, you have to consider both possibilities because there is, and I think that there are very good, well-intended people today that might be fed stuff on purpose, you know, to purposely kind of dilute the pool of truth. With Doty, ⁓ that's an interesting angle saying, well, it's actually all true.
But I'm saying it, you know, say it said it was lies because I wanted you to think it was lies was actually the truth. It's quite a twist. Right. I mean, you know, there's a possibility. There is one thing that I did here. And if you guys know more about this, this please jump in. But I believe that there were some some folks that were kind of scratching their head at it and traced down a few email addresses that Dodie, I guess, allegedly created.
Andrew (50:49)
Yeah.
Neal (50:49)
Right.
Jason Rhodes (51:09)
but all of the email addresses, they were able to actually pinpoint the IP address and it all kind of led back to.
Neal (51:16)
to one guy. Yeah. But again, that could be part of the whole disinformation. mean, they're going to find
Andrew (51:22)
But Dodie went on to say that he knew that if he wanted to create a different IP, he could have. And I don't think he understood that email addresses carry an IP address. That's what I think. What's so crazy about this whole thing is that that dude is now like a credited UFO person.
Jason Rhodes (51:42)
As they say, know, Hollywood has a short memory.
Neal (51:45)
So Jason, ⁓ what else do you, is there anything else you want to add? And do you think that this is a mostly true alien story or not?
Jason Rhodes (51:52)
⁓ I struggle with a few aspects of it to really consider it mostly true. You know, I think that image of the two sons is great, it's a small detail, but a very important one because it just doesn't add up. You know, I think some of the details are very interesting, but some of them kind of don't make a lot of sense, like the training, the seclusion in the buried boxes and just...
Neal (52:14)
Yeah.
Jason Rhodes (52:17)
things like that, you kind of go, well, all right. then the Doty aspect is to...
Neal (52:22)
Yeah. I don't think our intelligence, our intelligence agency would say we got to bury them underground. I tell you, I just don't think that's the thing. ⁓
Jason Rhodes (52:31)
Yeah, I mean, who knows, but ⁓ I struggle with that. And I also struggle with some of the details of them, you know, being on Serpo and wanting to bury, you know, 308 and wanting to get out the weapons and all these things. It's like, okay, so I'm going to lean towards mostly not true.
Andrew (52:46)
thing about bearings
Neal (52:57)
Okay. All right. So Jason says it's not a mostly true alien story. There was some struggle. I could see the turmoil. I could see your, your battle internally about this. All right. So you say it's not a mostly true alien story, Andrew. I'm going to hand it to you very quickly. What do you think? Do you think this is a mostly true alien story or not?
Jason Rhodes (53:01)
be true.
Andrew (53:14)
Two things, the reason why they had such short numbers like 308 is because 8 6 7 5 3 0 9 was already taken.
And no, this is not a mostly true. This is a great science fiction story that was written by James Tiptree Jr. That's what this is. It's fantastic. I mean, the story is really just to me, it's it's brilliant. I mean, who's going to describe porcupine people and red slugs with black eyes? Yeah, so come on.
Neal (53:41)
Okay. All ⁓
right. So Andrew, you say it's not a mostly true alien story. Jason says it's not a mostly true alien story. Let me weigh in now. It's my turn to come in on this. Here's what I think actually is true. I think he, I think the aliens did crash. I think we had EB one. I think that's true. I think this is parts of true stories related to alien encounters during that timeframe. I do think there was probably a group
of volunteers that had to do something related to the alien encounter. Very brave people. Did they travel to another planet? You know what? I'm going to say for the most part that I think that this is a mostly true alien story for the most part. I believe that this is something that could possibly happen. I think there has been some ⁓ liberties taken through this story through the years. I think there's been a lot of liberties, but I think at the heart of this story,
I think it's very plausible that this possibly could be a mostly true alien story and I believe our listeners will agree with me over you too.
Andrew (54:52)
I don't think so.
Neal (54:54)
So here's, here's what we've got. We've got no physical evidence, no known returnees, no confirmed launch logs or mission data, but also a story that refuses to die. Right? So it's passed around forums, whispering conferences, and occasionally championed by some other very vocal insiders was projects Serpo real, or is it just one of the greatest UFOs stories never told officially Jason, where I let you go. What is your one takeaway from today's story or time with us?
Jason Rhodes (55:22)
had a great time. Thanks again for having me. Yeah, no, this story, I think it's a great story, but I do agree with you, Neal. I do think that there are aspects of truth in this story. I think that, I mean, potentially could have been the purpose. You know, maybe there was a purpose to leak out a little bit of the truth and then wrap it all in a bunch of, you know.
Andrew (55:45)
lies yeah stuff
Jason Rhodes (55:46)
Right. Yeah, nonsense, you know, just to most people. ⁓ And perhaps that was, yeah. And you know, when you tied into Doty, that would make sense. So ⁓ I do think that there is some truth in there. And it was it's an entertaining story for sure. So and there were some details in there that I hadn't heard. And those were
Neal (56:05)
So
that's Andrew. You got to hand that to Andrew. Yeah, that's for sure. All right. Well, thank you. We are so glad to have you. Listen, listeners, we want to hear what you guys think. So drop your comments, your theories, your wildest Serpo takes below. And while you're here, hit that subscribe button, share this episode with your favorite conspiracy debunker, and be sure to check out our upcoming news additions and specials like the Boogasphere deep dive, which is going to drop in a couple of weeks and make sure to check out.
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