Neal Girandola (00:00)
Late December, 1980, two US air bases in England, military guards on patrol and something glowing hovering just beyond the trees.
A triangle shaped
a coded message in
nights, multiple witnesses.
called it Britain's
about to break it
is the Rendlesham Forest
we're doing it with zero lighthouses, zero weather
and 100 % military grade
you believe?
Let's get into it. Welcome to another episode of Mostly True Alien Stories.
Neal Girandola (00:46)
Welcome back to Mostly True Alien Stories. It's the show where we dig into one real true alien encounter case file or whistleblower claim, and we're going to decide whether it's mostly true or not. I'm Neil Gierandola along with the ever non-believing co-host we refer to as Andrew Triana. Hi, Andrew.
Android (01:05)
Hello, Neil.
Neal Girandola (01:07)
It's so nice to see you every episode we bring you a true report of an alien counter parsing the details we peel back the
and we call out the truth hiding in plain
today we're taking you into the woods rendlesham forest suffolk england three nights
radiation spikes, symbols, recordings, military officers, and a series of
encounters that shook a Cold War air base kind of to its
make sure you hit that subscribe button wherever you're listening and follow us on TikTok and YouTube for special content outside of the podcast, fireside
right, before we get into our featured story,
Andrew, I really do want to chat about the three I atlas the intergalactic object that's headed towards Earth. This is blown into a full on theorist wet dream special with every mile. It gets
What's your what's your thoughts and takes on the old three I atlas?
Wait, for those of you who don't know haven't heard about it. The three I
Android (02:02)
I think it's an.
Neal Girandola (02:05)
it is an intergalactic object that is heading towards
Android (02:05)
Object.
Neal Girandola (02:08)
And then there are scientists like Avi Loeb, he was an astrophysicist ⁓ from Harvard, who is claiming that this could possibly be a nuclear powered UFO mothership that is heading in a hostile ⁓ way towards our galaxy into our
We will not see this. Well, in October, it's going to pass on the other side of the sun.
So we won't be able to see it. And he's saying that the trajectory of this object is not like any other, if it were a comet or anything else, it's not going in the right path. It's going on a strange direct ⁓ trajectory that could mean that it's a hostile sort of ⁓ object coming towards us. and ⁓ they're going to turn the cameras on it. And when it passes through by Mars, I believe, ⁓
I think in October, late October. So we'll see what that's all about, but everyone's going nuts. And we did a video. We did a video that's on our tick tock. That's now almost at 300,000 views. And we're just talking about all of this, about Avi Loeb.
I just thought that we, wanted to get Andrew's take cause I haven't heard what you thought about the three I Atlas. So what's your, what's your take on this? this a mostly true alien story or not?
Android (03:24)
Right. My ⁓
okay.
we just say that they've taken obvious ⁓ words out of context. I mean, let's just say that everybody's just like nitpicking pieces of things that he's saying. Hey, could it be a mothership? know what? It could be a mothership. Obviously, it's from Harvard. It's a mothership. It's like, come on guys.
Neal Girandola (03:45)
Yeah.
Android (03:47)
It's not a mothership. It's not a mothership. The latest thing from Spherax says that the tail of this comet is collecting a lot of carbon dioxide gas. ⁓ And it's collecting it in large amounts, maybe more so than it's done before. ⁓ They're not really sure. The changing colors that they're talking about, I don't know, you didn't mention that, but yeah, it's changing colors from like red and blue and green.
Neal Girandola (04:11)
Yeah, that's the most that's the
newest report it just came out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, well, I'll be I'll be literally said it's turned on its lights. I mean, he's listen, he's not he he is. Yes. Right. Right. Yeah.
Android (04:14)
Yeah, it's blinking. It's sending a code. I deciphered the code.
Yeah. He's feeding into it, dude. He's a professor from Harvard. Nobody knew who he was until he said this. mean,
his students knew who he was. So yeah.
Neal Girandola (04:31)
He is a, he,
he is a, he is a serious astrophysicist at Harvard, but he's all, everyone should know he is a, he's also a UFO enthusiast. He's a big time UFO enthusiast. So he likes this stuff, but he's also, he, but I'm sorry to interrupt you, but he also does things such as he creates these
Android (04:36)
No, yeah, more so than you and me.
Yeah, of course. He wants it to believe. Right. Well, the latest
Neal Girandola (04:53)
as scenarios and he literally puts it in his report. This is just a scenario.
What if the object that's heading towards earth is a UFO mothership that's coming to take over? What is that? That's he says these scenarios, but people are skipping over that part where he says this is only a scenario. You know my thoughts, but he is feeding into it. Sorry, good.
Android (05:02)
Right.
I think ⁓ it's a, it's a mother.
Neal Girandola (05:17)
What do you think?
Wait, Andrew, what do you think?
Android (05:21)
I think it's the mothership and the blinker is stuck.
Neal Girandola (05:25)
It's an old guy. It's an old alien. Yeah. He has no idea his blinker's still on.
Android (05:26)
It's an old it's an older alien. He's a little bit off course. He hasn't.
⁓ it's still on. He's like, I think I'm going right. Am I Margaret? Can you tell me? Margaret. ⁓ she's asleep.
Neal Girandola (05:44)
We're gonna go to earth
and we're gonna annihilate them. We should have done this years ago.
Android (05:47)
Hey,
I said this 1400 years ago, we should just wipe them off. They're a bunch of freaking morons. No, no, it's a comet. It's a comet. It's not even coming close to earth. It's 290 million miles away from the sun right now. And by the time it gets near earth, it's going to be so many hundreds of millions. It's just come on guys. We want this to be
Neal Girandola (05:59)
You think it's a comment
Android (06:14)
If the thing was coming towards us and it was sending messages, we're coming. Hello. Hello.
Neal Girandola (06:19)
Well, you know what, somebody's feeding,
somebody's feeding the conspiracies. And, and there was an interesting thing that was brought up by, ⁓ Steve, our, our boy, Steven Greer on his new, on his new podcast. But he actually said
Android (06:30)
my gosh, this guy, this freaking guy.
Neal Girandola (06:35)
are government officials that are looking for opportunities to distract and feed the narrative that
Android (06:37)
huh.
Neal Girandola (06:44)
⁓ there's a hostile aliens or there's a mothership or is this net distracting away from the actual work that people like he, him and Corbell and you know, Elizondo are trying to get this disclosure out in the open. So they're making these big claims. So this at three, I Atlas
Android (07:00)
Do you know?
Neal Girandola (07:05)
it's his belief that they're trying to make this into something. It's not.
to distract from the conversation where we should be disclosing information about the UFO. Yes, what is it?
Android (07:15)
I just had a great idea.
I hope Joe Rogan's listening to our podcast because if Joe Rogan's listening to our podcast, I think he's listening. He's got to be right. I want him to set up a fight between me and Stephen Greer, an ultimate cage match between Greer and I. I'm done. I'm done with Dave Grohl's. I'm not mad at him anymore about, you know, believing in UFOs.
Neal Girandola (07:20)
He's definitely... He's definitely listening. Yeah, he's listening. Yeah. Fucking guy.
my God.
Yeah, yeah for those of you don't know
⁓ Andrew also challenged Dave Grohl to a fight match but that we couldn't get that going there was insurance and all this other stuff that they just wouldn't do it Yeah, yeah, yeah
Android (07:45)
Yeah, yeah, he didn't want to fight. He didn't want to fight. I wanted to fight. But
I want I want Stephen Greer in the ring. That's what I want. Christmas Day, like Rocky IV. On Christmas Day. Like Rocky IV. We should do it at... No, we should do it at like... Yeah, no, it's six o'clock so people can have their Christmas dinner and watch the fight at the same time.
Neal Girandola (07:54)
Oh, on Christmas day. Should we do it like what time should we do it in the morning or noon?
my God.
Everybody be talking about it all day. Yeah. Let's let's wrap this up. Let's open up your presence. Let's go because Andrew is going to be fighting Steven Greer pretty soon. Yeah.
Android (08:15)
The guy from Mostly True Alien Stories is going
to fight the guy who believes in aliens and who has photos of aliens. And this is determined. If I lose, I'll concede and believe in everything alien.
Neal Girandola (08:21)
I think that would be a good place.
Wow, you heard it here on Mostly True Aliens Stories, everyone.
Android (08:30)
And if he
loses, which he will, because I'll destroy him. If he loses, he has to, he has to uncover everything that he's just been talking a bunch of bullshit.
Neal Girandola (08:34)
huh. Alright. Yeah. Yeah.
All right, well here's what I want you to do right now, because I think we have to make this an official challenge. You need to look straight into the camera, and I want you to call him out right now. I want to hear how you're going to call him out and challenge him to a fight on Christmas Day. Go ahead.
Android (08:57)
Dr. Stephen Creer, this is Android for Mostly True Alien Stories, and I'm calling you to the ring. Christmas Day 2025, I want you in the ring, motherfucker.
Neal Girandola (09:12)
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Wow. You may need to curse. All right. All right. All right. Steven Greer, if ⁓ I know you're listening and you've heard the challenge, you have to fight Andrew Christmas day. And if you don't, I mean, everything you're doing is bull shit.
Android (09:15)
Yeah, I used it. We can cut that. We don't have to use that.
Yeah, dude.
Yeah, why don't
you tell us more things about aliens and take us some more photos of you and Flippy, the little alien guy that you have photos of him. Yeah.
Neal Girandola (09:41)
Alright, so you think that the 3i Atlas is not a mostly true alien story, it's a comet heading this way. It really is.
Android (09:44)
It's It's a comet. It's a great story though. Or it's
an older alien with his blinker on.
Neal Girandola (09:52)
I think it's a fun story for its time. Anyway, I, but what I like more is that you're going to fight Steven Greer on Christmas day. that's exciting. All right, let's get it. Yeah. What are you going to train for this one? I don't even know. I don't even know if he can fight.
Android (09:59)
I think it's great. I'm start training now. I'm ready.
Dude, I'm gonna get,
I'm gonna get Apollo's old trainer.
Neal Girandola (10:10)
⁓ wow, you're put logs on your back and stuff? Yeah, alright, I'm looking forward to it. Alright!
Android (10:12)
Yep. Yep. You know what we could do? We can maybe
show the video of my training montage later. Yeah.
Neal Girandola (10:19)
We're definitely putting it together. We're definitely,
we're definitely putting it in my town together. It's story. I swear to God we're doing that. All right, let's get into our featured story. Here's how it works. I was going to lay out the high level facts of a true report. It's a report told straight from the case file. Then Andrew, he's going to step in with information I probably didn't even mention or knew of. And then we're both going to weigh in on whether we think this is a mostly true alien story or
Android (10:31)
you
Neal Girandola (10:48)
And we would love to hear what you guys think. make sure you leave a
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is the Rendlesham Forest Forest incident took place in Suffolk,
in the final days of 1980, while most of the world settled in for post Christmas
something inexplicable broke the silence of a quiet English forest nestled between twin US air
Rendlesham Shim Forest between Raff Bentwaters and Raff Woodbridge in Suffolk.
England, home to two US Air Force bases during the Cold War, became ground zero for what many believe is the UK's most significant and well documented UFO encounter, even referred to as
England's
It was night one, December 26, 1980 at around 3am. Strange lights were seen descending into the trees in the forest.
and thinking it might be a downed aircraft, the base immediately dispatched a security team, including Sergeant Jim Penniston and Airman John Burroughs to
What they found wasn't a crash. Penniston would later describe it as a triangular
approximately nine feet long on each side, six feet high, resting silently on tripod-like legs.
Its surface was black and glassy, covered in glowing symbols or glyphs,
which Penniston would later transcribe into a notebook comparing them to
Android (12:21)
He had a notebook on him, so he was writing everything
Neal Girandola (12:23)
it wrote it down.
And he claimed to have touched the craft and feeling a static charge before it silently lifted clear the trees and disappeared.
Okay, so there were physical traces that were found at the site. There were triangular indentations in the frozen ground, broken tree branches above increased radiation readings measured later on at the
Two nights later on December 28th, deputy base commander, Lieutenant Colonel Charles Halt and a small team entered the forest with a Geiger counter, a handheld recorder and
And that recording still exists. So as they observed flashing lights weaving through the trees, Halt's voice can be heard on tape saying,
there it is again. It's coming this way. There's no doubt about it.
They reported beams of light shooting down from the sky. Some said they struck the ground near the weapon storage area of the base and then radiation levels around the landing site again, read abnormally
Halt filed a memo now declassified detailing the encounter and officially titled unexplained lights submitted to the Ministry of Defense.
their response was.
This is not a threat and there's no further action to be
But that story didn't stay buried. So by 1983, the incident leaked to the press. It hit tabloid headlines that then entered the annals of UFO lore. Penniston later passed the lie detector test about this encounter. In subsequent interviews, he revealed that after touching the glyphs, he received a kind of binary download into his mind.
pages of 1s and 0s, which later translated to coordinates, pointing to ancient mysterious locations around the globe, including the Pyramids of Giza and Nazca Lines.
Other witnesses stepped forward confirming unusual lights and base alerts that weekend. Skeptics of course suggested misidentified lighthouses or meteorological anomalies, but those who were there have never wavered.
Why this case still matters? Well, there's multiple military witnesses. There's physical evidence, indentations, radiation, audio recordings. There's declassified memo from a high ranking U.S. officer. There's ongoing witness testimony 40 plus years later and binary code theory still being
Okay. Well, that's the report as I have it. I'm going to hand it off to you, Andrew. And I want to hear if you think this is a mostly true alien story or not.
listeners you can weigh in as well.
Android (15:01)
I'm weighing in right now, that's a true story. Done. Thanks for listening, guys.
Neal Girandola (15:04)
Done. All right. Thanks for listening. We'll see you guys on the next episode.
Android (15:07)
Okay, so, I dug into this one
research.
Neal Girandola (15:12)
That's what I like about you. That's what I like about you.
Android (15:14)
that the Romantics, right? That's what I like about you. You hold me tight.
Neal Girandola (15:18)
⁓ You know
going to be your entrance song for the fight with
with Greer.
Android (15:25)
I'm going, dude.
I'm going all I'm going music from Rocky for complete. I'm going to own it, Yep. I'm going American flag. Yeah. American flag or I might wear Cuba shorts. Maybe Cuba represent my Cuban heritage. Maybe I'll do that.
Neal Girandola (15:29)
You're going, you're, going to own it. You're going to wear those stripes shorts and all. You're to wear the flag shorts.
Maybe you could wear split shorts. Yeah, Cuban-American.
Android (15:42)
Cuba America, yeah. And
then he's going to wear what? A silver, or maybe he'll wear like silver overalls.
Neal Girandola (15:47)
Alien shorts. No, what? Alien shorts.
All right. So go ahead. So what do you got? All right. What do you got in this part?
Android (15:52)
Okay,
all right, so there's a lot of things with this, but the reason why everybody was freaked out was, you had mentioned the Cold War. There was a rumor that there was actually nuclear devices underneath the ground there, and that's what attracts the aliens. We've heard that before at the Air Force Base, right, between the two, right.
Neal Girandola (16:11)
at these at the Air Force base there between the air. Yeah, right. One of the other. Yeah.
Android (16:16)
So that's why they were there. ⁓ it was Airman First Class John
was the first person and Sergeant Bud Stephens were the first two people to go out. They went out, they called from the gate house and that's when ⁓ Sergeant Jim Penniston, who was the on duty flight chief and he grabbed Airman Edward.
Neal Girandola (16:23)
Mm-hmm.
Weren't they at an event?
Weren't they at an event or something? Okay. Okay. Yep.
Android (16:43)
No, no, no, no, that was that was two days later. That was two days later. ⁓
Airman Edward Cabinsog and they headed to the East Gate and so when they got there, Burroughs said, hey man, you know, we saw these lights that just landed over in the woods over there and we've gotta figure out what the hell's going on, right? So, the interesting thing is that no one at the base saw
Neal Girandola (17:04)
Of course.
Nobody
saw anything except for who who saw it.
Android (17:11)
⁓ burrows saw the lights. He, they were, yeah, he was the first guy to see the lights. Okay. And they were driving, you know, cause they drive around, there's all these logging roads and stuff around the, around the base and they know where they're going. They do this every night. So it wasn't like this was out of the ordinary. Okay. But this is what I found interesting. 15 minutes before they saw the lights. Radar reported a bogey. They said that there was a bogey in the area.
Neal Girandola (17:13)
He was the first guy.
Sure.
Right. Right.
⁓ okay.
This is at what time at night? 2am. Yeah, okay. So this is that night patrol guys out there, you're watching everything? Yep. Right, right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, nothing happens. Yeah. Right. Uh-huh. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Android (17:39)
2 a.m. this is a 2 a.m. yeah 2 a.m. in the morning night patrol guys yeah this is the this is the job you don't want right you want to be like in the day job gonna be like hey I'm just sitting here doing right and then 2 o'clock in the morning that's when the stuff's gonna go down that's when the Russians are gonna come and aliens and you know Stephen Greer and his friends are gonna show up and so
so they talked that
the four of them walk towards the lights, right? And as soon as they got towards the light, they could feel like... ⁓
Neal Girandola (18:10)
But they had to leave
the base to go towards the woods where this was happening, right?
Android (18:14)
Well, they were at the East Gate. So yeah, they left, basically left the base and started walking into the woods to the area where the lights were downed. Okay.
Neal Girandola (18:17)
Hey, love. Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah.
Android (18:22)
animals, there were lots of farms in the area. They said that the animals and the farm animals were screaming.
But as they got closer to the, ⁓ yeah, that's scary. Yeah. Yeah. They're like restless. And they said, but as soon they got closer to the lights, they stopped.
Neal Girandola (18:27)
Like a... That's scary. That would scare the shit out of me. All the animals screaming? Okay. Yeah.
Hmm. Okay.
Android (18:40)
When they got up to where the lights were, a huge bright light turned on. Now this was just, at this time it was just through the woods, Burroughs and, and Penniston were the two, the other two guys stayed back up at the road by the car. They didn't go all the way down. So it was just the two of them.
Neal Girandola (18:47)
This is through the woods though they're seeing this in the woods.
⁓ Okay.
So two of them, they're by themselves in a sense. I got you. Okay.
Android (19:01)
and they're by themselves.
So, Panniston immediately pulls out his notebook and he starts taking notes about what he's seeing and everything, right?
Neal Girandola (19:09)
That's
just an odd thing to do at the moment to me not obviously not weighing in but just I don't think I would have the
Android (19:15)
But this is what his job
is. is the he's the staff sergeant on duty. I mean, he has to make notes. He didn't have a recording.
Neal Girandola (19:21)
Yeah, but isn't that something when I get back to my desk,
when I get back to my desk, I'm going to write down this report. You know what mean?
Android (19:26)
No, I guess
he was smart enough to have a notebook with him to write it down.
Neal Girandola (19:29)
Yeah, maybe he was one of those
squared away guys that always took notes on the spot. Yeah. Yeah, sure. Sure.
Android (19:32)
everything by the book I need, you know, because if
I, by the time I get back to the base, I might not remember what I saw this way. I'm writing it. I'm writing it down. So they get to a clearing, right? And now they see the little craft, right? That is nine meters by nine meters. That's pretty big, pretty big craft. Okay. You said nine feet. You said nine feet. Yeah. Nine meters, which is bigger than nine feet. 27 feet. I think.
Neal Girandola (19:38)
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Okay. That's pretty big. Wait, did I say nine feet? I said nine feet wrong. Yeah, my bad. Yep. Yeah. What is that? 27.
Android (20:02)
Right? Three meters, no, three meters to
Neal Girandola (20:03)
Something like that.
Android (20:04)
a yard. A yard is 36 inches. So whatever nine times 36 is, it's pretty big.
OK, so it's 30 foot craft. OK.
Neal Girandola (20:10)
That's pretty big. Yeah. That's, that's
a, that'll fit a couple of people in
that's a big you're gonna
Android (20:15)
You know what I'd like to do? I'd like to get in that ship, right?
And I'd me and Stephen Greer and then fly straight up. And then I'd like to drop him out of it.
Neal Girandola (20:24)
You can't you've already challenged me to fight you can't now pile other things on this All right, okay. Maybe that's your finishing move All right, ⁓ It's like really dramatic Yeah, yeah, okay. Yeah
Android (20:27)
after the fight, I'm gonna do that to him. Okay.
like Mortal Kombat, mine is an alien ship comes and grabs a guy and takes him up and drops him. I love that. Freaking great. And I'm in like in silver overalls with boots and a belt and a headband. I like
it. Okay. All right. So they get, they get to the clearing and all of sudden these lights come on and they're blinded. They can't see anything. Right. The triangle shaped thing was just sitting there. Still just the two of them.
Neal Girandola (20:57)
Still just the two of them. Still just the two of them.
Android (21:01)
And he puts his hand on the ship. And when he, he said he put his hand on the ship, everything went white for him. Like his whole vision, white it out. And then he came to,
Neal Girandola (21:05)
Mm-hmm.
That's pretty brave.
Android (21:16)
said he felt hieroglyphics or symbols all around the ship. Right. As soon as he did that, he kind of like fell back. felt nauseous and the ship took off. All right.
Neal Girandola (21:25)
Hmm.
Hmm.
Android (21:27)
So
now they're like, dude, they're completely, they're completely freaked out. So now he starts writing. He's smart enough to where he's going to start writing and he starts describing the symbols. He also said that even though the symbols were on it, it felt like black glass, like the ship felt like black glass.
Neal Girandola (21:32)
Yeah.
that is in fact true, the feeling that he had the response that he had.
What kind of technology is that that that can send that sort of ⁓ feeling through you or that kind of experience where you're you're ⁓ implanted with these types of things that you can touch metal or glass or whatever it is, and it's able to transmit
this emotion into your body and or thoughts.
What is that technology? That's freaking crazy.
Android (22:16)
Right. Well, here's what's even
When they went into the woods, the two of them, Pennison had gotten closer to the ship than Burroughs was, right? By the time all this went down and the ship went away,
Neal Girandola (22:21)
Mm-hmm.
penisented.
Android (22:27)
it felt like a couple minutes for Burroughs and only a couple seconds for Pennison. It had been 45 minutes.
Neal Girandola (22:30)
Okay.
What?
Android (22:37)
Yeah, 45 minutes of time had passed. The two guys that they left up at the top of the road, they had called in for a search party to come. Yep. Yep. They didn't come back. They saw the light. Supposedly they didn't say they saw the
Neal Girandola (22:44)
because they were worried about those guys. hadn't been back. So wait a minute. But,
but Penison for him, he thought it was a couple of seconds, but it was. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Because Burrows wasn't up by the ship touching it, but he still had time pass.
Android (22:55)
Burroughs thought it was a couple minutes that they were down there.
wasn't as close to the ship as penison was.
Yes. Yeah. Yeah. They both were gone for like 45 minutes. Okay. So, um, they, the local police show
Neal Girandola (23:06)
Interesting. Okay. Okay. Okay.
Android (23:12)
and then, um, Charles Holt, um, the LTC Charles Holt shows up to investigate and let's just let you know, he hated, he was annoyed by any time anybody brought up UFO stuff.
Neal Girandola (23:15)
Mm-hmm.
Android (23:24)
I don't know what that would be like. Right.
Neal Girandola (23:24)
He didn't like that shit. He's like you.
Yeah.
Android (23:27)
so
you'd be like, here, tell me about UFOs. Go ahead. No, I don't want to hear it. That annoys me. Stop them like that, like that, OK?
Neal Girandola (23:29)
Yeah. Hey, I want to tell you about this UFO that I stopped him right away. That's like you.
It's a lot like you. Okay. So go ahead.
Android (23:41)
So in the morning, now this is like almost 5 AM now, right? They go back to the base. They talk. They come back out when the daybreak has happened and Panason decides that he's going to bring plaster of Paris
Neal Girandola (23:44)
.
Android (23:56)
So that he can make molds of where the ship landed. So there were definite marks in the ground where the ship had set down. So he goes himself and he's going to make. Yeah. He's got, he happened to, you know,
Neal Girandola (24:03)
Okay, so sort of like detective work, he's gonna go and get his proof.
Android (24:09)
In his backpack where he carried his notebook, he also had last year Paris. This is just like the Hardy boys. It's the Hardy boys. It's great. It's
Neal Girandola (24:11)
He had plaster of Paris. This guy. Yeah, this guy takes notes at the spot. It's pretty impressive.
It would be interesting
though to actually dive a little deeper into him and his background. Cause maybe he was like a boy scout kind of guy. Maybe he, you know, that's why he's in the military. You know, maybe he is one of those guys takes notes. I got everything you need. I can dust for prints. can make plaster Paris molds. Maybe he's that kind of
Android (24:33)
No, I gotcha. I gotcha. No.
Neal Girandola (24:36)
go ahead.
Android (24:36)
I do
know about him is that he's a great kisser.
Neal Girandola (24:39)
you really did your research. You did your research. He's great kisser. Alright. I can't wait to meet him.
Android (24:41)
I did my research. I've gone for the whole week doing this research. Found him, he's still alive. Yeah, even at this age, he's a great kisser. ⁓ the
next night ⁓ is December 27th, right? They're having ⁓ an honorary dinner to give honors, to give awards away to people, right? And they're all in there.
Neal Girandola (24:58)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Right. Yep. Yep. Yep. ⁓
Android (25:07)
And since Holt had done the investigation, the door opens and some little airman comes in and goes, it's back. That's all he says. It's back. So he gets up, everybody gets up.
Neal Girandola (25:20)
This is a non this
is this airman that came in as a non essential. He's just a guy dude. Yeah, dude. Yeah. He's radar. He's radar from mash. Yeah. Okay. Gotcha. Okay. Just I'm just painting a picture for our listeners. Yeah.
Android (25:24)
just to, yeah, he just said the lights are back. The lights are back is what he said, the lights are back. Mash, yeah.
where he's like, you're right, or
today's day to be like, your Uber ride is here.
Neal Girandola (25:40)
Okay. All right. So, so hold hold is like, what the shit? Yeah.
Android (25:41)
All right, so Halt goes out. Now, one thing
they said about Halt is that he carried a recorder, ⁓ a tape recorder with him all the time.
Neal Girandola (25:51)
Okay.
Yeah, but, but
Holt wasn't, didn't go out in the woods the night before.
Android (25:58)
No, no, no, no, no. He went out after. They called him after. And then he was like, man, spaceships, get out of here. Now he's going out. All
Neal Girandola (26:04)
Okay.
Android (26:06)
They record him. He records himself. And they have the audio tapes. They have the audio tapes of him describing what he's seen, right?
Neal Girandola (26:14)
Okay.
Android (26:15)
So they get out
Neal Girandola (26:16)
Yeah.
Android (26:16)
there and he's recording all of this stuff and he's describing what he sees at night and everything. So the next day they go out, this is now December 28th, the next morning they go out the morning of the 28th.
Neal Girandola (26:26)
They didn't go out that night.
Android (26:29)
they went out that night, but he just recorded the lights and everything that he saw on the 27th into the 28th. Okay. On the 28th, he, ⁓ they go out and they see that the, ⁓ there's trees that have been marked like hatched.
Neal Girandola (26:32)
Okay, right. That's right. Okay, yeah.
Android (26:44)
Like there's divots taken out of trees. There's radiation being detected in the area. The animals are still like ⁓ a little antsy, right? They're unsettled, right?
Neal Girandola (26:49)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, little unsettled. Unsettled,
Android (26:56)
and then that was it. They wrote the report up, Strange Lights, and then it kind of just died there, right? But months after,
Neal Girandola (27:01)
Yeah, okay.
Android (27:04)
started having health issues.
He had eye problems. ⁓ he was having a hard time with his breathing. He felt like he was having heart palpitations all the time. Pennison was having nightmares to where he'd wake up and he felt sick. These are the two guys that were the closest, right? Closest to the ship. when you check out the, the air force ⁓ records, the classified records, there's nothing there. They don't, they don't talk about it because it's all, it's all classified.
Neal Girandola (27:20)
And these are the two guys that touch the ship the one touch the ship closest to the ship right? Yeah.
Android (27:35)
So Burroughs went to a different doctor than, than, ⁓ than the air force doctor. they said that,
was exposed to some type of radiation and they called it a broadband non-ionizing electromagnetic radiation, which is the same type of radiation that comes from a microwave, just so that, you All right. Right. They were like, dude, stop cooking your hot dogs in the microwave.
Neal Girandola (27:51)
Holy shit.
Okay. So they told him to stop using the microwave.
Mm-hmm. You can't get in with it.
Android (28:04)
Just use it
to warm up. Just use it to warm up hot water for tea. That's it. I don't want you to use anything. And whatever you do, or don't put anything metal inside. Okay. That's the thing. And if you've got a heart condition or a pacemaker, don't go near it. Just don't go near it.
Neal Girandola (28:08)
That's it. That's it. Or popcorn. Or popcorn.
Okay. All right. he
Yeah,
right. I wonder. mean, that's odd. mean, microwaves are very safe. So I wonder how he would have gotten that.
Android (28:29)
Well, they do know that microwaves
give off a radiation. They do know that. But it's contained.
Neal Girandola (28:32)
Yeah, but you have to be you
have to be in you gotta I mean that's gotta be for him to get sick from something like that
Android (28:37)
You just gotta be hugging it. I hug my microwave.
I hug it. Like when I make hot chocolate, I'm like, thank you. I hold it, well, it's because I love hot chocolate. I kind of caress it and I'm like, thank you microwave for your ionizing electromagnetic radiation. Right?
Neal Girandola (28:43)
you hold it, you hold it. You hold it. Gently, you hold it gently.
Yeah. Mm hmm. That makes sense. Yeah. But
in all seriousness, it it you'd have to to get exposed to that kind of ⁓ radiation. It's either through a microwave or it's got to be from something. Something there. Yeah.
Android (29:07)
Something there, right. Right. Okay.
So now, Penison, he starts having like these visions of ones and zeros, right, in his head. Okay. And he felt sick every time it happened. But here's the weird thing. The visions of the ones and zeros, right. So he decided to start writing down the ones and zeros.
Neal Girandola (29:17)
Yeah, that's so freaking weird.
Every time he had the visions, he felt sick.
Mm-hmm.
Android (29:34)
And the more he wrote, the better he felt.
Neal Girandola (29:37)
he was writing them down in probably the order he saw them or the patterns he saw and that sort
Android (29:40)
Yes, in the patterns that
he saw in his notebook, right? His famous notebook, okay? And he wrote it all down. And then once he got rid of all of that, he said he felt a hundred times better. So it was like that data, that data was making him sick.
Neal Girandola (29:44)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
know what that's interesting. Yeah, that he
needed to unload, he needed to download it. But that's another
to this story is it's a it's an odd detail because he was feeling sick. He was seeing the visions he would feel sick to have it. Let's just say this is an alien encounter, right? And he was he was uploaded. He was uploaded with this information.
And the only way for him to feel
Andrew is to download it. That kind of that kind of advanced. I don't even know what you call it advanced sort of. Well, I think you can call it any technology, but to be able to to do that to a point where you eventually as a human, you're like the only way I'm feeling better is if I download this and write it down. That's crazy. We're just not.
Android (30:24)
Right, right.
in technology.
Well, he just thought of that. I mean, he just thought of
it, so.
Neal Girandola (30:47)
we're just not prepared. We're not prepared to handle that kind of advancement. I mean, that's kind of weird. Okay, so
Android (30:52)
Right. So let's
fast forward 30 years later.
He gets
Neal Girandola (30:56)
Okay.
Android (30:59)
2010 is 2010 and he's there and he brings his notebook out. And during the interview, he shows them the numbers. Now he claims he had forgot about the numbers completely until he did this interview. He's like, Oh my God, look, there's these zero one one zero. Same notebook, same notebook, his notebook. He never turned it back over.
Neal Girandola (30:58)
So that's 2010. Yeah. Yeah.
Mm.
Mm-hmm This is the same notebook or is this a copy of okay?
Hmm.
Android (31:20)
So they looked at it and the guy interviewing him in 2010 says, that looks like binary code. And Pennison goes, well, it's binary
Neal Girandola (31:29)
Yeah, but even
I know binary code. I know a binary code. He's in the military. I would know writing down ones and zeros, that's binary code.
Android (31:32)
This guy didn't. He said he didn't know what it was.
Maybe
they wiped his memory when they put it in. Don't know. I don't know. Dude, when I looked at it, when I saw the pictures of his notebook, I was like, that's binary code. I knew that. And I'm not, you know.
Neal Girandola (31:42)
I mean, I'm just saying my point is I'm surprised he didn't know 30 years prior.
Yeah, that's
what I mean. I think immediately you would anybody in the military would go that's binary code.
Android (31:55)
I am working for the CIA. it's probably why I know. Shhh. Viewers don't say that. Don't tell anyone. Please, please beat that out. Thank you. Okay. So the guy from the show takes the code and he gives it to a computer
Neal Girandola (31:59)
You're not supposed to say that on air. Yeah. I'll, I'll, I'll beep that out. I'm going to beep that out.
Android (32:11)
And 30 years later, and they say,
Neal Girandola (32:11)
This is 30 years later.
Android (32:15)
it's a message from the future.
Neal Girandola (32:17)
What is the message from the future.
this is a message from the future, but it's 30 years later. The aliens are probably like, they should have known this by now.
Android (32:26)
Do you want the message or not? I have the decoded message.
Neal Girandola (32:30)
No,
let's not. Alright, ladies and gentlemen, thanks for listening. That's our episode. We'll get to that message another time. Just kidding. Alright, go ahead. Yes, what is the message?
Android (32:38)
Alright, the message
reads exploration of humanity continuous.
for planetary advance. Eyes of our eyes origin year 8100.
Neal Girandola (32:50)
So not till
the year 8,100.
Android (32:52)
No. So
the other, no, what they're saying is that this is from the future. The message is from the future. Meaning that the origin year of this message from 8,100. Yeah. That's what they're saying. Isn't that weird?
Neal Girandola (33:03)
from the year 8,000.
Or are they saying,
me the message again. Say it again.
Android (33:10)
Exploration
of humanity continuous, continuous for planetary advance, eyes of our eyes, origin year 8100. So the origin year of the message is what they deciphered is from the year 8100.
Neal Girandola (33:23)
Right, but what does eyes of our eyes mean?
Android (33:26)
I don't know. So there were other things in the message as well in the binary code. And they said that the other codes are
The locations are Caracol Brazil, Sedona, Arizona, the Great Pyramid of Giza, the Nazca lines in Peru, Mount ⁓ Taishan or Taishan in China, the Temple of Apollo in Greece.
Neal Girandola (33:35)
Okay.
Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah.
Mm.
Android (33:54)
And the final
location is in the middle of the ocean. Now, early maps from years and years ago, hundreds of years ago, talked about High Brazil, which was considered a phantom island, a civilization that lived out in the ocean that was later destroyed. Could that have been Atlantis, possibly? I don't know.
Neal Girandola (33:58)
Hmm.
Okay.
But wait a minute, what
do all of those locations, do they have something in
are they implying that perhaps there's alien bases there, or what is the point?
Android (34:22)
Possibly they didn't say
they didn't say they just gave those longitude latitude
Neal Girandola (34:28)
I mean, I get Giza, I get NASCA. I get those. Right. I know. But I mean, I don't know enough. I don't know enough to tie those locations together. I'm sure there is some sort of commonality among those. So go ahead.
Android (34:29)
numbers yeah right Sedona there's been a lot of stuff in Sedona Arizona and in Brazil I mean
Okay,
so here's what I found really cool. Penison does not believe that this is a UFO.
Neal Girandola (34:53)
What's he think it is after all of his experience he does not think this is UFO. Yeah
Android (34:55)
He believes it's messages. After all of his experience, he says
that this is not a US, a UFO. He believes it's messages from us. 6,000 years in the future that we're being visited by our future selves.
Neal Girandola (35:06)
in the future.
Now I've heard that theory before, like aliens are not aliens, they're us from the future.
does he go dive into that a little deeper? mean, is there any more to that? Or is he just said that and that was it? He dropped the mic. He said that and dropped the mic.
Android (35:25)
It's
like, it's not aliens, it's us.
Neal Girandola (35:30)
But so
he's basing that off of the feeling he gets from the message he received. ⁓ I'm assuming
Android (35:37)
Yes, that's what he's That's what he's saying.
Neal Girandola (35:41)
Okay.
Okay. Okay. mean, that's cool. That's cool to think about it that way. But why are we sending messages from the year 8000? There's got to be a reason.
Android (35:47)
Right, right, no.
Maybe because we
are going to destroy ourselves and took off in this glass, black glass spaceship, and it saved it.
Neal Girandola (35:58)
Yeah, but it's hard for me.
It's hard for me to believe that because we're sending messages from the year 8000. So, know, you know what I mean? It's like we didn't destroy ourselves if we're sending messages back that are, you know, 6000 years in the future.
Android (36:11)
But it must have gotten bad enough. It
have gotten bad enough here for us to come back and try to warn ourselves.
Neal Girandola (36:17)
Yeah,
but if it was mmm, okay, warn us for what reason that would be the questions I would have. Why are you warning us? Yeah, why warn us? How about? Yeah, right. Instead of sending these really cryptic messages from the year 8000. How about just say, hey, motherfuckers, you did something wrong. And this is what it was. Don't do this. Okay, because that ends
Android (36:23)
We've got to figure that out, Wait, I'm going to push this button. Should I do that? Boom.
Neal Girandola (36:38)
Instead, we got to go eyes of my eyes.
You know what I mean? I just don't okay. Now, what does that mean? Eyes of my eyes? I mean, you know what I mean? So just for me, it's a little that's a little challenging. I'll tell you what I will tell you what listeners I'm going to tell you what if if I know shits gonna go down and I take off with aliens, I'm gonna send you a very clear message that this is what you shouldn't do from the future. Yeah.
Android (37:05)
You guys are fucked.
Neal Girandola (37:08)
So
Android (37:09)
Bye.
Neal Girandola (37:10)
here's how this can be avoided. Very clearly. Take vitamin C.
You
Be nice to everyone. Yeah. Right. It's the cats. Everyone, it is the cats. No, it's not cats. It's not cats. We love cats.
Android (37:23)
Don't touch cats. Don't touch cats. They carry disease.
cats. It's cats. I'm telling you right now it's cats. Okay. ⁓ so as far
as as far as ⁓ the story that's what I have for the story. Now, I have some other information I would love to divulge to you.
Neal Girandola (37:45)
Let's go. need some
more compelling stuff because I don't know what to think yet as of now so far. To me, this is a very, this is a very cool story. ⁓ basically because it involves the military and involves these kinds of binary notes and all of this stuff is cool.
Android (37:50)
Okay, maybe this will help you.
Right.
Right. So there's two
schools of thought there, right? There's, schools of thoughts for people that believe in UFOs, right? That will say the military, look what the military they're covering up. It's gotta be a UFO. The military is covering up. So it's automatically a real UFO story. And then there's the people I'm going to say, like myself that like to dig into the evidence. And then they find the evidence and they go, no guys, this isn't a UFO. This is this, this, and this, and this explains why it is this. Right. So there's the two trains.
Neal Girandola (38:04)
Mm-hmm.
Right.
Mm-hmm.
Okay, I'm
excited to see what you found that is making you stay the way you are. Okay, good.
Android (38:30)
Okay, so it's just alcohol and cocaine.
If I could
kick those two vices, I'd believe in UFOs. It's that. That protects me from believing is what it does.
Neal Girandola (38:42)
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, well,
I'm constantly high, so I believe in UFOs.
Android (38:51)
Right, but you're on marijuana, it's different. I'm like anxious and then sleepy. And anxious and then sleepy.
Neal Girandola (38:53)
Mmm, yeah. I think my wife slipped me something different the other night. Alright,
go ahead.
Android (39:02)
Yeah.
Yeah. So, okay. So records show that there was a
Neal Girandola (39:07)
Mm-hmm.
Android (39:10)
From apparently from the classified say that there was. Now, did the events happen on December 26th and December 28th? Right. Right.
Neal Girandola (39:08)
records from the Declassified documents. Right. Okay.
It went 26 to the 28th, right? Or was it 26 and 28th? Or whatever.
Something. Over that three day period. Two day period.
Android (39:28)
No misinformation. The first sighting was actually on December the 27th, not December 26th. And this is from Holt's statement. So Holt didn't because Holt brought in, brought in Burroughs and brought in penison and brought in the other two guys. Right. And he said on January the 13th, Holt gave his statement that's several days later than the 26th, 27th or 28th. Right.
Neal Girandola (39:30)
What?
Okay. Well, why would they change the day? What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Android (39:56)
And
in the statements, they said that it actually happened on December 27th and December the 28th. Yeah. In his statement. Now he's the head guy. I mean, I saw the letter with him. No, these are the dates that they actually talking to the four guys because he got their statements. Their official statements were not given until later. Okay.
Neal Girandola (40:04)
Holt said that.
Right. But maybe he was mistaken on the dates.
Okay. Okay, but what does
that have to do with me deciding whether it's true or not? Okay. I'm excited. Yeah.
Android (40:23)
I'm not, I'm, there's more, there's more, okay?
Also in that statement, Burroughs later said that the lights were not a ship. It was actually from the lighthouse.
Neal Girandola (40:38)
Who said this burrows he's saying but he's also the one who said he lost time. But now he's saying now he's saying the light well who's who said they lost time.
Android (40:38)
and the only burros, burros.
That's not in the report. Now remember all of these guys, all
of these guys say they lost time in 1994. None of them in 1980. So this is later. I'm going to get there. I'm going to get there. No, this came out in 1994. And that wasn't from Burroughs. That was from Pennison. Pennison said Burroughs lost time in 1994. And guess what he was under.
Neal Girandola (40:58)
in the original report it didn't say they lost time
Okay, go ahead.
Mm. Mm.
Android (41:14)
Regressive
In 1994, Pennison went under regressive hypnosis. Yes, no, 14 years later after the incident, 1980, this is now 1994. 1994, right? And he said that he was the only one that saw the ship. No one else saw the ship. He was the only one that saw the
Neal Girandola (41:19)
That's seven or eight years later after the incident.
Oh, the 80, 80, right, right, right. Yes, yes, yes, yes, 14.
Android (41:36)
all that came out. right. Now here's what's interesting too. I told you about how Halt had his voice recorder, right? Do you know that there's four to five hours worth of recording on those tapes and they've only released 18 minutes of it and that was
So those 18 minutes were edited and Halt says he still has the tapes, but he won't release them.
Neal Girandola (41:58)
Why?
Android (41:58)
Don't know.
Don't know. He doesn't give a reason. Also, Halt came out later and said that the US government and the British government, at those two bases, were actually testing mine-altering drugs on people.
Neal Girandola (41:59)
It doesn't give a reason for not releasing them.
at that time.
Do you think they were high as F they were high as F going out into the woods.
Android (42:13)
Yep, in early 80s.
I'm not, I'm not, I'm not,
I'm not weighing in yet. I'm just giving you the facts of the stuff that I uncovered as I was going through.
Neal Girandola (42:22)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
there any facts that Burrow or Holt or, ⁓ Penison were taking those drugs? Yeah.
Android (42:30)
on mine altering drugs?
Would they remember if they were?
Neal Girandola (42:34)
Well, I mean, does there and there's no declassified document that came out that says that they may have been.
Android (42:38)
No,
no, no, come
Okay. So the marks on the trees, remember I told you that there were hatchet marks on the trees, ⁓
Neal Girandola (42:40)
Mmm.
Yes.
Android (42:47)
were actually marked by loggers in the area. They were cutting those trees down. The marks on the trees were actually to say these trees need to get cut.
There were no high levels of radiation. They went out there and they tested it and they said that,
Neal Girandola (43:02)
Well, well then why is it in the report that says that?
Android (43:05)
see, that was the thing. It was never in Holtz report. All this stuff came out after with Burroughs and Penison. None of that stuff was in Holtz report. The initial report did not talk about radiation. Remember the recording of Holtz is him saying, I see the lights. The lights are here. They're blue, they're red, they're green, they're yellow. They're changing.
They appear and then they disappear and they appear and then they disappear. OK.
Neal Girandola (43:28)
Okay. All right.
Android (43:31)
Remember the animals that were
All the animals that were
Neal Girandola (43:32)
Yeah, the animals were hysterical
Android (43:35)
were like so scared. The animals were so scared.
Neal Girandola (43:35)
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
That's a lot of birds. Yeah.
Android (43:46)
You hear? No.
Do know what that is? That's a that's a munchack deer.
Neal Girandola (43:50)
That sounds like a fox or something.
Android (43:54)
that are actually live in that area. And they do that. The locals hear that scream all the time.
Neal Girandola (43:59)
Let me hear it again.
Let me hear it again. Let hear it again.
Mm-hmm. Keep going.
Android (44:18)
Okay.
Neal Girandola (44:18)
I
mean, that would scare me. In the middle of the night, 2 a.m. in the morning in the woods after seeing lights coming down and I'm high as fuck on some drugs that the base gave me. Yeah, that would scare me. Sure.
Android (44:20)
Okay.
on some LSD probably right? A mind altering drug?
um, that's a common sound in that area. Yeah. Those deers are in the area. The locals, they talk to the locals about animals screaming and they're like, yeah, those are just the deer. They scream all the time.
Neal Girandola (44:34)
Wait, what are you saying though? That that that's a common sound that munchack dear, but you're
Wait,
is that what you played for us? Something that, peniston recorded?
Android (44:50)
No, no, no, that's just a recording of the deer to give you an example of the screaming. Remember they said they heard screaming. That was the screaming they heard, or the deers.
Neal Girandola (44:56)
Yeah, yeah, but yeah, then you can't answer that
into evidence. You can't enter that into evidence. That is not a recording that he took. How do you know that that's the sound we heard in the woods all that night?
Android (45:06)
because they said they heard screaming and the locals came forward afterwards.
Neal Girandola (45:08)
So you're just saying that
it's that you're you're deciding on your own I thought we were gonna listen to the actual recording of the sound you can't wait a minute. I got it I got some sounds you can listen to ⁓ This is what they are you can't do that retract retract that retract that
Android (45:13)
Dare say... No, no, that's the recording of a Manchuk here.
Okay. All right. So, okay. All right. So we got to throw out the evidence that
I'm not going to retract it because those deer live in that area and that's the sound they make.
Neal Girandola (45:32)
⁓ I don't care!
I don't care you're making up that that's what it sounds like!
Android (45:37)
so they don't have recording.
Neal Girandola (45:37)
That may be how the
deer sounds, but that's not the sound that they're describing.
Android (45:42)
they said they heard screaming animals that sounds like a screaming fucking animal to me I don't know listeners what do you think should I play it again that you can hear
Neal Girandola (45:43)
my god. ⁓ my god.
Yeah, alright, alright. I am not taking that proof into this decision. I can't.
Android (45:54)
Okay. Don't take that as part of your evidence, but take this as
part of your evidence, right? In 2018, SAS troopers, you know what SAS troopers are British special forces, right? They said that they were sent to test the security of that
Neal Girandola (45:59)
Mm-hmm.
sure. Yeah, sure. Yeah, yeah.
Android (46:09)
and they, and they dropped into that area at night.
Neal Girandola (46:09)
The secure they had to test the security of it. Okay.
Undetected.
Android (46:17)
undetected, but then they were caught and they said that they got roughed up a little bit until they discovered until they told them who they were. Now this is just hearsay. This is what some SAS troopers said. They could have been high as shit too. We don't know, but they said that
Neal Girandola (46:24)
Mm-hmm.
Mm.
What if they
drug the entire base and everybody was just freaking out? Yeah. Yeah.
Android (46:34)
has gassed them. They just gassed them, right?
So let's talk about Penison's notebook. All right? And I said that was 2010 that he always had with him, right? And 2010 is when he showed the binary code, right? Okay. Do you know that he did an interview in 2003? Seven years prior to that.
Neal Girandola (46:41)
Yeah. That he always had with him.
Mm-hmm.
Android (46:56)
where he showed the same notebook because he showed the images of the ship that he drew. Did he just forget that the binary code was in the back of that notebook? Like he didn't bother the thumb through it all. He's like, I'm just going to show them these three first three pages. Here you go, guys. These are the first three pages of what I did. No, no. And then in 2010, he came back and said he forgot.
Neal Girandola (47:12)
What did he show that he didn't show the binary code?
But he didn't know it was binary code.
He didn't know it was binary code.
Android (47:24)
Okay. So he didn't know it was binary code, but he didn't show them all the ones and zeros and stuff that was downloaded into his head that he felt sick until he fricking wrote it down.
Neal Girandola (47:32)
But he came back and said that he forgot to show you show us.
Android (47:35)
seven years
later he came back and said yeah hey here's this code these numbers that I wrote down I don't know what they mean now here's what's interesting too the code was in English
Neal Girandola (47:47)
code was in in okay I get you
Android (47:49)
And it's ASCII character
in 19
Neal Girandola (47:51)
Yeah, ask a,
Android (47:53)
So in ASCII character set in 1980s, ASCII was seven bit.
But this code that he showed in 2010 was actually done in eight bit. Could it be a future code?
Don't know. Possibly.
Neal Girandola (48:07)
Okay, all right,
Android (48:10)
the people process the code, the people who took the code and processed it, they actually took some liberations with the translation because the translation that he said gave coordinates, gave no coordinates.
Neal Girandola (48:08)
mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Well, how did he know what it gave when he didn't know it was even binary code until someone deciphered it for
How would he say it's coordinates?
Android (48:29)
Right, but the people, it was
later deciphered and it had no coordinates in it. So the people that deciphered it made up these coordinates.
Neal Girandola (48:39)
Okay, but this is someone so someone deciphered it and then a different person decifers it.
Android (48:40)
Okay.
Right, right.
So that was, that was 2003, actually 2010 when he said the code was downloaded into his head. Right.
Neal Girandola (48:52)
Yeah, yeah.
Android (48:53)
and remember he said that there was a flash of light and then his consciousness went a little bit out in and out, right. And then the code was like put into his head and then he was sick until he put out the code. No, no, no, this is later. This was under regressive hypnosis.
Neal Girandola (49:00)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He didn't say that that night in the report that he wrote. This was all years later. I think that's really what your point
is. Your point is that all of this stuff comes out years later,
also have to take into account that this is military. So this all of it's classified. So he couldn't talk about
So maybe he was told by a whole to not to put it in the report.
Android (49:26)
Right,
right. Now that's a valid point, but here's another valid point. He did his regressive hypnosis in 1994. In 1993, there was an ex-file. In 93, which is a year before 1994, there was an ex-file's episode that aired called The Conduit.
Neal Girandola (49:35)
Mm-hmm.
That's 11 years later. Yeah.
Hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Android (49:50)
In that episode, a guy touches an alien ship and code is downloaded into his head. And can you guess what the code was?
Neal Girandola (50:00)
binary
Android (50:01)
No, protect the planet. Clean the planet. was binary.
Neal Girandola (50:08)
Our listeners are like, we're all saying binary code at the same time and then you throw us this. ⁓
Android (50:15)
Okay. So, that's it. That's, that's all I got for you. mean, and then years after he mentions the binary code in 2010, but in 94, he talked about this code being downloaded in his head from the ship and he wrote it. Okay.
Neal Girandola (50:19)
Yeah, but but you know what?
Yeah, okay. All right,
so Andrew, do you think this is a mostly true alien story or not? Based on all this information.
Android (50:36)
You know what's really sad is that when I started researching this, I was like, there is sadness to it. was sad, you know, because I'm, I'm the non-believer, right?
Neal Girandola (50:40)
Wait, there's a sadness to this there's a sadness to this okay, yeah Yeah,
yeah
Android (50:48)
I started researching this and I started digging into it and in the beginnings of it, I was like, man, this is so freaking cool, right? Time lapse. Nobody's really going to believe him. He's saying all this stuff. And then I start digging and digging and then I find a body and I keep digging and I find another body. So after all of my
Neal Girandola (50:55)
Mm-hmm.
Android (51:08)
my answer is no, this is not a mostly true alien
the lights were actually the lighthouse because there were two other guys that they don't talk about that talked about the lights from the ⁓ lighthouse through the trees would actually pulse look like they were pulsing because they were on a cycle of five seconds and then they would go out and then it would come back on again because it's alerting ships to the coast halt found that out after
Neal Girandola (51:31)
Yep.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Android (51:44)
And remember, all of these guys that were there were all really young. They were all super young and they had never been anywhere before. This was for the first time in England. yeah,
Neal Girandola (51:54)
Sure. This is our big adventure.
Android (51:57)
Pee-wees, big adventure.
Neal Girandola (51:59)
So you're but you're not saying that they made it up. You're saying they misinterpreted it or they're riding an opportunity.
Android (52:03)
They misinterpreted,
they misinterpreted the lighthouse as a spaceship. And then they probably were on some sort of hallucinogens or something and just made up this shit. Yeah. I'm going drugs.
Neal Girandola (52:15)
So you are going there. You're saying that maybe they're on hallucinogens, but you're not saying
that their story changed. You're thinking that they misinterpreted it and then years later, are they trying to capitalize on it? They trying to make money on it?
Android (52:25)
It could be,
yeah, and it could be the effects of the drugs. Later.
Neal Girandola (52:29)
Yeah,
they're all still
most of them
Android (52:32)
Um,
I think so. I think so. Yeah. Yeah. They're probably still alive, but they were 20 in 1980. They're still alive.
Neal Girandola (52:35)
Probably, right? 80, 84, yeah. Yeah.
Android (52:42)
No. Yeah. They'd be 65.
Neal Girandola (52:41)
All right. So you're saying it's
you're saying it's not a mostly true alien story.
Android (52:45)
No,
it's not a mostly true story. It's a great story. I love the story. And I really wanted it to be true. And I was believing it. I was like, what the? And then I start reading. And I'm like, what? And you know what? The dates being wrong doesn't bother me. The statements bother me. The facts bother me. Look, if I was on TV and I had a notebook that I had written down all this stuff in shapes of the things, you're not going to miss the 00100 in the back. Come on.
Neal Girandola (52:52)
Amen.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Okay.
You're not going to miss that.
That would be
the that's what you lead with.
That's you lead with. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You would have led with that in 1984.
Android (53:15)
Yeah, dude, I don't know what this is. ⁓ that's binary code. Well, what's binary code?
Yes, I would have led with that in 1980. I would have gone right to Holt and said, this code was put, something's happening, dude. I'm getting sick. I'm not feeling good. So that's it.
Neal Girandola (53:28)
Yeah, this is the shit. Okay. All right. All right. All
right. So you say it's not a mostly true alien story. It's my turn to weigh in and I will be honest with you. I many times I go into these stories when I research them and I not that I am easily taken into these because I want these to be true. It but for the most part, I start off thinking that every story we're going to
is a mostly true alien story.
I will say even coming into this today, I was like, I know this story. I've seen this story. I've read the story. I've been into this story many times.
And I believe it was a mostly true alien story until you laid out some of this stuff. ⁓ this is a lot of this information was new that I hadn't
I I'm not buying into the hallucination stuff. I don't
I don't know. think that's a stretch to be able to do that in 80 in 1980 to be able to get away with that. I know, but to be able to get away with that even late 60s, they could get away with anything. 80s in the military is a little more difficult, I think. ⁓ and then as we get to present time, now we're back to they can get away with
Android (54:25)
Dude, they were doing LSD in the 60s. No, they were doing that stuff in the 60s,
Neal Girandola (54:41)
But I think during that time, I think it's a little, yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know if it's. Yeah. Yeah.
Android (54:43)
not in the eighties, not in the eighties, sixties, sometimes in the seventies, never in the nineties,
two thousands no, but now yes.
Neal Girandola (54:51)
No.
Yeah. Maybe, maybe Pennison was involved in that maybe and the other guys were not, but I could see how they get caught up in it and thinking that one thing could be another, but based on the information that you shared with me, I have to take that into account. And I think, uh, this is not a mostly true alien story.
yeah, I think it's a very cool story as well. And I'm a little disappointed just on the information you shared.
that made me think that this is not a mostly true alien story.
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Be kind to the aliens when they get here. Thanks, Andrew. Good job.
Android (55:49)
Thanks, Theo. Bye.
Neal Girandola (55:50)
Can't wait to see that fight with you and Greer on Christmas Day.
Android (55:53)
Dude, Greer, doesn't stand a chance, bruh. Doesn't stand a freaking chance.
Neal Girandola (55:59)
Alright y'all, we'll see you later.