Neal Girandola (00:00)
Two military friends go camping in a state park and wake up miles
disoriented, sunburned, and with hours of missing
later, an X-ray revealed something shocking. A tiny piece of metal buried deep in his
when a strange memory became a terrifying
Today, we're diving into the Devil's Den alien
It's one of the most chilling abduction cases ever
you believe?
Let's get into
to another episode of Mostly True
Alien Stories.
Neal Girandola (00:49)
Welcome back to Mostly True Alien Stories, the show where we share a true report of an alien encounter in
then we decide whether it's mostly
or not. I'm Neil Girodola and with me is my co-host and fellow alien armchair
Andrew Triana. Hi, Andrew.
Android (01:08)
Hi Neil, good morning.
Neal Girandola (01:09)
just want to remind everyone, like we do every episode, I will lay out the report as it is written. Then Andrew
is going to fill in the details and the two of us are going to weigh in on whether we think this really
if there was something else going on. Isn't that right,
And I want to remind,
Android (01:24)
That's right,
Neal Girandola (01:25)
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Andrew, you know, before we get into our story today, there's, there's a lot of, a lot of things that happened over the weekend that I wanted a good, I know, you know what though? I definitely, because,
Android (01:41)
I know, it's scary.
Neal Girandola (01:47)
we talked about it last week, it's the, meteorite, the alien.
meteorite alien that landed in the yard. There's an update to this now.
I'm like obsessed with this, this dude. I don't even know what he's saying. He's I, it turns out, I guess he's in, I don't know, Panama or I don't know. Guadalupe
Android (02:06)
I think he's in
Neal Girandola (02:08)
He's in Peru. That's it. That's
But,
the alien has grown for those of you, if you haven't heard this story, this is guy's meteorite land his
and there was a fire in his backyard and from in where the meteorite landed, it was a rock and they took this little rock and he, and then, yeah, like that big. now it's grown into this huge
Android (02:22)
It's like this big.
Neal Girandola (02:27)
and he, he had it in a plate covered with it, like a cake plate cover. And then it got, it got too big. And then he moved it to a safe. had a safe in his room.
Android (02:32)
with a leaf.
Neal Girandola (02:37)
he put it in his little black safe and then it got too big. he actually.
The next video I saw he's dragging in one of those
floor freezers. No, those floor, you know, those box freezers, his big box freezer. put meat in, but he's going to put it in there because you can think that you can control it. I don't know just to keep it
Android (02:44)
kennels. ⁓
Why? Like, why would you put it? Why?
Neal Girandola (02:56)
and because it's grown into this big black sort of stringy sort of thing. And every time he shows a video of it, it's like, looks like it's breathing.
know, it's all, it's all those
it was funny too, because some of the videos
Like it went from very clear videos to then all of sudden they're
went back to the 70s to some old camera. don't know. I don't know what he was using, but you can barely see what he's showing
Android (03:17)
he
brought out the old, what is it, the 15, 20, 20 millimeter film or whatever it was. Five millimeters.
Neal Girandola (03:22)
Yeah, it was just weird. It
got darker and darker. But now it apparently it's gotten too big for him to handle. ⁓ And so no, no, no, no, no, no, he's he he has decided to
Android (03:29)
you
Yeah, he's gonna have give it to the zoo, probably, right? No?
Neal Girandola (03:38)
set it
So he took it
Android (03:39)
that's good.
Neal Girandola (03:41)
he took it in. He took it back into his backwoods sort of lake.
Android (03:41)
good.
That's what you do. That's what you do.
Neal Girandola (03:46)
like back where woods canal lake area.
Like has dilapidated huts or bar. I couldn't make it out, but it was that he's like, it's in this swampy watery
he's going to let it go. And he, you know, he doesn't show you him putting it in the water, but the next shot
in the water. And then it was just sort of floating
sort of sad and sort of sad and dramatic. And it was just so
Android (04:11)
The alien was sad.
Neal Girandola (04:12)
I mean, I don't know if they, I couldn't tell if he was trying to say it's dead.
drowned it or if it's
I mean because I listen he did a terrific job with
really crude shot everything every video he made and the stories he's telling the way you know the shaky
now to letting it go I mean people are commenting he's getting thousands and thousands and thousands of views on these but he puts it up and people are commenting and like ⁓
Android (04:35)
Yeah, it's so wild, yeah.
Neal Girandola (04:40)
Like they felt bad for the alien because the alien they let him go in the lake
Android (04:42)
Well, think
about it. He's been his friend this whole time, right? For the last two weeks and the only person that he could trust.
Neal Girandola (04:46)
Your husband.
Android (04:49)
was waiting to hear like music with this.
This is like Audrey, right? But it would be in
Neal Girandola (04:52)
It really is. is, yeah.
What would that sound like?
Android (05:00)
Instead
feed me, see more feed me.
Neal Girandola (05:01)
I got you. I got you.
Yeah. I'll make sure there's English subtitles under that when we put this out.
Android (05:12)
Give me food, give me food, it's night
Neal Girandola (05:17)
Wow. You
really should write this. You should collaborate with him.
the really if this was real, if this was really truly an alien kind of thing, he did a great job of the grew grew, but in the water, it would really the next step would be now it populates in the no no, you know, just now it's going to populate in the swamp. And then we're going to have these swamp aliens that are going to come and now attack us, which is
Android (05:32)
Why didn't you shoot it?
⁓ That's gonna impregnate people.
Neal Girandola (05:43)
I'm hoping he goes there with that.
the
next video is there's a knock on his door and he opens it and the alien's
What'd you put me in the water for? Yeah.
Android (05:50)
And then it just goes black. It just fades to black.
there's that whole folklore or whatever of the face peelers in Peru, the alien face peelers that are
it's.
Neal Girandola (06:00)
wait, is
that that thing where they, but there was people trying to, there were, they were terrorizing towns cause they wanted people to move out. So it was actually a group that was doing this. They were putting on masks. They were coming in and scaring people. Yeah. Right. That's not true.
Android (06:07)
Yes.
Yeah, yeah. But maybe it's real now.
Neal Girandola (06:14)
Of all these fake alien stories out there, though, this one's one of my favorites.
Android (06:17)
This one's.
Neal Girandola (06:18)
also, another big news, over the weekend. ⁓ you know your boy Nacho Rojo from the Buga Sphere They're talking about the Buga Sphere right now. Not Nacho- No, no, no, but Nacho-
Android (06:25)
⁓ not not sure Libre natural.
Neal Girandola (06:29)
Nacho Rojo-
who was the guy who was part of the big Buga Sphere conference. He was the one who was brought in to prove that you could not pull the spear with a drone. Yeah, he's that
Android (06:36)
Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Do it with a drone. Right. Right.
Neal Girandola (06:43)
Anyway, he has a podcast. I think it's called the Verdata Culta or something like that. I don't know if I'm saying that right,
apparently got a very, very early or late morning call early morning.
in a wee hours, he says from Jaime Masson and Steven Greer to tell him that they carbon tested. got the results back from the carbon testing of the Buga Sphere and it is dating back.
Android (07:00)
From who? Jaime and his son?
⁓ Both of them. ⁓ Right? Right? A salad
bowl to
Neal Girandola (07:14)
No, no,
back
to no 12,560 years
That's ice age era. And it's the that's like before the great pyramids.
Android (07:25)
Dude, that's the oldest salad bowl ever.
Neal Girandola (07:28)
It really, really is. But you know, they did this carbon dating on it and they you can't carbon date
So they had to pull they're saying that the black resin on there is what they tested, which was caught in the seams of the
Android (07:41)
Right,
Neal Girandola (07:42)
it only works on biogenic material. So that means it had to be like from like tree sap or something that's within the
Android (07:44)
Right.
Neal Girandola (07:51)
And and so
You know, that's what they're, they said they tested. even
a minifera, which I didn't know what this was. had to look it up. It's a
Android (07:59)
part of an affair.
Neal Girandola (08:00)
Yeah. It's microscopic sea creatures. said that that's involved in, and I don't know if I lost it in translation, that yes,
Android (08:05)
Are those the ones flying it?
sea monkeys, I
Neal Girandola (08:11)
That's what it is. And they fly.
Android (08:11)
Because those are prehistoric.
And they built a ship, I heard. And that's it.
Neal Girandola (08:16)
Yeah. Well, you know what?
I think I think what they're trying to
setting the stage to say,
Android (08:23)
They've been here
Neal Girandola (08:25)
not not not only that, but but if that's only the for a minute, Farah would be from the ocean. So they're trying to say that this thing is also can go into water and it came out from there and it was been 12 and it's alien tech from that long ago. And this is what I think they're trying to set us up for that. And also by saying they did this test, the carbon testing.
Android (08:32)
Right.
⁓ wow.
Okay.
Neal Girandola (08:47)
like the grand finale of testing, right of anything ancient.
You know, this is the things that I think if you want to you want to date back. Yeah. So how do you argue
Android (08:52)
Right, they always want a carbon date. Yeah.
Neal Girandola (08:55)
I mean, it hasn't been peer reviewed. No one's really seen the no one's really no other group. The University of Georgia is the one that did the test, but that I don't know.
Android (09:05)
Have they
come forward to say that they did? Or is this Shihamim Hassan saying, we sent it to Georgia?
Neal Girandola (09:08)
So I, yeah,
that's right. But I don't know. They had that. I've seen these reports surfacing. Like I've seen like the copy of the document of saying what it is and how old it is, but you know, you don't know where that came from. You don't know how that was made or what that came from. But I'm listen, I, I, my point of this is now it's they're back in the limelight with this. You know, this is the oldest, this is the first piece of alien tech that's been dated back.
Android (09:32)
Right, of course.
Well,
right, Yeah. So these were pre pre aliens.
Neal Girandola (09:37)
12,500 years during the ice age during the before pyramids before you know all of the life actually I Mean they're they're going
big they're swinging for the fucking fence here on this one
Android (09:50)
you hear today what they said? The transcription they
Neal Girandola (09:54)
Today.
Android (09:54)
today. It just came out. That's what I was so excited that you were going to tell me. Cause I have
have the
Neal Girandola (09:58)
What is
Android (09:58)
says
Neal Girandola (09:58)
What is it?
Android (09:59)
made the salad? Who made the salad?
Neal Girandola (10:00)
You
Android (10:03)
and seven C's.
Neal Girandola (10:05)
Wow! That's some serious branding from 7C's.
Android (10:07)
Yeah. What? Dude,
that was the first it was the first marketing campaign for salad dressing because it was a huge salad bowl that they put together. Inside is lettuce, I think.
Neal Girandola (10:13)
Brilliant.
Yeah. You know what? think you're, I think you're
onto something for, for marketing and branding. These companies should be making alien tech and just like put it out there. Oh, look what we found. Yeah.
Android (10:24)
just spheres and just flying around. Yeah, look,
we've been around forever. Don't tell me Pepsi.
Neal Girandola (10:29)
McDonald's!
That's the way to go.
I don't
I'm still skeptic of this, but I think that's what they're setting us up for. It is alien tech during the ice, during the ice
they couldn't test the metal and they couldn't test the tech.
Android (10:45)
Why can't they test the metal? Right. ⁓
Neal Girandola (10:46)
But so they got a little resin something within the grooves of the sphere. And that's what they tested. Then that's what went back to 12,500
years, just to be clear. But it really is a
to
All right, let's get into today's story. Are you ready for
Android (11:01)
I am ready.
Neal Girandola (11:02)
it's one of those camping trips gone terrifyingly wrong kind of stories. Speaking of X-rays, it's got X-rays in this story. It's got memory blocks, military silence, and a triangle-shaped
Android (11:09)
with beer?
Yep.
Neal Girandola (11:19)
size of a football field. We get that one a lot.
Android (11:21)
Yeah, it's huge
Neal Girandola (11:23)
it was 1977. It takes place in Devil's Den State Park,
It was supposed to be a weekend escape. Terry Lovelace and his friend Toby were both serving in the US Air Force at the time.
And they were stationed at Whiteman Air Force base in
they shared a love for the outdoors and they liked photography
And a mutual desire to get off base away from the noise of military life and into some remote wilderness. So,
Android (11:54)
I love it.
Neal Girandola (11:55)
in June of 77, they packed up a beat up old car. Apparently they loaded in cameras and gear snacks, and they headed the devil's den state park.
Android (12:04)
you
Neal Girandola (12:05)
Which
is a heavily forested rocky stretch of Northwest
they didn't camp at the designated site apparently. According to this report. That's right. Instead they hiked deep into the restricted
Android (12:13)
No, they went to another place, of course. Right.
Neal Girandola (12:17)
It was restricted. It was isolated ridge with a panoramic view and it was chosen specifically because it was far away from anyone else. And that was intentional. They wanted silence, solitude, and they ended up getting more than that.
recording this. Yes,
yes. This is like, broke back aliens. The beginning of broke back
Android (12:38)
instead.
Neal Girandola (12:38)
I ain't quitting you.
Android (12:39)
You waited plant me.
Neal Girandola (12:41)
right on the first night the first night of their camping trip was sort of uneventful regular night of
second night though not so much because as the Sun began to set the two men noticed strange lights on the horizon and there were three bright stars in a triangle Formation and they were hovering silently in the dusky
as the light faded the triangle got bigger and then it descended
And according to lovelace, the object was massive. It was a city block wide, he later said, and completely silent. And it floated above the treetops. Then it hovered right over their campsite. And that's when it all changed. Both men reported feeling a wave of paralysis, not pain, not fear as reported, but a kind of forced stillness like being sedated while fully awake.
Android (13:24)
Silent.
Neal Girandola (13:37)
the forest around them went dead silent. There were no bugs, no birds, no wind. We've heard this before. But even if-
Android (13:43)
Yeah, we always hear that, right. No robot with a jaw
and opening and fog and none of that.
Neal Girandola (13:48)
Even a couple episodes
ago, we were talking about the Pentarch ⁓ incident where in Wales where the same triangle thing and it was per out cause paralysis, you know, all of that.
Android (13:52)
Right.
Yep. Yep.
Neal Girandola (14:01)
so then came the light a blue beam that shined down from the center of the triangle and engulfed their entire tent. And after
there was nothing. It was just blackness. And that was it. And the next thing you know, they both wake up hours later and they're lying inside this
the tent, but everything felt sort of wrong. Their watches had
campfire
Android (14:22)
their butt hurts.
Neal Girandola (14:23)
The campfire was cold. It burned down to the embers and both men were
as if they had been lying under a UV light for hours.
Android (14:31)
Yeah.
Neal Girandola (14:35)
Toby, the other guy seemed shaken. He didn't want to talk about anything.
and Terry felt physically
And then they noticed something strange. Both men had puncture marks on their bodies, geometric in shape. They were patterned that like they had been part of some sort of medical experiment perhaps. But the next morning without a word, they packed up. They drove back in silence.
this peaceful retreat had turned into sort of this trauma that neither of them could really
right. So now they, they returned to the base and Terry went to the ER and he had x-rays taken of his injuries, but that's about it. That's where it came, you know, that's where it ended. And, uh, but it actually, the whole mystery of the story got a little deeper because now we go to 2012. from 1977, yeah. Yeah.
Android (15:25)
40 years later, yeah, basically 40 years later.
Neal Girandola (15:27)
Terry Lovelace was having his leg x-rayed for a completely unrelated reason. And the technician asked him if he had ever had metallic implants in his leg because the technician had seen something that was odd. Terry said he had not. And the doctor then showed him the scan and revealed a small metallic object, which was embedded in his thigh. And it was surrounded by nerve endings as if the body had accepted the object.
and like it had belonged there for you know, whatever reason. So then the further scans they showed no scarring, there was no incision site, and there was Terry had no explanation for it and he did the doctors. So that discovery sent Terry into a spiral of recovered memories, he says he had night terrors and
I guess he began talking about what happened at Devil's Den.
Android (16:20)
Right.
Neal Girandola (16:23)
in his 2018 book, he wrote a book called the incident that was done. And then he claimed he and Toby had been abducted by the occupants of that triangular craft. And he recalled being taken aboard and examined and being surrounded by strange beings. were tall, thin figures who never spoke, but they said they moved with intention and precision. And then he also remembered something else.
There were children present, or at least what looked like human children to him. They were lined up in these observation rooms. And he said it felt like almost like a hybrid program or some kind of biological experiment involving human DNA. lot going on in there. So now after the
both men experienced decades of these psychological issues. Apparently Terry developed a deep fear of the night sky.
life reportedly completely fell apart. He has substance abuse issues, job instability, and eventually just total estrangement. think he and Terry kind of just didn't talk anymore. But Terry meanwhile,
He stayed quiet for decades. He was a practicing attorney. He's married with kids. He's never spoke about what happened until the implant discovery happened in 2012. And, that's of course, when the flood gates all
Android (17:38)
Yeah.
Neal Girandola (17:47)
then since going public, Terry has, he has spoken at UFO conferences. He appeared on numerous podcasts. He worked with researchers studying non-human implants and memory suppression and experience her trauma, which is pretty good. He's trying to make something of
he does believe that they were conducting long term biological monitoring on him and that's why he may have had this implant in him since 77. Alright,
Android (18:09)
The end point.
Neal Girandola (18:13)
physical evidence was ever recovered from the campsite. should be mentioned. the implant, according to some researchers, emitted electromagnetic signals when tested. I don't know what happened to the implant. I didn't find anything about it. but Terry believes he and Toby were chosen, not randomly, but because they were isolated military connected
Android (18:17)
Right.
Neal Girandola (18:31)
and,
suited to be test subjects. So that's interesting thought on that. That's all I have on this. And Andrew, I know, ⁓
You've been digging into this one. So from Terry's time in the military to the implant to some of the
theories around memory suppression and
I'm going to hand it over to you and you help us piece this one together. And do you think this is a mostly true alien story over to you, Andrew?
Android (18:57)
Let's dig in.
So you mentioned the first night, nothing really happened, right? Second night around 9 PM. They were drinking some beer and Toby told Terry, shh, listen, it's quiet,
the lights in the sky.
Neal Girandola (19:08)
were definitely they were definitely drinking
Android (19:11)
drinking beer. That was mentioned. That's what I found that they were drinking beer. Yeah. And they were drinking Pabst blue ribbon.
Neal Girandola (19:11)
Like that was mentioned. That's what you found. Okay. Man, you really dive deep.
It's carbon dated to 12,500 years ago. Drink Pabst Blue Ribbon. It's the oldest beer around.
Android (19:29)
Today's show is also sponsored by Peps Blue Ribbon, the beer of champions and aliens.
Neal Girandola (19:33)
Aliens.
Android (19:35)
Okay. So they said that everything went quiet, right? And the ship came out of like nowhere and it said it moved extremely fast, flew across the sky, flew back. And then it kind of started approaching them, right?
Flew past them, came back and then a bright white light.
Neal Girandola (19:48)
you say it flew past them and then came back? Okay.
Android (19:55)
over them, right? And then it went dark.
Neal Girandola (19:56)
Mm hmm. Yeah.
Oh, shut off. Okay. Okay.
Android (20:00)
shut off.
Then this blue what what Terry described as a blue laser started like scanning the area. Right.
Neal Girandola (20:08)
my god, that's
Android (20:10)
Then complete darkness again.
were
Neal Girandola (20:12)
they were messing with
Android (20:14)
messing with them. were like, hey, turn on the blue light now. Turn it on. That's good. Okay, let's just sit here.
Neal Girandola (20:18)
Yeah. Now shut it off! Shut it off! Real quick.
Turn it on!
Android (20:25)
No. Okay. So here's the funniest thing that I found in this story, right? After
said, show's over. We might as well go to bed.
they went into the tent and went to sleep.
Neal Girandola (20:37)
Why would they didn't go and investigate?
That's weird.
Is this is this Terry's account? He said that's what Toby said. It's just all right. It goes over.
Android (20:41)
then while they were sleeping, this is Terry's account. Toby said, said Toby's
Toby said shows over and went back to their tent to go to sleep. Now they said possibly the lights, the bright lights and the blue laser started acting as some sort of calming, ⁓ agent on them, calming them down. they weren't panicked.
Neal Girandola (21:06)
kind of made me tired.
I weren't panicked.
Android (21:09)
Yeah, they weren't tannic.
They weren't like, my God, what was that? They were just like, ⁓ right. Right. So the next thing that happens is they went to sleep, but Terry said he wasn't asleep for very long. And when he woke up, he wasn't in the tent.
Neal Girandola (21:12)
They're also military. They're also military. So they may have been overly sensitive to that. Maybe I don't
Terry
Android (21:28)
Terry wasn't in the tent. He woke up lying naked on a rubber floor. His clothes were stacked on top of him,
him, he couldn't move. He said there was a smell of chemicals and his throat burned. He started to panic. Then he heard a woman
His eyes started to focus and the room was huge. He said it was like he was inside of a stadium. That's how big he described it, right? He looked right.
Neal Girandola (21:52)
Where was Toby?
Android (21:56)
and he saw other people and then on the left, he saw spacecrafts. So he was like in this huge, imagine he's he's butt ass naked, laying on the floor on a rubber mat and over here to his left is spaceships and over to his right are a bunch of people.
Neal Girandola (22:11)
Well, remember, he did describe the ship to be a city block the size of it. So so there's all kinds of stuff going on in
Android (22:17)
Yeah, it's huge. Yeah. Yep.
Neal Girandola (22:21)
They got a mall. They got like probably a little, you know, par three in there that they could do a little putt putt and, know, we got theater. Yeah, they got theater. We got a little theater.
Android (22:26)
Right.
Yeah, they got a driving rage. heard that it's like Topgolf inside. It's like Topgolf. It's all like,
yep, he's on the aliens doing the show. They were dancing and stuff, right? Then he saw grays in flight suits moving quickly around. He said they were moving kind of like robots. And this is where it gets freaky.
Neal Girandola (22:37)
Yeah, there's a bar.
Okay.
Android (22:51)
saw humans in beige flight suits with orange ranked insignias.
as if they were part of the cruise. And he was trying to get the, he was trying to get the human's attention and then they walked him. I am like, they just didn't care.
Neal Girandola (23:00)
Humans though.
you think maybe they
were like high no like hybrid like humans like ⁓
Android (23:06)
brainwashed or hybrids? I don't know. He said they were humans. He said that they were humans. He said, then a large pink-skinned
alien about six feet tall walked in and started staring at him. And it began reading his mind, pulling memories from him. said, he felt like he was like his soul was being sucked out of his body. Right? He said it was then a group of grays picked him up.
Neal Girandola (23:22)
just stared at him.
Mm.
Android (23:35)
And they carried him down a hallway. And in the hallway, as he was walking down the hallway, he said there were large glass tanks like aquariums,
Some with creatures inside. Most of them were empty. He said, and then they brought him to a white room and they placed him on a table.
Neal Girandola (23:47)
Hmm.
Was a white party?
Android (23:51)
He said, and then they took out this big vial of white powder and they put it down and they gave him a credit card and they
snort all this Coke or we're going to probe you. So he started snorting like, he was like, I can't do anymore. His nose is bleeding. He's like, do it, do it. The pink one was like, that pink one was like this guy parties, man. No. So they put them on the
Neal Girandola (24:02)
You
Yeah.
The aliens came to party.
Damn. I wait, I want to
back up to the pink guy, the six foot tall pink guy that was ⁓ extracting
Android (24:18)
Yeah.
Neal Girandola (24:20)
what purpose does that serve?
Android (24:22)
I think he's trying to read him how freaked out he is.
Neal Girandola (24:26)
Yeah, but for why? What are they gonna accomplish with that? What is it? Maybe they're testing them to use them for something.
Android (24:29)
I don't know. Maybe they're going to well, maybe. Maybe he's well,
possibly. Maybe he's reading his thoughts so that if they make a bioengineered human of him, they'll have his essence or whatever that they can put into that. I don't know. It's kind of weird though, right? He was pink.
Neal Girandola (24:44)
Yeah. ⁓
Yeah, and I would I would just that's where I would go is like, where how do we explain why would an alien do that? What is it? What's the purpose unless they're just it's just training maybe just to see he's our soldier going forward and you know, he will may not know it now but in the future, we're gonna need him. I don't know. All right, so go ahead.
Android (25:02)
Right?
said so the table felt warm. And he put him on. He said but it didn't feel warm like it was a heated table. He said it felt warm like there was somebody on the table prior to him being there. That's creepy, right?
Neal Girandola (25:08)
Mm.
already been there. They were
just going around picking up campers at Devil's Den all night.
it is creepy. I mean if you think about that, but but if you let me just harp on this one it is If you're if that's the feeling you got that you were laying in somebody else's bed, know what I mean that for that moment That's just we like you or you know, you get into your beds warm. That's weird. All right, so good
Android (25:23)
⁓ you ready for, you want more creepy?
That's right, right? Yeah.
two nine foot tall praying mantis looking aliens entered. The bug heads, right? Then he's surrounded by grays and they roll him over on his
Neal Girandola (25:50)
I love these guys. love the brain mantis. I love these guys.
wait before you get into the mantis and the grays
do they work to you right the grays or the grunts right the mantises are the smart guys yeah
Android (26:03)
Yeah, I think that. Yeah, I think so. And the pink guy must be the super smart
Neal Girandola (26:07)
must be really smart
Android (26:08)
Yeah, he's super
So the mantis starts operating on his lower
said the pain was unbearable and he tried to scream out, but nothing came out like no sound, which we've heard before. There's no sound. You know
Neal Girandola (26:13)
What the shit?
Yeah.
Android (26:22)
in space, no one can hear you scream.
Neal Girandola (26:22)
a nightmare.
Android (26:26)
You know that's from the original alien that was on the original movie poster for alien in space. No one can hear you scream. ⁓ so good. Okay. So one of the mantis seemed annoyed by him screaming and he spoke to him telepathically and he said, you know, we don't hurt you. We're going to take you back down.
Neal Girandola (26:29)
⁓ that's right. That's right. That was the greatest movie ever.
Android (26:47)
the mantis tapped him on his forehead.
Neal Girandola (26:49)
Mm.
Android (26:50)
And everything went black.
And when he woke up, he was in the grass by the
So,
Neal Girandola (26:57)
Toby doing all this?
Android (26:58)
there. Toby's there
And in Terry's mind, are you ready for this? What he thought?
Well, at least they could have put us back in the tent.
Neal Girandola (27:05)
He's not
was he
Android (27:06)
Okay.
Neal Girandola (27:07)
on the grass?
Android (27:07)
He didn't say
whether he was naked or not. But guess what happened? Five grays appeared beside him grabbed him and threw him into the tent.
Neal Girandola (27:14)
those grades probably got in trouble by the pink guy. He's like, come on guys, not outside the tent. Put them back in there. Next to Toby where he was.
Android (27:22)
So he looks at his watch,
Neal Girandola (27:22)
Hmm.
Android (27:24)
And his watch had stopped at 12 a.m. Remember, this all started at 9 p.m. His watch had stopped at 12 a.m. But inside the tent, there was a clock. And that clock read 3 45.
Neal Girandola (27:28)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Wow, they were gone for a while.
Android (27:40)
Five hours, six hours. Okay. So he was like, where's the flashlight? Where's the flashlight? And Toby grabbed his hand and said,
Neal Girandola (27:41)
Six hours, yeah. That's a long time to be missing time.
Android (27:51)
and then Toby started crying.
Neal Girandola (27:52)
Wait, Toby said be quiet.
Android (27:54)
Be quiet and don't basically don't turn that flashlight on and shut up, Terry, right? Then Toby was crying. They heard footsteps. Then they saw they were like 22 years old. Their first time being in the camping together. They were scared.
Neal Girandola (27:58)
He got scared. He was really scared.
How old were they at this time? Okay.
Yeah.
I ain't quitting you.
Android (28:14)
anyway, so they heard footsteps outside, right? They saw what they looked like a bunch of kids running around in the
But they weren't kids. They were grays. Then Toby started crying again and he said, after they'd been returned,
Neal Girandola (28:23)
Shit
This was after they've been returned and they went
out to look outside and they see the grays running, scampering in the woods.
Android (28:33)
Yep. They went to look outside and clearing. see all these grades like
dancing all around the mulberry bush.
Neal Girandola (28:40)
They were
messing with them big
Android (28:44)
Toby started crying again and he said, they took us. They hurt us. They took us. They hurt us. He just kept saying that over and over and over again. Yeah. So they looked at each other, dude, and their faces were all swollen. They were red. They were covered with what looked like bug bites all over their body. So they grabbed what they could and they got in the car and they drove.
Neal Girandola (28:46)
⁓ God.
Toby was saying this. Yeah, okay.
Good God.
Android (29:09)
They left right then. Yep. Yep. Right. So Terry gets home, his wife is like, what are you doing here? So she took him to the clinic and
Neal Girandola (29:11)
so they left right they left that it was like three in the morning they loaded up. Let's get out of here.
Android (29:24)
he told people at the clinic what had happened, except he didn't tell them anything about being
So they've tested him and
Neal Girandola (29:31)
I just told him about
the told him about the they saw lights and then that's it. Yeah. Yeah. That was it. Right. And they blacked out. Right. Okay. All right.
Android (29:33)
the ship that he saw the ship and he felt he got the radiation right and he was they were in the tent and then they freaked out and they left right that's what he told me didn't tell them
that the aliens had come and grabbed them and took him to a ship.
Neal Girandola (29:44)
What did they say?
What did they say at the hospital? What did they say about that?
Android (29:47)
They were like, well, it looks like you got radiation poisoning. put a Geiger counter. said, yeah, they put a Geiger counter on him and he was radio kind of read radioactive.
Neal Girandola (29:50)
for real? They did.
Yeah, but but their
reaction to his story, was there any react? Was there any comments about their reaction to that?
Android (29:59)
He didn't say no,
I guess they were like, it's devil's den. This happens all the time.
Neal Girandola (30:03)
Yeah, this is your third person in the night.
Android (30:05)
So his third night at the hospital, he said two guys came to his room in dark suits. Yeah, dude. was so dehydrated and weak and just, he doesn't mention if Toby was there.
Neal Girandola (30:11)
So wait, he stayed at the hospital for three nights?
Was Toby there too?
Toby I feel like Toby got nobody took care of Toby.
Android (30:27)
so three nights later his third night in the hospital two guys show up dark suits. They've got a jam box and you hear here come the man in black.
Neal Girandola (30:37)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Android (30:39)
right?
they told the nurse that they were with the OSI, the Office of Special Investigations for the Air Force, and they needed to talk to Terry
Neal Girandola (30:47)
Sure.
Android (30:50)
right?
Neal Girandola (30:50)
Please leave the room. Please leave the
Android (30:53)
So, this made him have like a flash of the humans in the flight suits, like he remembered that
the guys wanted to know what happened and one of the guys
Neal Girandola (31:00)
Huh, that's a weird that's
a weird flash memory then. my gosh. Okay. Yeah.
Android (31:04)
Right? Okay. So
the guys started talking to him and before they said, said, Terry, don't say a word
I need to read you article 31 of the UCMJ, which is equivalent to Miranda rights in the military.
Neal Girandola (31:20)
⁓ what? Yeah. Why?
Android (31:21)
Right? Yeah. Yep. They talked
to him. They asked him questions, but he still didn't tell them about being abducted. So then they made him sign all this
And it was just, just to say, you can't talk about this. You're not allowed to speak to anybody about this. And that was
Neal Girandola (31:31)
What was the paperwork? Just say what?
Android (31:39)
You are never to speak of what happened up there. And he's like, well, I saw a ship and you never supposed to tell anybody
Neal Girandola (31:39)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. ⁓
Well, that would immediately,
immediately make me
up.
Android (31:48)
so Toby, you know, they were both on the same base. Toby was transferred and they told him, do not ever contact Toby again.
Neal Girandola (31:51)
Yeah, I was.
Really?
Android (31:56)
And they parted ways. They never, this is what Terry said. Yep. Yep. This is what, this is what Terry said. Again, Toby getting the short end of the stick.
Neal Girandola (31:59)
This is what Terry says Terry says that's what he was told or Toby.
Did Toby really exist? Do we know if Toby really existed?
Android (32:11)
get to that. I'm going to get to that. All
Neal Girandola (32:12)
No, okay, all
Android (32:13)
in 2012 is when you said that they, they discovered the, the implants in his leg, right? But he, he wanted to have them removed, but he, didn't have them
Neal Girandola (32:17)
Yes. Yeah.
Android (32:23)
So fast forward, just the one, just the one, just the
Neal Girandola (32:23)
was a one or is a more than one? Just the one okay.
Android (32:28)
so
Neal Girandola (32:28)
Did Toby have one?
Android (32:30)
Toby was transferred dude. Once you're transferred.
Neal Girandola (32:33)
That's it.
you're transferred.
Android (32:34)
I think transfer is short for
Neal Girandola (32:37)
they took him to the train
Android (32:38)
dead man walking,
Okay, so in 2017, this is according to Terry, he woke up in his living room
and sitting across from him was a tan-skinned woman about four feet tall.
He thought she was some small Asian woman
Neal Girandola (32:55)
is
at least the story told his
He didn't know she was home.
Android (32:57)
Right.
what are you doing here? How does this Asian hooker get into our room?
Neal Girandola (33:00)
I don't know how that hooker got here.
Android (33:04)
Okay.
then after he really, after his eyes focused, he realized that she wasn't an small Asian woman, that she was an alien.
Now here's a weird part. A few e-
Neal Girandola (33:14)
Wait, I want to back
up one quick second just popped into my mind. They specifically says in a report that they brought they love they were photographers. They like taking pictures. They didn't they had gear with them. They didn't they had cameras. They didn't take any pictures when they were out there.
Android (33:17)
Right.
Neal Girandola (33:30)
Okay, go ahead. I'm sorry. So the Asian woman. ⁓
Android (33:34)
So this is going back a few years earlier. Terry's wife woke up seeing a small woman in their bedroom
and a voice in her head told her to go back to sleep.
Neal Girandola (33:46)
Terry Terry's I Terry's just iron hookers left and right and he's convincing her he's probably got her drunk every night like he's probably loading her with all kinds of like Quaaludes and booze and he's just like yeah you you go to sleep honey go to sleep and then he calls his hookers and they come over and then if she wakes up he says it's aliens
Android (34:08)
Right.
Tell her that you're an alien and tell her that you're communicating to her telepathically, but your mouth is moving.
Neal Girandola (34:15)
saw and we'll just lead her back to bed. Everything will be fine. Terry Terry's got this all figured out. He took it so far because he's got this whole thing for hookers that he actually made up the in the abduction. He made up the whole thing made up the whole thing just and wrote a book and wrote a book like really took it to an extreme because he'll never get caught now. All right. So good. I'm sorry.
Android (34:18)
I'm an alien, go back to bed. You're tired.
devil's dead so that he can be with hookers right
about
Right. Okay. So,
okay. So back to Terry, right? When he sees this ⁓ alien, this woman sitting.
Neal Girandola (34:48)
Yeah.
But this is what
you were saying was that Terry's wife had an experience, had an encounter with this alien woman ⁓ prior to him waking up downstairs with another alien woman.
Android (34:57)
had seen it had seen it right the alien being yeah alien woman right
Right. But
the same when he told his wife about it, I guess he told her about it then. ⁓ she was like, my God, a few years ago, the same thing. remember waking up and I thought, no, this, this is weird that this woman is in our room. Right. And she was like, Terry, why are your pants down?
Neal Girandola (35:14)
And then she said the same thing happened to her.
That's crazy. Okay. Alright. Okay. Yeah. That- that's nuts. Yeah.
Aliens. It's aliens, honey.
Android (35:28)
Are you ready for this? The first thing he thought when he saw her sitting there was
Neal Girandola (35:33)
Mm.
Android (35:33)
That's a bad wig Yes, he said the first thing he thought was I don't like the wig she's
Neal Girandola (35:36)
He did?
Android (35:43)
Her mouth didn't move
Neal Girandola (35:43)
is it?
Android (35:44)
heard her voice in his head saying so you don't like my hair
Neal Girandola (35:46)
Mm.
Android (35:48)
It's been the same from the last time we met. I always wear it this way. You know that.
Neal Girandola (35:51)
Hmm.
That's so
Android (35:56)
Then he said, this is where it gets super weird. Okay. This is where it gets super weird. Memories start flooding back into him, right? Apparently he had been abducted several times since he was eight years old. White rooms with other kids. She was there
Neal Girandola (35:58)
That's freaking me out. This is freaking me out. Yeah.
Mmm.
Android (36:16)
keep the kids calm. Right. She was there to keep the kids calm. Now he says,
Neal Girandola (36:16)
As he mentioned, he saw kids on the ship. Yeah.
Interesting. I
like that.
Android (36:26)
It's kind of creepy, but he was attracted to her?
Neal Girandola (36:28)
Yeah.
Okay. Yeah.
Android (36:32)
She's kind of a hot alien with a bad wig. Let's take the wig off. Embrace the baldness. Right? Definitely a wig. Calm. Right. Right. Right. So she said, no more exams. You won't be.
Neal Girandola (36:40)
But it was definitely a wig. She just dressed up to keep everybody sort of. Yeah, or to assimilate into their right, right.
But he specifically
said he thought she was attractive. He'd like he was like liked her.
Android (36:56)
Yeah. Yeah.
In a strange way, he was attracted to her. said he felt the comfort with her. Like he knew her.
Neal Girandola (37:00)
Hmm. Hmm.
Hmm.
Yeah. Familiar. Well, you had her to the house a bunch of times.
Android (37:07)
right. The old, the
old abduction seduction breath. All right. So she
Neal Girandola (37:13)
abductions induction. Yes, sir. All right. But
wait, but he's having this conversation with her at this encounter in 2017. Yeah, I got you. Okay.
Android (37:20)
in 2017 at this encounter. Yeah. So
she says no more exams and you will not be taken
Then she sat calmly with him and helped him sort out all the memories that he had. All right. He said he saw the dark side of the moon and apparently there's lots of people working on the moon and some of those people that are working on the moon have never ever been to earth.
Neal Girandola (37:46)
What the
Android (37:48)
And she said, they're there to help us process the rocks. It's very important work.
she came to warn him because Terry had written a book and he's been writing about it and talking about this whole thing. And she wanted to give him full disclosure of everything. The government is aware of all of this. She
Neal Girandola (37:52)
What?
Mm-hmm.
Wow.
Android (38:08)
And the people that the hosts she called them hosts the hosts that she works for don't want any of this to get
Neal Girandola (38:14)
Mm-hmm.
Android (38:15)
They are important, she said, and they would be in trouble if he he would be in trouble if he didn't stop.
Neal Girandola (38:18)
So sh-
So she's trying to tell him, not write a
essentially. But he wrote a book. And he told us this.
Android (38:25)
Right. Right.
Well, he wrote more than one book. He actually wrote two books. I'm going to get to that. Nothing happened to him, I guess. No. So she said she won't remove his memories because they will cause him great pain. But the device that's in your leg will be removed.
Neal Girandola (38:33)
What happens? Is he gonna get punished?
Wow.
So it hadn't been removed yet. It was still in there. So this is
Android (38:49)
No.
Neal Girandola (38:52)
Yeah, 2017. Okay.
Android (38:52)
She said,
I'm going to leave you with three messages about the people that don't want you to talk. First, they, right. First, they will discredit
Neal Girandola (38:57)
That's that's seven seven years ago.
Android (39:03)
Then they will threaten you. And thirdly, they will kill you.
Neal Girandola (39:04)
Mm-hmm.
⁓
Android (39:09)
So when he kind of dozed in and out of sleep and when he woke up, she was gone. And so was the implant.
Neal Girandola (39:14)
Mm-hmm.
Android (39:16)
since
Neal Girandola (39:16)
Well how did he know it was gone?
Android (39:17)
he could feel it,
or he went back,
Neal Girandola (39:20)
We never got looked at.
Android (39:21)
he might have gone back. He didn't explain this. He might've gone back and got another X-ray.
So he wrote two incident at devil's den and devil's den, the reckoning or the two books that he actually
His story has stayed the same. Like when he speaks, his story stays the same. There's been a couple more additions to it and they're thinking that those are just memories that got unlocked, right?
Neal Girandola (39:37)
Sure.
Mm hmm.
But she didn't obviously didn't scare him enough to not write those books. He wasn't alarmed. Yeah, but they weren't published. She probably meant don't publish this shit. This is keep it to you.
Android (39:49)
But it was already too late. He started writing in 2012.
Well, they're
Toby.
That wasn't his real name.
Neal Girandola (39:58)
That wasn't Toby's real name. That's what I asked. Does anybody know Toby exists?
Android (40:00)
Toby's real name, right?
Yes. Not a real name. It was apparently a pseudonym and the real Toby, this is all we know. The real Toby died in 2007. So this whole story is only Terry's. Toby hasn't had to come, had a chance to come out and say, that was me. This is Bill. I was up with Terry. We were making love and I saw lights. Like we were going at it like two aliens in the woods.
Neal Girandola (40:13)
you
Yeah, and this right like to aliens would. Yeah. ⁓ man.
Android (40:29)
That was my book,
Two Aliens in the Wood.
Neal Girandola (40:33)
Lovers from another world
Android (40:33)
Okay.
Neal Girandola (40:35)
So let me just clarify time frame
This whole incident happens in 1977, but the story doesn't come out till 2012. Okay. And Toby, the Toby, whoever he is died in 2007.
Android (40:46)
12. Right. Well, seven.
So apparently the military knew about it though in 1977. Okay, and in 1980, they must have really like known about it, you know, and they. Right. So this guy, you know, he went on to become like, because they sent the two men in black. Remember the hospital.
Neal Girandola (41:01)
The military knew about it. How do you know? How do you know they knew about it?
But that was
at the hospital. But that's what Terry told us. Terry told us this.
Android (41:13)
Right, there's been no, there's been no military
paperwork, there's been nothing. All we have is Terry's story. No, no.
Neal Girandola (41:18)
Right. There's no redacted documents out. There's nothing that came out through
disclosures. There's nothing other than that. And it's only Terry telling us this.
what about his wife? Does she? But she never cooperated or anything that he had to go to the hospital. There were stuff in him. There was an implant that she never we don't hear from her side.
Android (41:29)
she hasn't said a word.
No. Nothing. There's nothing out there. She has not spoken. Only he has spoken about this. And I guess he was like, this is my story, not your story. You didn't get probed. I did.
about it.
Neal Girandola (41:51)
you didn't spend
a long loving weekend with your friend Toby.
he?
Android (41:54)
don't even know who Toby
No, I'm not weighing in yet. I've got other evidence. I've got other evidence here, right? That can explain things away. So the implant, right? The implant.
Neal Girandola (41:55)
are you ready to weigh in?
Alright, well wait a minute,
wait a minute, let me clarify. Let me clarify something. I'm gonna hand it to you now to weigh in on whether this is a mostly true alien story. You can tell me whether you do think it is or not and why.
Android (42:06)
Okay, I'm gonna have a drink.
the implant. Yeah, I was about to head there, right? Start debunking stuff, right?
Neal Girandola (42:16)
Cause that's where you were about to head, right? You're about to start like, wait, you were about to debunk something. I can tell you
get this look on your face when you're about to debunk shit. Like it's your just whole thing changes. Like it just, you grab your face, you put your hand over your, your mouth and your beard. And yet you have to take a drink right before it. Cause you know, you're diving in hard on debunking. So you don't want to be dehydrated. Okay. Go ahead.
Android (42:25)
BOOM
I can't be dehydrated. No,
and I'm drinking from my hydro flask.
Neal Girandola (42:43)
You know what? You're my,
you know what? You are my Toby.
Android (42:48)
You are my Toby. You're you're Toby to me. That's who you are. You're fricking Toby. Not even your real name and you're dead. You died in 2007. You're dead to me. You're dead to me. Toby. You're dead.
Neal Girandola (42:51)
Alright. Yeah. Alright. Alright, Andrew.
Is this a mostly true alien story or not?
Android (43:04)
going to weigh in yet yet yet. Wait, wait, wait. The implant, right? So we're going to explain the implant.
Neal Girandola (43:06)
Alright, give me... go ahead.
Android (43:09)
implant, the way that it was put into his, on the x-ray, it could have easily been x-rayed on the outside of his body.
wasn't From research on x-rays and science and yeah. Yup. Right. So not from my own experience, right?
Neal Girandola (43:17)
Wait, are you speaking from research on science on x-rays and stuff? Okay, okay. Not from your own experience.
Android (43:26)
All they saw was the chip basically. And that could have just been put on his skin when they did the X-ray. It could have been outside of his body. They never showed, they only showed one view of the X-ray. They never showed like a top view of the X-ray showing the implant. Right. Yeah, it is out there. It's out there.
what that tells me is that it was taken on the outside of his body. That if you don't have more than one picture of it.
Like you're telling me this thing is implanted. That means if they would have done a side view. Right. Right. Now, ⁓ what's weird.
Neal Girandola (43:57)
Right, they didn't do another angle on the leg or wherever. Okay. But that but that's that
that takes a lot of forethought. Back then.
Android (44:06)
Yeah, well, it's 2012, dude.
He's the only one that his law career is coming to an end. He wants to write a book.
Neal Girandola (44:13)
Thought he was gonna go, he thought this out. I'm gonna fake the x-ray.
Android (44:17)
Well, he sells books, right? He sold a lot of books.
Neal Girandola (44:19)
But definitely
definitely is intriguing. But that's just that's that's just cool intentions there. You know what mean? All right, go ahead.
Android (44:22)
Right. Right.
a lot of his stuff is what they call, it could happen under a hypno, hypnagogic hallucinations, right? That happens between waking and sleeping, right? The things feel real. And because they feel real, you actually believe that this is, is real.
Neal Girandola (44:35)
Mm.
Mm. Mm-hmm.
Android (44:47)
Terry believes that the U S government actually has struck up a deal with aliens and that happened in the 1940s for alien
And because the government made this agreement, they let the aliens abduct whoever they want.
Neal Girandola (45:02)
that was their clause in their contract was like, listen, we'll agree to do this, but you got to let us take whoever we want. We want to abduct people. We want to keep abducting. This is what we like doing. We like doing this. We like doing
Android (45:04)
Yeah. Right. We want to, this is what we like to do. I like,
Neal Girandola (45:13)
All right. Yeah.
Android (45:13)
let's, let's do this. Wait, you're the government
and I'm the
we would like to give you all of our fancy alien
⁓ on one
Neal Girandola (45:20)
Great. Yeah. Love that.
do you want from us?
Android (45:24)
We would like to be able to come and abduct people and do whatever we want to with them. Probe them.
Neal Girandola (45:30)
What do mean you abduct?
Android (45:31)
just take them for a little bit
know maybe take them to a to the moon
to to
Neal Girandola (45:35)
For what reason? What are you gonna do?
Android (45:36)
dig rocks and then we're gonna probe them
gonna bang them we're
Neal Girandola (45:38)
Why?
Android (45:40)
so you're asking too many questions do want the alien tech or
Neal Girandola (45:40)
gonna bang them?
Yes, definitely, we're in. We're in. Yeah, just sign
Yeah.
Android (45:48)
Okay, so here's something that's
In 1961, there was a thing called the Brookings
And it said in the Brookings Report that if they ever discover extraterrestrial
it should be kept secret
because it would cause panic in the
1961, it's called the Brookings Report.
Neal Girandola (46:03)
What year was that?
Okay, who wrote that?
Android (46:08)
NASA.
Neal Girandola (46:09)
but some guy named Brookings.
So that no, but right. assume it's Brookings report as well. But I'm saying that but not you're saying NASA did this or was it the government?
Android (46:11)
Charlie Brookings. don't know. Yeah, would imagine it's, I would imagine that it's not.
collaboration with Ness and the
of course involved in all of this, as we know, are the usual suspects, right? Which is the Pentagon, the CIA, the NSA, Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, General Dynamics, Northrop Grumman, and all, in all, anything that's alien tech, anything that's mentioned, these guys are always there.
Neal Girandola (46:27)
Yeah, sure, sure. Yeah. They're all involved in what specifically?
Yes, they're related.
Android (46:41)
And then we also have these great whistleblowers that you and I talk about, right? Richard Doty.
Neal Girandola (46:46)
Mm-hmm.
Android (46:47)
David,
David Grussoff, Christopher Mellon, ⁓ Luis Elizondo, right?
Neal Girandola (46:50)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Android (46:53)
But are they whistleblowers
Neal Girandola (46:55)
Well, we've spoken about this. We said that there are actors in this play that are told what to say and how to say it to spread disinformation. Yes, right. There's yeah,
Android (47:01)
Yeah, but we're being told it's disclosure. These guys are going to disclose
right? The reason why I'm bringing this up is because...
Neal Girandola (47:07)
but why are you bringing this up?
Android (47:11)
we have been talking about disclosure and all this. This guy apparently had some sort of traumatic thing happen to him in the woods. I mean, he's writing about it. I believe him. I believe him. That's something I'm starting to weigh in. Yeah. Yeah.
Neal Girandola (47:14)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Wait, are you weighing in? You're weighing in? Yeah, let's weigh in. Let's
weigh in. Is this a mostly true alien story or
Andrew?
Android (47:28)
now.
Neal Girandola (47:28)
Wow, but you were almost there.
Android (47:30)
I was, I would do it. I'm so close on this one. I'm, actually on the cusp. So I'm kind of like not really a no, but not really a yes. I'm kind of in between on this one because it's fascinating that these things happen to these people. Right. And this guy, if he was just like some guy that didn't, you know, that he was just trying to make money off his books, but this guy was like assistant attorney general. This guy wasn't an attorney. mean, he's a smart guy. Why would he
Neal Girandola (47:38)
Mm-hmm.
you
Yeah. Yeah. That makes me trust them less
though.
Android (48:00)
Right. but why would he risk all of that to come clean about some alien stuff that happened to him? Right.
Neal Girandola (48:09)
⁓
for money
maybe he maybe has maybe he likes that kind of limelight maybe he loves that kind of stuff that's maybe he's creative you know obviously he's creative he was writing a book
Android (48:11)
he didn't make enough money as an attorney. He wasn't happy.
It could be, it
could be.
I guess I'm going back to, just want disclosure. want the, I want these guys that are talking to actually start telling the truth. That's all we want is just the truth. So no, it's, it's not a mostly true alien story. No, I think it's a, I think it's a very fantastical story. I think that, ⁓ I think something happened to them on the mountain.
Neal Girandola (48:28)
Mm-hmm. Right, but you just said no, that's not true.
Okay.
Mm.
Mm.
Android (48:42)
I
mean, for him to come back, but there's no, could find no doctor's records. You know, she said she took him to a clinic. I couldn't find any proof that any of that happened. And since we don't know who Toby was or who Toby is, and now the real Toby were being told by, ⁓ Terry that he's dead. So how does Terry know this? If they were not in contact with each other, this is where it just kind of gets, kind of gets falls apart completely.
Neal Girandola (48:52)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Right. Kind of falls apart.
Android (49:09)
You lost one of your key witnesses is gone.
Neal Girandola (49:12)
Now there were no
interviews out there with the wife that said, yeah, this alien was in our house or there was no, I took him to the hospital or there was nothing that he had a friend.
Android (49:16)
No, no, no, this was all Terry's. This is all like,
like I said, Toby died in 2007 and everything since then has been Terry, Terry, Terry, Terry, Terry, Terry.
Neal Girandola (49:26)
Hmm.
But there was no story told before that.
Android (49:31)
No, well not that we know of. It could have been covered up. The men in black could have, you know, took
We don't know, but
Neal Girandola (49:37)
And Terry's still alive.
Android (49:38)
I believe, is still
Neal Girandola (49:40)
All right. So you say this is not a mostly true alien
in. It's my turn to weigh in on whether this is a mostly true alien story or
I had never heard of this one.
So this was ⁓ very, very new to me.
was really learning as we went along here on this one, because I tend I don't want to dive into the details. I want to hear the details from you and kind of just, you know, make my own opinion when we're sitting here.
So with all of that information, this to me is a mostly true alien story, I think, because what really got me was the ship ⁓ explanation, that whole detail.
We've heard this time and time again in other stories. you could say, well, that's where Terry's getting it. That's where he's coming up and trying to create this book.
Android (50:22)
Yeah, I mean, think about it. He didn't come up with any
of this shit. He didn't come up with any of this shit until 2012, dude. You know how much stuff's happened since then?
Neal Girandola (50:28)
Right.
Yes, a lot. There's a lot. And there's a lot of stories he could have pulled from, but I think it's a long way to go for a guy to make something up like this. And I love the whole implant story. I love that. And then it just disappears. But, you know, he kind of explained it. I think, you know, the lady, the Asian alien, the Asian alien hooker took, the implant out and you know, that was that. But you know what I,
Android (50:42)
And it disappeared?
The Asian hooker explained it.
Neal Girandola (50:56)
I want to give humanity a benefit of the
Could you sit here? You and I, could you on your day off, come up with a whole alien abduction idea and follow through with it? Think about it. Could you come up with that and continue it on for years and make it up to the point? Is that the kind of people that, you know, I don't, I don't know that that could be carried off for that long. ⁓ and I don't think
I think it's very difficult unless the guys are really crazy and that would come out. But I just don't think that that's possible. So I think this is a mostly true alien story. ⁓ I loved everything about it to be honest with you. I was really right there with you when you were giving me those descriptions of the lights,
Android (51:39)
Did you like the
Neal Girandola (51:40)
the wig, the whole wig thing. I'm going to see if there's an agency out there that will send you Asian hookers that look like
And then that would debunk the whole story. Because if that does exist, then I'll be like, yeah, this wasn't true.
Android (51:47)
looking for.
this isn't the first time that we've heard that they looked ⁓ asian
Neal Girandola (51:56)
No,
there and there was sort of feelings.
You know, for for different. He fell in love with her and had her over twice, at least that we know of.
Android (51:59)
Yeah, he said he felt love for her. In a weird way.
that we know of.
Neal Girandola (52:07)
Well,
Android (52:07)
once with his wife was sleeping, is kinda creepy,
Neal Girandola (52:09)
right.
Android (52:09)
mean, every time his wife was sleeping.
Neal Girandola (52:11)
Every time after she had a couple of cocktails out of a coffee mug.
Android (52:14)
No, he would just shine.
gave him. They gave him one of those flashlights that like put him to sleep like they used on him. I think she just shining over her and she'd be like.
Neal Girandola (52:17)
Mm-hmm.
And then
and he's like she's safe. She's safe. Yeah, come on in.
Yeah. All right. We're good to go. Yeah
Android (52:26)
No, come on in.
Neal Girandola (52:28)
All right, you say it's a not a mostly true alien story and I say it is a mostly true alien story It is another strange case. It is one. I really like this story. It definitely blurred the line between Alien visitation and deep government secrecy, which is kind of making you angry
Android (52:32)
No.
Neal Girandola (52:48)
But whether you think Terry's implant proves something extraterrestrial or just a psychological coping mechanism, one thing is for sure that the Devil's Den story
stay with you. It's staying with me right now. If you enjoyed today's episode, please do us a favor. Subscribe to our podcast. Follow us on TikTok and YouTube and drop a comment to tell us what you think happened to Terry and Toby and then the whole alien gang. We would really like to hear from you
Android (53:14)
That's it.
Neal Girandola (53:16)
But until then, be kind to the aliens when they get here. Thanks for joining us, everybody. Thanks, Andrew.
Android (53:22)
Thanks,