Neal Girandola (00:00)
A new documentary drops and claims that government has known the truth for 80
crash retrieval programs, buried evidence, whistleblowers risking their careers and their
Nuclear missile silos shut down by unknown
contractors holding technology they don't
a propulsion breakthrough that if
changes everything we think about interstellar
This
is the age of
you believe?
Let's get into
to another episode of Mostly True
Alien Stories.
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back to mostly true alien stories. The show where every week we take one true report of an alien encounter and we walk through the
Android (00:44)
Hold on.
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and decide whether it's a mostly true alien story or
It's Thanksgiving week. And if you're one of those long on one of those long drives to see
now's the perfect time to catch up on our past episodes and Hey,
holiday is filled with good food good people and at least one alien conversation Get at least one alien conversation in
I'm Neil
Android (01:14)
Agreed.
Neal Girandola (01:15)
with the only man who insists on fact-checking the turkey
peer-reviewed sources Let's say hello to Andrew Triana. Hi, Andrew
Android (01:23)
Hi Neil, speaking of checking the facts on the turkey, I actually bought a brand new meat thermometer. So when I cook my turkey,
I'm very excited. The problem is
Neal Girandola (01:30)
probably pretty excited about that. It's like an early Christmas gift.
Android (01:35)
thermometer that I found in the freaking stores, they were like this big. was like Flava Flav's clock.
was
Neal Girandola (01:41)
For real?
Android (01:42)
swear,
Neal Girandola (01:42)
They're like
What happened to the laser thing? You just point at it and go, mm. That's right. OK.
Android (01:45)
Yeah, now I got the old metal one that you shove in and it's
only like this big but my last one fell into the garbage
it's
Neal Girandola (01:52)
didn't want to stick your hand in there and get
Android (01:53)
I did
Neal Girandola (01:59)
are you excited for Thanksgiving? Are you having people over? Are you entertaining just by yourself?
Android (02:00)
I just got
a hungry man dinner, TV tray.
Neal Girandola (02:07)
Yeah, you're gonna microwave it.
Android (02:08)
you can't. Those are metal. You got to put them in the oven. They bake. It's nice. The apple pie on the thing is
Neal Girandola (02:10)
Okay.
I was hungry. Man dinners that you have to eat them right in the bathroom because it's just, as soon as you eat them, it's like.
Android (02:17)
⁓ yeah, I eat it on the toilet. I have a TV tray sitting there in the bathroom. It's going to be...
Neal Girandola (02:19)
Yeah, that's it. Yeah. Yeah.
got TV in your bathroom. You sit and eat your hunger, man.
Android (02:25)
I just set
my phone up in the windowsill,
on Netflix or something, and then I'll eat my Hunger Man sitting on the toilet. It's going to be great. I'm
Neal Girandola (02:31)
we're going to make everybody's Thanksgiving very special because today we're doing something a little
taking some of the biggest claims from the brand new documentary, the age of disclosure, which just recently dropped on November 21st. And we're going to decide
Android (02:41)
⁓ yeah baby!
Neal Girandola (02:46)
the most part they're mostly true or not. We're also going to review this documentary itself. Andrew and I had a lot of fun talking about this
is it promise? What did it deliver and whether it
actually pushes the disclosure movement forward.
yes, we're going to get into whether that $25 rental fee was worth the squeeze. We were all shocked by
For anyone who hasn't seen it, the age of disclosures positioned as a major expose featuring former intelligence officers, military personnel, and key insiders who say the government has been hiding crash retrievals, non-human technology, nuclear base incursions, and breakthrough propulsion systems for decades.
It's marketed as the film that finally puts whistleblowers front and center with no filter, no spin, and no middleman.
If you haven't already hit that subscribe button so we can reach more listeners and maybe a few
who still have a story to tell. Yeah, that's how you do it. Hit that, hit that button. All
going to treat this like a collection of mini encounters. So there's about nine or so major claims that were made throughout this.
True reports and some are familiar. They'll probably be familiar. Some are pretty massive as far as I'm concerned. And if you that sort of surprised even
the age of disclosure positions itself as a mainstream entry point for people who don't live inside the UFO
and in a sense, the film followed two central figures, Lou Elizondo and Jay Stratton.
Lou Elizondo is a former U S army counterintelligence special agent and one time director of a
those of you don't know, that's the Pentagon's
aerospace threat identification
He oversaw classified investigations into UAP sightings, military encounters, and unexplained aerial technology before resigning in 2017, claiming the government wasn't being transparent enough with the public.
Jay Stratton is a long time defense department, intelligence officer and program manager who
actually led the Pentagon's UAP task force before it became
And he's known behind the scenes for being the one guy who has touched every major UFO case inside the U S government. Pretty big
from skinwalker ranch to Navy UFO videos to classified crash retrieval investigations.
Two very important guys in the conversation about all of the government
was produced by Dan Farah from the ready player one fame and it mixes personal storytelling, especially a loose family is health and emotional
we'll get into because that was to me was a
I think off the beaten track.
for this
Android (05:26)
it was a little bit too much drama for a documentary.
Neal Girandola (05:30)
it also, ⁓ with whistleblower testimony, it included that historical military encounters and bold claims about recovered craft and propulsion
in the film was expensive, $25 to watch. All right. So today we're gonna, we're gonna answer the only questions that matter. Was the juice worth the
up, there was the dive into the hidden program. The film claims
sits behind everything. The so-called legacy
referred to it as the ultra secret gatekeepers. was the, it was the secret of secret agencies that they didn't even know existed until they really dug deep. According to the documentary, the legacy program was founded after the 1947 Roswell
Android (06:07)
Yep. Yep.
Neal Girandola (06:12)
It was tasked with retrieving all non-human intelligence, the NHI,
materials, including craft and bodies.
and locking them away from public knowledge. Now this program allegedly operated beyond presidential oversight and beyond congressional oversight and outside normal intelligence channels.
Whistleblowers claim the legacy program became a stopgap blocking legitimate investigations, suppressing credible evidence and feeding disinformation into the government
And whether it actually protects us or protects itself is the question.
So the legacy program, Andrew, what do you know about it?
Android (06:50)
made up of four
that is the CIA,
US Air
Department of Energy, which kind of shocked me when I first heard
then defense contractors.
I find fascinating is, was they broke it down. They said that the CIA is the science behind
they, right.
Neal Girandola (07:07)
they're the oversight. They kind of oversee
the whole
Android (07:10)
And then the US Air Force is, I guess you could call them like special forces.
gather and retrieve. That's what they do. If there's ever a sighting or a crash or whatever, the Air Force is the first person there, first people there. Right. They can't not do that. And then you've got the Department of Energy, which I guess is looking at propulsion of these vehicles. So the
Neal Girandola (07:15)
Yeah.
They have to go secure it. Secure that site. Immediately. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. As a department of
energy in an atomic something.
Android (07:35)
Nope,
it's just the Department of Energy. And then they've added that they do it because they're part of the atomic legacy. The Department of Energy was there when they did the bombs. And
Neal Girandola (07:38)
Okay.
Okay, okay, yeah, right,
Yeah.
Android (07:48)
would have thought that would have been like Department of Defense, or some Secretary State or something along those lines. It's not Department of Energy. I would never have thought it like
Neal Girandola (07:53)
Yeah.
Android (07:57)
then defense contractors, we know, Lockheed Martin, all those.
Neal Girandola (07:57)
sure. Yes. Right. Skunkworks
all of
they also protect the technology from oversight from access to the public because once they get ahold of the tech, then it's their property is basically how it's framed.
Android (08:07)
Yeah, all right.
Right.
Yeah, they want to patent
Neal Girandola (08:17)
so that way, if we go, well, wait, there was a crash over here in my backyard. I saw the air force come and take it. We'd like to know what that is. Well, we don't have it now.
The, ⁓
Android (08:28)
We've given it
to these defense contractors and right, right. But wouldn't it be your property if it landed on your property? I would imagine it is.
Neal Girandola (08:29)
defense contractors. Yeah, they they don't you can't you can't
Well, sure. Well, I don't know. I don't know how they deem that. That is an interesting topic. If a UFO lands in my yard, I don't want the air force coming in to take it. What do they do? What do they say? No, we're coming to take it.
Android (08:41)
That's the old finders keepers?
That's finders keepers
Neal Girandola (08:50)
I gotta hurry up. I get my friends over to help me carry it into the basement. Or my garage. Move it into my garage.
Android (08:55)
would be right there man to help you
Neal Girandola (08:58)
So this
is the four, these are the four arms of this whole, ⁓ but that that's part of the legacy. That was part of the legacy.
Android (09:01)
Like, you know what was fascinating?
That is the legacy. That is the legacy program. Those four, it has four branches. Those are the four branches of the legacy program. Now,
Neal Girandola (09:09)
Okay.
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Android (09:14)
I found really interesting is that nobody that was interviewed in that film had ever heard of it. Like here's Elizondo, who's high up with A-Tip,
Had never ever heard of the legacy program. How is that possible? Right.
Neal Girandola (09:28)
But then they kept running into it the deeper
they were getting. Yeah.
Android (09:32)
How are they like part of the secret government organization that doesn't know about another secret government organization?
Neal Girandola (09:38)
Well, that's
the thing. I do believe that this becomes a, that that showcases that there are some, there's probably agencies still we don't know about. There's probably something beyond the legacy program that looks into the aliens.
Android (09:48)
⁓
Project
Blue Book is probably still functioning right now.
Neal Girandola (09:54)
Yeah, probably, probably so. But there was an interesting comment in the movie, in the documentary that they said that, you know, you have a, you have a representative or someone who comes in who has money. They, and they're going to fund different programs. And then what happens is they end up getting moved or they retire or they age out and they leave and no one else. so that Congress person who started
this say the legacy program died or is gone or is no longer
no one overseeing it
Android (10:27)
it's never, it's not like it's carried down, you know, like they hand off. There's no handoff. It's like, I'm dying. Please take my seat at the legacy.
Neal Girandola (10:30)
They don't hand it off.
Yeah. Yeah.
Android (10:36)
He almost said it. He didn't tell us who.
this is the other thing too. Secretary of State has no knowledge of the legacy program. The Secretary of Defense has no knowledge of the legacy program.
Neal Girandola (10:48)
How is that possible?
Android (10:49)
And even the president of the United States has no working relationship with this program. So who's running the country?
Neal Girandola (10:57)
That's crazy.
Is there any names associated with the legacy program? Anybody? Anybody that we know like names of, know,
Android (11:06)
Charlie
I'm a whistleblower now, Charlie Johnson.
Neal Girandola (11:07)
Charlie. guy. That guy's everywhere.
Android (11:10)
you're listening, Charlie, you know I'm talking about
Neal Girandola (11:10)
You know what-
see what the chat GBD
the secret...
Android (11:14)
gonna say, I'm sorry, Neil. Now I have to kill
Neal Girandola (11:17)
there's someone at my door the minute I hit
Who
the secret legacy program?
Android (11:24)
That's going to tell you the CIA. ⁓
Neal Girandola (11:26)
I asked the thing so many questions. He's like, again, another question?
Android (11:29)
Can't you just ask me about popcorn or something? Like, what pops the
Neal Girandola (11:33)
GBT says,
Here's the clearest, most accurate way to answer this without stepping outside what is actually known.
the legacy program as presented in the age of disclosure is not a verified named government entity, but a theoretical black program described by
Android (11:46)
Right.
Neal Girandola (11:50)
I'll give you the truthful, mostly true alien story ready breakdown.
in the documentary, right? We know this legacy program is described as deeply compartmentalized, ultra classified crash retrieval and reverse engineering program that has allegedly existed since the
there
is no single person is named, no office is named, no chain of command is
no, well that's that chain of command. That's what they do say. So,
embedded across senior intelligence officials, select defense contractors, oversight immune, uh, special access
private corporate labs funded by government dollars, legacy insiders who inherit access from predecessors.
in it.
Android (12:29)
I told
you we can tell you what is safe so you don't get killed.
Neal Girandola (12:33)
Yes, it did say right now shut off all your computers, unplug
lock your doors.
Android (12:38)
it's
Neal Girandola (12:38)
Do you think the
legacy program is a true? ⁓ You think it's mostly true? Okay.
Android (12:41)
it is dude yeah I think
it's I think it's absolutely true I think it's not there's more than this agency there's more than this program in our government that they don't tell us stuff sure
Neal Girandola (12:51)
Did you know that the legacy program existed before you saw the documentary?
Yeah, neither did I. Neither did I. So that moved the needle for me in this
Android (13:04)
I've read a lot of stuff that Mufon has, you know, broken and they've cracked, but none of their stuff has ever mentioned this before. So I found that, I found that kind of cool. I found that cool.
Neal Girandola (13:13)
So you, but you
believe them. You don't think that he made this up to maybe because you know, there is a side of this.
These guys that are trying to push for disclosure could make up the fact that this exists because who's going to deny it. Who's going to say it doesn't exist because if they say it doesn't exist, you still don't believe the guy who says it didn't exist. doesn't exist. You're believing the guy that says it existed. Ask the government and the government will go, yeah, no, this didn't exist. This doesn't exist. That's not true. But then you go, but I don't believe you.
Android (13:41)
Did I tell you I bought a boat?
Neal Girandola (13:42)
You did.
Android (13:43)
See?
That's what they do. No, it's all, no, no.
Neal Girandola (13:44)
Yeah, no, I don't think this is misdirection. don't think I think, I think what
I'm saying is Lou and those guys may have said, Hey, if we say that there's an ultra secret program called the legacy program, will help push this disclosure conversation a little further to get people to perk their ears up. It's a possibility. You don't think that's a possibility.
Android (13:54)
No.
No.
No, I don't think they just made it up. I ⁓ think it's real thing. I think
Neal Girandola (14:04)
plausible though.
Okay.
Android (14:08)
that there are branches of our government that do things that people aren't even aware of. And I'm talking people in power, supposed power are not even aware of. And that's, they're just running the stuff.
Neal Girandola (14:15)
sure.
Yeah.
Android (14:22)
and there's
Neal Girandola (14:23)
Yeah.
Android (14:23)
nothing that we can do. I think about all the narratives that we see all the
Neal Girandola (14:26)
one hand doesn't know what the other hand's doing. And that is true. And that's what's scary to these secret secret secret secret secret, ultra secret agencies,
Alright, so we have a lot to get to. So the next from there in the documentary, so your legacy program, we both agree, I believe it exists. I think that was the documentary did it, they moved the needle for me on that in terms of what that so
Android (14:41)
Yeah, I think it's real. I think it's real.
Neal Girandola (14:47)
There's more details to this, but we have a lot to get to. So let's get into it. So from there, the film then turns its attention
Android (14:49)
Right.
Neal Girandola (14:53)
how the tech gets handled. You mentioned the defense
the documentary claims that the legacy program offloads those, the recovered crap, the debris, exotic materials to the private defense contractors. And it shields them from
congressional subpoenas and all public oversight. So the contractors allegedly
Own the material. They profit from the analysis. they use compartmentalization to bury discoveries and they hold technology that originated from outside the U S government.
Android (15:17)
Right.
Right.
Neal Girandola (15:25)
then it argues that these contractors have become the true bottleneck of disclosure, not the Pentagon. So you got places where you and I just briefly mentioned it. Lockheed Martin, skunk works. They're they're reverse engineering this tech Boeing. Yeah.
Android (15:25)
the
Right.
Boeing, I mean, they're all part of it. Yeah.
So let's do it. Go ahead. Ask me. I'm on the Congress guy. Ask me, ⁓ where is the alien
Neal Girandola (15:45)
Okay.
So the alien tech that we just scooped up, where is it?
Android (15:52)
I have no knowledge of what you're talking about or where it is.
Neal Girandola (15:56)
But you just said we had alien tech.
Android (15:58)
I said that there was something discovered that we had never seen before, but ⁓ I'm not sure where they put it or what
to it.
Neal Girandola (16:07)
no
one knows where they put the alien tech
Android (16:09)
No, I myself I hold on, do you know? He doesn't know either. Nobody knows where it
It was just given to these defense contractors.
Neal Girandola (16:18)
Yeah.
Yeah.
So they've come up with this strategy in the 1940s. Yeah. Around that time where they would say that this way it is protected. We can analyze it. We have our government contract that we're spending billions of dollars with that are going to, that's right. And no one can access the public can access it.
Android (16:25)
Yeah, that's it.
Right. Plausible.
Yep, plausible deniability, that's all it is. That's all it is.
because it's held by a private
Neal Girandola (16:41)
that's what they're fighting for. According to this documentary, they
full, they want to have turnover everything. So, so no one is protected. So that way, and, they're not even saying from the past, they're saying today going forward.
Android (16:46)
It won't seem to turn over the records. Right.
No.
Yep. Right. You can keep it.
Neal Girandola (16:58)
We want that access. So whatever you had in the past, fine, whatever.
Keep it. We just want now that to change today going forward.
Android (17:04)
what you're discovering now, right?
Which is gonna be what they had because it keeps the technology keeps advancing. So we're gonna have to see what they had.
Neal Girandola (17:11)
Yeah.
Yeah. So
I believe that this is a mostly true story that the, that, that the defense contractors are
holding onto this alien tech. They've had it. They are reverse engineering it. They are creating stuff. think they've already created stuff. think we're so far advanced that we don't even know. We're not even notified of this because of the technologies that these defense contractors have
Android (17:19)
Oh, 100 percent.
Nope. Yep. Yep.
Neal Girandola (17:31)
now let's move on to the next was these five military base visits. This is crazy to me. There was nuclear silos, encountering the unknown. This is very scary.
Android (17:39)
Mm-mm.
Neal Girandola (17:45)
they really put a lot of time into telling us about this stuff and they brought in these actual guys that, you know, covered it. across multiple decades, multiple air force bases.
and multiple witnesses,
documentary highlights five major incidences. I'm going these are in no particular order. So I'm just going to start with this one is Ellsworth air force base.
and Mario
a U S air force staff sergeant
security police at Ellsworth air force base in South Dakota. It's located in South
in 1977, while responding to a security alert near a missile site.
Woods reported witnessing an enormous sunlight
hovering silently above a nuclear silo before shooting into the sky at impossible speed. Now he's not talking about a very small orb. He's talking about something that was so massive. He couldn't believe his
Next at Whit Whiteman air force
Android (18:37)
Right.
Neal Girandola (18:40)
Terry Lovelace, who served as a U S air force EMT and tactical response medic at Whiteman air force base in the seventies.
Lovelace reported seeing a massive black triangular crap hovering over a missile site before it shot upward instantaneously and experience. says triggered a lifetime of encounters and health issues for him.
Then
Robert Bob Jacobs was a U S air force, lieutenant and optical tracking officer at Vandenberg air force base in 1964. He oversaw
telescopic camera system, recording a missile test when a disc shaped UFO allegedly entered the frame, fired a beam of light at the dummy warhead and then
And it says footage. says,
that was immediately seized by the CIA.
Captain Robert Salas was a U S air force ICBM launch control officer stationed
air force base. It that's in Montana.
during the famous 1967 incident where multiple nuclear
went
Salas claims that a glowing red oval craft hovered above the front gate.
moments before the missiles became
And then
there is the Jeffrey
incident. You may have seen him in the UAP hearings that were just happened recently.
was a civilian contractor and security specialist. He was working at Vandenberg Air Force Base in
And he reported that a giant red translucent square object, roughly the size of a football field.
descended silently over missile silos, hovered for several minutes. Others witnessed it. And then that shot straight up and out of
across all of these cases. was different shapes, different colors, different witnesses, same outcome, nuclear capabilities compromised by an unknown
And the film argues that these incursions prove intelligence intention and message.
Andrew, are these mostly true alien stories or not? Right here, all of these. These are pretty interesting.
Android (20:51)
struggle with this one because it ⁓ feels like they've almost pushed the envelope with this a little bit.
no, I know. I know. But I could have made up a better story than that.
Neal Girandola (21:02)
impact stories. They needed some impact stories.
you're feeling like they're made up that because they're I mean they were credible guys they all seem credible.
Android (21:12)
these machine arrangements, could these vehicles have been something that we created to detect nuclear leakage?
know, some sort of.
Neal Girandola (21:19)
You're going back
to 1967, 63. That's tech that if that tech if it's that advanced at that time, man, they're they keeping a lot of secrets from us.
Android (21:22)
Yeah.
Yes, of course they are.
age of disclosure covers 80 years, right? So that would have technically been Roswell.
Neal Girandola (21:35)
Yeah, definitely that time that time period. But the question is, is this alien tech? Did it really happen? Are they? Why would they make these up? Just again, going back to my point, did they make up the legacy program for the for the documentary? Now? Now are they just finding guys to tell stories?
Android (21:35)
Okay, so if if
Right. I think if this was
alien tech, I think that these aliens, think about this, Valiant Thor that we've talked about, talked about end nuclear weapons. We've heard aliens say clean the planet. What does that mean, clean the planet? Does that mean get rid of all your nuclear weapons? It's dirty.
Neal Girandola (21:56)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah. It's dirty. It's dirty. Everything's dirty.
They should have a giant Roomba for the earth.
Android (22:09)
They should have a giant, it was a giant woodsy owl that hovered over the top of a missile
Neal Girandola (22:14)
What would he say?
Android (22:15)
He would say, ooh, give a hoot. Don't pollute
Neal Girandola (22:19)
it's true, but I will say
that when I, know, when they had Nuccetelli had Jeffrey Nuccetelli who was at the UAP hearing, as I
to me, cause I saw his testimony at that UAP hearing. This guy
truthful. It came across to me that, that, that, that event at Vandenberg with the red square, the size of a football field. He, not only he saw other saw it they didn't come
I don't see a reason for that to be a lie or to be made up unless he's an amazing
I believed him 100%. And then to see him in this documentary.
that made the other guys
that came forward in this that talked about them. We're talking specifically about these air base nuclear things.
just gave them credibility to me as well. And I felt like every one of those stories was true. I didn't doubt anybody.
Android (23:03)
Could he be emotional because he knows what's there? He knows what those weapons can
He knows the devastation that it can cause and he's like, please just, we need to dismantle this shit. We can't keep doing this.
Neal Girandola (23:17)
bring up a valid point, just because you are a government employee and you work at the highest levels in the government does not mean that you're not human. And it doesn't mean that you, you are concerned about the kinds of things that you guys are creating for mass destruction. maybe there are, you know, at their level, there's no way for them to stop it except to come up with some elaborate story that says,
Android (23:25)
Right. That doesn't catch up with you. Right.
Neal Girandola (23:41)
We're in danger here, not from just our own selves, but from somebody from another world.
Android (23:45)
Right.
It's funny that every time we talk about these nuclear weapons and the
if they're there, why are they not just taking them? Just take them away.
Neal Girandola (23:55)
Well,
Android (23:56)
Why?
Neal Girandola (23:56)
maybe there's rules
for them. Maybe there are true rules of engagement. I believe that there are.
Android (23:59)
like the, I mean, intergalactic rules, federation rules. You're not
allowed to interrupt with him. You can only.
Neal Girandola (24:06)
Well, we had on Sarah star who was a
part of the Galactic Federation. She communicates with a couple of aliens and she basically said that there are rules of
Android (24:09)
Galactus Empress or right?
Yeah, well those rules need to be broken because...
Neal Girandola (24:17)
I know that
sounds crazy and woo woo right now, but I'm just using it because this is our podcast. This is what we talk about. So,
we take all of that into consideration, there's, think there might be rules of
you know, here's the thing. They didn't stop the, ⁓ the atomic bomb.
Android (24:31)
the theory behind that is that they weren't really looking at us until we dropped the bombs. And that really got their
Neal Girandola (24:36)
Hmm.
like, they'll never do
my god, they did it.
Android (24:38)
Nah.
what they
believe that,
Neal Girandola (24:40)
Holy
Android (24:41)
I can't believe it
Neal Girandola (24:42)
did do
Android (24:43)
Yeah.
Neal Girandola (24:43)
assholes.
Android (24:44)
stories that we've reported on, we heard that the UFO crashed because they weren't used to our radar.
Neal Girandola (24:49)
I
know, but
we stay true to this documentary, the stories that they brought in, I thought to me of the Air Force base were very intriguing and interesting. It kind of moved the needle for me a little bit to go, hmm, okay. Okay. All
Android (24:56)
Right. Yeah, don't. Yeah, I didn't. I didn't believe this part. I didn't. I didn't
Neal Girandola (25:02)
So once the documentary
established capability and access, it then pivots to a bigger claim. And that was
tech technology.
that we basically do have. And one of the main things that they really leaned into was this warp bubble tech, the propulsion
It asserts that we may already have prototypes of propulsion technology based on a warp
a way of bending space-time around a craft, allowing it to move inside
own pocket of reality. And according to the whistleblowers, this is how UAPs can move without inertia.
make instant direction changes and appear to defy aerodynamics and travel interstellar distances in seconds.
film strongly suggests this
was
not
And now
reverse engineering it and they're looking into
And it's all very interesting. That to me blew my
Android (25:59)
I love the idea. I mean, I think it's
Neal Girandola (26:01)
And we've been living with it because Star Trek has warp speed
that kind of explains how that
Android (26:04)
Wars has
the Marvel universe, in the space realms of the Marvel universe, they use gates, right? They're moving at a certain speed and they jump to another dimension through these gates.
Neal Girandola (26:13)
Yeah, right. Yeah.
And all this is based on science in a sense, because we had on our space journalist guy in an upcoming episode hasn't been out
specifically knows of this science that is being worked on. He knows one of the guys that was with one of the NASA's most elite divisions.
that is working on the science of that and they're close to
Android (26:33)
Right.
as far as this guy at NASA knows, he doesn't know what Lockheed Martin has done or Skunk Fart and the rest of those losers,
Neal Girandola (26:40)
That's exactly right. As far as we know, because he's
left NASA and now he's with a private group. So he's working with a private group. So we don't know what that means.
to the documentary, we have that and that's how the aliens travel. This is what Lou Elizondo specifically said. So that's how these ships are traveling.
Android (26:53)
Yep. Well, that's how these ships are traveling. These unidentified
Neal Girandola (26:58)
And
Android (26:59)
objects.
Neal Girandola (26:59)
so basically Ben's space
at the bubble.
creates just a calm atmosphere. Yeah. It takes all of the energy.
Android (27:04)
Yeah, where I'm safe inside the ship, but everything else around the ship changes so that I can travel at this speed.
Neal Girandola (27:10)
if they have that technology, if we're reverse engineering that, do you think that it's already in, in works
watching it?
Android (27:16)
doing something. know, everybody gets excited about the bullet train that travels from New York to Washington, D.C.
Neal Girandola (27:24)
think how
excited they'll get about the warp bubble.
Android (27:27)
all these guys that are engineering it are thinking, well, yeah, once we fix that, how much money are we going to make off of that technology?
Neal Girandola (27:33)
Well,
that's what happens with
the defense contractors, immediately get this tech and they go, we're going to be trillionaires.
Android (27:34)
private defense contractor.
Why do
they call them defense
Neal Girandola (27:41)
contractors hired by the defense department.
Android (27:44)
to them, the Department of Defense has nothing to do with
Neal Girandola (27:47)
Right, they don't because they're paying you for a service.
we don't have anywhere to put these aliens. You guys take them. Okay. Just let us know if something.
Android (27:54)
Right, whatever you
Neal Girandola (27:56)
Go ahead and make your money.
Android (27:57)
you don't even have to tell
But I'd like my cut.
Neal Girandola (27:58)
Just let us know if
guys are the
we see
right. So the warp bubble thing I think is a mostly true story. Yeah. I think it's true, especially because we had our science, our space guy on and he was confirming the science behind it.
Android (28:02)
That... I think it's real. Yeah. I think it's real.
Yeah, yeah, Matt's awesome. was really
great. He really like described everything.
He spoke to me like I was five years old.
Neal Girandola (28:14)
fun.
Android (28:16)
I could understand what he was talking about.
Neal Girandola (28:17)
He really
the last thing that I thought was important to bring up
film goes a little personal, but not much under this one guy, intelligence officer, Michael
says the cost of this knowledge
is biological and not just
he's a former U S air force intelligence officer,
with additional ties to Navy
He worked in roles adjacent to the Pentagon's UAP task force
background centers on classified aerial threat analysis, intelligence reporting.
and field level investigations of anomalous arrow aerospace
he claims that during his years working around anomalous aerospace events, he was repeatedly exposed to what he calls exotic energy fields. They're emitted by UAP
to him, these encounters left him with radiation like injuries, chronic neurological symptoms and long-term biological
Apex, he says also impacted his wife and children.
after unexplained incidents occurred inside their
Flaherty believes these energy fields represent a form of advanced propulsion or defense technology. And his testimony is used in the documentary to highlight the hidden physical toll
who come too close to these objects. He also suggests that the lack of medical support and institutional protection for affected service members is part of a larger effort to keep UAP encounters.
we've heard this before from some other incidences back in the day where there's some veterans who didn't get health
and these guys were stationed in classified underground technology divisions that are supposedly were alien
And then that the government denied their existence and therefore denied providing them health coverage.
Android (30:04)
Yes. Yeah.
Yeah. They were exposed to some sort of radiation or something, right? And if the government said, we can help treat you for the radiation, then that means that they'd have to admit that shenanigans are happening. So.
Neal Girandola (30:17)
Yeah. Right. But I don't
get that because they could say that, yeah, we do have technology we were working on, but it's not alien, but it did have a radiation leak and these guys got sick. Let's help them.
Android (30:26)
They don't even want that to get
don't want any of it to get out. If they're doing something that can harm people, they don't want us to
Neal Girandola (30:33)
the thing with Flaherty from the documentary, ⁓ he, I don't, he didn't, I don't remember. Maybe you do. I don't remember specific incidences. He didn't share that with us, but he was basically leaning into where people are getting sick and killed because of the technology.
Android (30:45)
No. Yeah, he was so he
Yeah,
I mean, he spoke mostly of, and he kept saying, biological effects, biological effects and the people affected by it. But he didn't say,
Neal Girandola (30:53)
Yeah, yeah. Exotic energy fields. Yeah. Yeah.
Android (30:59)
let me show you this burn that I got.
Neal Girandola (31:01)
because of this.
he seems sick. He seemed
Android (31:04)
Yeah, he
Neal Girandola (31:04)
but he didn't get into specific details.
for me, uh, that I needed more details in terms of what he was talking about, because this could just be government technology. He was around and then it got him. I don't understand this whole thing. We do hear this quite a
Android (31:14)
Right.
Neal Girandola (31:20)
from our alien encounter stories that we
you think aliens are advanced enough that they don't, they're can create something that doesn't have
Android (31:27)
if you want to talk about radiation and things adapting to radiation, the aliens might have been exposed to radiation long enough to where they have an immunity
a scientist that did a study near
and the wolves of Chernobyl.
The wolves there and the animals there.
They were first exposed to all of that radiation
all the animals' bodies, their DNA has changed to adapt to where they are no longer affected by radiation.
capable of doing that, but probably over time with low doses of radiation, as we grow older, our bodies will adapt. The next generation will be able to be immune to
Neal Girandola (31:58)
Right.
Android (32:08)
if the,
Neal Girandola (32:08)
would be awful if that's what they
started doing is just slow doses across the world of radiation getting everyone their immunity built up more and more and more. Maybe that's why they're not revealing themselves yet because they're saying that's what we're not ready
Android (32:15)
getting them ready so that I could fly in that warp drive spaceship.
Neal Girandola (32:22)
Our bodies aren't able to handle that kind of interaction. And so we have to slowly condition the world.
Android (32:26)
Right.
Poison them. ⁓ condition, right, condition them.
Neal Girandola (32:32)
to be used
Android (32:33)
Yeah.
Neal Girandola (32:33)
to get the high levels of radiation to the point where aliens are like, now we can come down. Now we can reveal ourselves entirely. Imagine, Abby,
Android (32:36)
this world.
Because you can't
We talked about the Brazilian alien, right? Everybody got round him supposedly got sick and died
They don't know why mysteriously they died
Neal Girandola (32:45)
Mm. Mm.
Android (32:47)
was a lot of stuff in this in this film too, especially with with Elizondo saying that he He had a choice that he had to make
Neal Girandola (32:58)
Yeah.
Android (32:59)
He either needed to sneak out information or quit.
Neal Girandola (33:03)
Yeah, that was a part of the movie for me that I didn't hit
They really personalized him more than anybody else within this movie. ⁓ and, basically said he's a hero. That's basically what they were saying. He's a hero for doing what he's doing, but you had 30 other people here talking about all kinds of disclosure to me. I didn't, I thought that was out of line for the documentary, but then you go, well, he's one of the producers.
Android (33:11)
Yes. Yep.
Right. Yes. Yep.
Right.
Neal Girandola (33:28)
So was probably important to him to
I gotta be out front and I want it. I want people to know what I'm sacrificing and what I've done to make this possible. And what I'm doing for the
Android (33:31)
Right.
Neal Girandola (33:39)
me, it was kind of off putting for the movie itself because
Android (33:43)
Right?
Neal Girandola (33:44)
Lou, we do appreciate you, but why you calling it out yourself? I mean, it's, know, all my family has been suffering. I've been suffering. Well, no, y'all been.
Android (33:44)
Right?
Well, James was the
James said the same thing though, but he was, what I found fascinating was that between the two of them, between Lou and James, James just seemed angry.
Neal Girandola (34:02)
Jay. Yeah, Jay Stratton. Yeah.
Android (34:04)
Jay.
Neal Girandola (34:04)
yes, I don't you saying but they didn't call him out. They didn't say that he was brave. They didn't say that he's pushing forward with this. didn't say any. And you know who else was absent from this was
Android (34:08)
No. No.
Neal Girandola (34:14)
only they only in footage of him. Maybe he was not in it in the documentary. Why? Well, he's the one who keeps saying that his life's in danger. But I don't know.
Android (34:15)
They only showed footage of him. Yeah. Couldn't he, shouldn't he have been?
Maybe that's why he's not in the
Neal Girandola (34:26)
I see him making appearances. He's making appearances. In fact, he was making appearances on the launch of this.
Android (34:28)
Maybe, no, maybe they, you know what?
I bet you that they said, dude, if you're in this movie, it is gonna kill your career. Don't do it.
Neal Girandola (34:39)
sometimes doing too much of this,
desensitizes the impact of what they're trying to get their message about. Maybe they save some people for this. And I also was wondering too, with Lou, you know, because they called out Lou, you know, for his heroism and all of this stuff. well, that's the thing. Would they catch them on laundry day?
Android (34:43)
Right. Right.
But they didn't get him a better wardrobe?
Neal Girandola (34:59)
They catch him on laundry day. What was his small black t-shirt he was wearing? It was wrinkled and his jeans, you know, it was just, it was weird that he would wear that for this. It was an important documentary. You could dress up.
Android (35:06)
bedazzled. They were bedazzled.
Maybe he was like, ⁓ guys, I'm so sorry. I forgot we were filming today.
Neal Girandola (35:15)
All right. Let's get this out of the way.
Aliens exist. Here's where I know
Android (35:19)
Look at my oversized t-shirts that I'm wearing. I look so good in it. I love it.
Neal Girandola (35:23)
But you
know, I'm not taking away what he is trying to do. He is trying to do something important here, but there is also sometimes it leans into, it almost crosses the line of,
Android (35:28)
No.
Neal Girandola (35:35)
making a good living out of
I'm making more money now than I did with the
Android (35:36)
then...
Neal Girandola (35:39)
And because I talk about aliens, so let me keep doing this.
Android (35:39)
And but the other, right,
the other side was like, look at pitiful me. So that was like, poor me. And then, ⁓ look at me.
Neal Girandola (35:46)
Yeah.
Android (35:49)
Me. Yeah, a whole lot. Yeah.
Neal Girandola (35:49)
the film throws a lot at us. the crash retrievals, the,
⁓ nuclear shutdowns, the biological injuries, warp drives.
and these are just the claims that we pulled out of it. There's so many more, you know,
Android (36:01)
Yeah, and there's so much
stuff. Yeah, like, I mean, they talked a lot about a
about a tip.
Neal Girandola (36:04)
talked about the agencies,
they talked about their protocols, how they go through
assessing situations and things like
Android (36:09)
Yeah.
Neal Girandola (36:11)
Overall, Andrew,
it hit the mark for, for the audience? ⁓ and was it worth the $25 that nobody knew they had to buy this?
Android (36:21)
No, because all it kept saying is it's premiering on Amazon. Premiering on Amazon means that it's premiering on Amazon.
Neal Girandola (36:23)
Yeah.
Amazon
prime. So I figured if I have Amazon prime, I get this thing for free. And all of the comments in our side videos that we do about the documentary was like, I got to pay for this. Forget that. Like I've got a lot of this lot of that in our comments
Android (36:30)
Right, I can watch it.
Yeah,
that Amazon hasn't purchased the
Why? March? Right.
Neal Girandola (36:45)
And it took forever for it to come out. Now, I think there was an issue behind the scenes about it,
because it was announced
over almost two years.
Android (36:53)
Well, it premiered at South by Southwest back in March
an audience of 400 people who never spoke about it, who never said, wow, I saw a age of disclosure, man. My mind was blown. Wait till you guys see it. No, that never happened. No, no, I want my money back.
Neal Girandola (36:57)
Like 200 300 people. Yeah. No one. It's really gonna do it. Yeah. Right. Right. All right. So was it worth the 25 bucks you think? you're
right but you're I wouldn't say that.
Android (37:16)
I'm going to.
Neal Girandola (37:16)
I say want my money back because I
don't want I don't want people listening who are considering watching or are now interested in this because it maybe they didn't even hear of it to not watch it because we it is important that the message gets out. It is. I think there is definitely secret shit going on.
Android (37:22)
Right.
No, I get it. I get it. We watched it.
Neal Girandola (37:31)
I don't know if it's alien though. That's the
I think it's science. I think it's science advanced science that you know the
Pandora's box has been open many many years ago.
Android (37:42)
Agreed.
Neal Girandola (37:43)
and they can't put it back in the box. So this is what's come of it. Possibly.
I'm not saying either way, but.
Android (37:48)
Right.
Neal Girandola (37:49)
Was it worth 25 bucks or should everybody wait till it's on Netflix or you know, you can get it stream it free on 2b or something
Android (37:57)
I would wait. I would wait. Unless you don't know anything about this topic and this is all new and the only alien information you get is from us, I recommend just continue listening to us. We're free.
Neal Girandola (38:08)
Yeah, because we we are yeah, we're we
have all the pulse of the alien conversation. We are the forefront of all of
That's what people come to us for.
Android (38:17)
⁓
I, was hoping so much to learn something that we hadn't never heard. I mean, the only thing that we did with legacy program heard about that.
Neal Girandola (38:24)
Well, we did. The legacy program
warp technology,
defense contractors, the order
the legacy program. think it was important.
Android (38:32)
Yeah, but we were talking
about warp tech stuff before before age of
Neal Girandola (38:37)
is true, but here it confirmed in this with all of these credible people. Now, they really did pack the movie
almost too many people
from the government thing, but they're all, were for the most part just telling the same
we need disclosure. Yes, we need disclosure. Here we need disclosure. Yes, we need disclosure. Yeah, and I need disclosure because there's this group happening here and there's a group
Okay, great. What people really want to see is you sitting down with an alien.
and getting in your
bubble spaceship and taking off. This is what people really want to see. I want to see it. I don't want to see a picture. I want to see an alien going. Yeah. So here's the deal. I was captured in 47, right? I didn't speak English and I didn't even know about cigarettes,
Android (39:02)
and watch this.
Let me tell you something.
Neal Girandola (39:19)
I smoke constantly. I love
nothing happens to me because I can take radiation.
Android (39:21)
with Russell Crowe.
Neal Girandola (39:25)
you know what I'm saying but anybody comes around me gets sick and dies
Android (39:30)
if you touch my skin.
My skin is slimy. It's so disgusting. You're gonna hate it.
Neal Girandola (39:32)
Oh, don't touch me. You're not going to want to touch me. Could you be a deer
and get me another scotch? That's what I wanted to see. I want to see the, you know, how put off sitting there with his alien friend or, you know, Lou Elizondo, you know, and those guys just sort of in a little roundtable discussion. That would have been great. That would have moved the needle. That would have moved the
Android (39:49)
Can you imagine how awesome that would have been? That would have been great. That would have been
Neal Girandola (39:55)
But I do think that they overpacked the
Android (39:55)
Right.
Neal Girandola (39:58)
here's my
I thought the movie was beautifully shot one of the best
Alien documentaries ever, but it was just ⁓ it was a discovery channel on steroids documentary that was it Yeah, history channel Discovery Channel documentary more of a budget, right?
Android (40:10)
Yeah, it felt like a History Channel episode, right? With a little bit more of a budget, but no budget for wardrobe.
Neal Girandola (40:18)
Yeah, it was no real dramatic music like they usually do. And then the alien turned him and said,
we'll be right back after
Yeah. But, but, but that's, that's what it was. It was, it was well done. They're, they had very credible people in it in far as I'm concerned. But again, they all said the same
why the interesting thing that peaked my interest was the air force base nuclear stuff with the, you know, the visits that piqued my interest, the, biological conversation, the,
Android (40:42)
Yeah.
Neal Girandola (40:47)
⁓ the technology,
contractors, the government contractors, that kind of stuff was all very interesting. Does this movie, Andrew, in your
Android (40:50)
Right.
Neal Girandola (40:56)
Does it push the needle for the disclosure conversation
Android (40:59)
does. Even though I wasn't moved by much in this film, except for a few things, we need more disclosure.
you watching this film inspires you to ask for more disclosure, great. Then it's done its job.
You know, I'm walking away going, well, I really didn't learn very much from this film that I hadn't learned over the last several months, year that we've been working together and me doing research on alien technology and stuff. So it's like, meh.
Neal Girandola (41:29)
you and I are relatively new into the alien conversation, starting a podcast that talks about aliens, but we come come at it from a normal perspective. We don't get too crazy or woo about
Android (41:37)
Right.
Neal Girandola (41:38)
So we have learned a lot in this past seven, eight months of talking about aliens and telling alien stories.
Android (41:42)
Yep.
Neal Girandola (41:45)
and I will say that we probably knew more about
what this documentary was sharing with us than most people, because we've already heard these stories. We've seen these things. We've got these things. There a couple little, things that were
Android (41:53)
Yeah, right.
Neal Girandola (41:57)
So for me, the movie itself,
it's important because it does keep the conversation going. It makes people say, okay, shit's going on. Let's, let's look into
But the mainstream folks that aren't in our bubble are in our world. And there's a, there's, there's a hand, there's, there's a group. We see the same people all the time.
Android (42:12)
Yeah, right.
Neal Girandola (42:14)
that outside that bubble for the mainstream audience, I think this will be a very interesting documentary. I think they'll be like, are you shitting me? This is what this is. What's going on? Do I believe this? I might believe this because the way the documentary was
your $25 rental
lot of people away
Android (42:32)
a lot of people out. Maybe that's why they did
Neal Girandola (42:34)
they're not going to watch
Android (42:34)
There could be death.
Neal Girandola (42:35)
And then it'll be forgotten because they're not going to keep promoting the movie.
Android (42:35)
Right.
No.
Neal Girandola (42:39)
And
so I think that, I think maybe you got a, a, a, an ink
interest from people that are in the mainstream, not in the alien conversation on a consistent basis, but the documentary to me is important. The conversation is
continue to
we want to wait till the details come out about like,
What were the numbers on
Android (43:01)
I would love to know how many people actually purchased
Neal Girandola (43:04)
Yeah, and I think that's not released
numbers on the trailer, the free trailer that was sent out to promote it. It said got, it got more than 20 million views across platforms
so if you're going to get half of that audience to watch
Android (43:18)
Yeah, it's 10 %
instead two million people to watch it
Neal Girandola (43:20)
Maybe 2 million people watched
Android (43:22)
not gonna move the
Neal Girandola (43:22)
Could possibly be
first week viewership or audience size metrics
is not out yet.
All right. So, you're saying the
it wasn't worth the 25
I.
Android (43:32)
$9.99 would have been
Neal Girandola (43:33)
I agree with you. I don't think it was worth the $25. I do think though that it is important and important movie to watch.
I think there's some really cool claims in there that are that are interesting. And for the mainstream audience, I think you'll find this very intriguing.
Android (43:46)
and I don't think it's mostly true alien stuff. I think it's mostly true government cover-up.
Neal Girandola (43:52)
But not alien related in any of it
Android (43:53)
not alien related, no, I think it's technology
that we've broken and we are trying to make and people are dying by using
Neal Girandola (44:00)
You think it's
a whole
technology science.
Android (44:04)
wet
Neal Girandola (44:05)
now that I just heard too, and this is the big headline saying, and then we're going to wrap up,
because of the movie came out, they're waiting for the president now to come out and
aliens
we'll see if that happens
Android (44:16)
aliens are
Neal Girandola (44:19)
Mm
Mostly true
alien stories. Watch that
Android (44:23)
gonna say.
Neal Girandola (44:23)
right. Today
we walk through the age of disclosure, a documentary that set out to bring big claims, hidden programs and decades of testimony into the mainstream conversation from alleged crash retrievals to missile base incursions to biological effects and breakthrough propulsion. The film lays out a lot and asks the audience to
what feels credible. We took the topics that stood out to us
What was documented, who's saying it, what details line up, what details fall apart.
And what does your gut tell
Andrew says this is not a mostly true alien documentary story. He thinks it's basically
and I say that this is partially a mostly true alien story. There is some things that I think is government science related, but I think there are some alien stuff going on in there. Did the documentary move the needle for disclosure a little bit? Was it worth the 25 bucks? I don't think it was.
if
in the alien conversation, a lot of this will feel familiar. If you're new to it, this might be your
real look at how long this topic has been circling inside the military and intelligence
If you haven't already hit that subscribe button, share the show and let us
what stories you want us to cover next. Have a happy
are grateful for
and every one of you guys.
and Andrew, I'm grateful for you. I hope you have a happy
Android (45:38)
⁓
Neal Girandola (45:39)
I'll see you on the
Android (45:38)
too, Neil. I'm
Neal Girandola (45:41)
I'll see you on the next episode until then be kind to the aliens when they get here. Nice job, Andrew.
Android (45:41)
for you.
Thanks,
Bye.