Neal Girandola (00:00)
October 4th, 1967, Shag Harbor, Nova Scotia. A quiet fishing village, a calm Atlantic night, then four glowing lights streak across the
very
watch as the object slams into the
floats.
are
Coast Guard responds. The Canadian military
enter the water and sonar locks onto something moving beneath the surface.
And then
it's
there's only one official conclusion.
a
is the Shag Harbor
you
get into it. Welcome to another episode of Mostly True
Alien
Welcome back to Mostly True Alien Stories. It's the show where we take a true report of an alien encounter, lay out the facts and decide whether it's a mostly true alien story or
I'm Neil Girandola and I'm here with the man who,
doesn't trust anything that disappears into deep water.
hello to Andrew Triana. Hi, Andrew.
Android (01:12)
hi Neil! Welcome back!
had
a great holiday and I see you went to Norway.
Neal Girandola (01:16)
You like my house sweater? It's my house sweater.
Android (01:18)
I
I gotta get one. We need matching house sweaters.
Neal Girandola (01:20)
Yeah, you like
Android (01:21)
Or maybe I'll do an opposing country, whatever country opposes
Neal Girandola (01:25)
this is Norway
It is
Android (01:26)
It is Norway,
Neal Girandola (01:26)
today's story isn't just
to one of a, one of the only a few UFO incidents that have officially been acknowledged by a national government. So I'm excited to get into it. We're going to be heading to Canada to a case involving civilian witnesses.
police confirmation, military response, naval divers, sonar tracking, and an object that didn't just
it submerged and then it moved under the
Can't wait to dive into it. But before we get into
Android (01:53)
USO.
Neal Girandola (01:55)
wanted to hit on something that's very, very, current and that's the ⁓ very exciting and that's the Artemis project that's coming up.
Android (02:03)
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Neal Girandola (02:04)
the first time since the Apollo era, we're officially going back to the moon. So,
it's not just to visit, we're going to be staying
those of you don't know,
Artemis program is sort of the, it's already in
it's one of the first big
We'll start with Artemis 1. That was an uncrewed mission around the moon to stress test everything.
to go back to the
And that has already happened. So now the next one up is Artemis 2, which they're going to be sending out I think in February. They have a date, I think it's like February, late
And so if weather's permitting and everything's, know, the ship has been rolled out, they're going to be testing a few things,
Android (02:39)
Right, right.
Neal Girandola (02:43)
that's the first crewed mission. There's going to be four astronauts. not going to land on the moon yet,
but they're just going to do a full lunar
flyby.
And then after that
Artemis 3 and that's when they're going to just go.
Android (02:56)
and land.
Neal Girandola (02:57)
they're going to land there. They're going to
I guess a base.
Android (03:00)
wonder if communication has gotten better though, you know, cause when they, if they're going to orbit the moon in the old days with the Apollo, when they went to the dark, what they call the dark side of the moon, there was no communication and there was no communication for like 40 minutes.
Neal Girandola (03:11)
Mm.
Android (03:15)
So I wonder if they're going to, if they, communication has gotten better.
Neal Girandola (03:14)
Yeah, so I guess they're gonna be
I mean, I don't know. mean, how would it get better? What do they do? Put some satellite over on that side? Maybe this...
Android (03:24)
Yeah, they
went to Radio Shack and got a rabbit ear antenna.
Neal Girandola (03:27)
They got a bigger thing. Yeah, we're gonna need. Yeah,
hold it higher. Hold it higher.
Yeah, no,
Android (03:31)
Is that it? You got me?
Neal Girandola (03:33)
that's what this mission next month is about going. They're gonna be going around the moon. So maybe they are gonna be testing some of that stuff
already know what the surface is like. But the exciting thing is that they're gonna build those bases when they go
I'm a little scared. I'm a little scared. Like I'm a little nervous for them. How brave are those astronauts to go up and do this? First of all, for the mission for next month when they just circle the moon and they go look at it, that's still brave.
Android (03:57)
That's fine, they've
done that before, right? It's brave, but yeah.
Neal Girandola (04:00)
But then then, but they're prepping, they're going up with a different mindset this time because they're going up thinking about, we're going to go, we're going to go up and now build these bases. Are the same astronauts going to go up and do the bases?
Android (04:13)
think there's a whole crew. There's like, you know, probably close to a hundred, I would imagine. Guys in training and going,
they have to keep, you know.
Neal Girandola (04:21)
Yeah. Right.
Case one gets chickenpox.
Android (04:25)
Right. You just never know.
Neal Girandola (04:27)
Right?
you think that they're ever, they'll ever commercialize that if they build bases on the moon, they'll be like, Hey, you, you want to go to the moon? You can go to the moon. We
Android (04:34)
course.
What country is doing this?
Of course they're going to commercialize
then all the one percenters will go
Neal Girandola (04:41)
Yeah.
Android (04:43)
they'll be like, I went to space. It was fabulous. You should have been there. That's what they sound like to me in my head.
Neal Girandola (04:49)
they all sound like that. Everybody with
Yeah.
Android (04:51)
Look at me, I'm flying in a giant penis rocket. Woo!
Neal Girandola (04:55)
Well, I think it's exciting news. I'm excited for that.
you talk about the ocean space and things we don't fully understand, it brings us perfectly to tonight's story because decades before Artemis before satellites, before modern sensors, something strange didn't come down from the sky. went
into the water.
And that's what the story we're going to get into in just a minute. All right. As a reminder, this is how the show works. It's simple. We share a true
of an alien encounter and we walk through the
get my side. Then you're to get Andrew's and then we will weigh in on whether we think it's a mostly true alien story or not. All right. Let's get into
was on the night of October 4th, 1967.
Multiple residents of Shag Harbor, Nova Scotia were outside when
noticed something unusual in the sky.
amber colored lights were moving in formation,
rapidly toward the
witnesses described it as controlled and
seconds later, the light struck the surface of the Atlantic
roughly half a mile offshore.
but instead of exploding or sinking, the object
local residents immediately contacted the Royal Canadian Mounted Police and RCMP officer arise on scene and observes a large glowing object, partially
behind a yellowish foam on the water's
So the Coast Guard was then dispatched and believing it might be a downed aircraft, a search and rescue operation then began and boats.
moved into position, spotlights scanned the water, but as responders watched the object began to move
sonar later detected a submerged target traveling slowly along the ocean
And the Canadian Navy then joins the operation,
and divers were sent down, but no wreckage was ever
⁓ recovered. So over the next several days, sonar operators track the object as it traveled underwater toward the Shelburne Naval Base before disappearing entirely.
what makes this different isn't just the witnesses, it's what happens next. Because the Canadian government agencies conducted a formal investigation, documents were created, reports were filed, and after ruling out aircraft, ships, submarines, and natural phenomena,
The final classification wasn't very vague. It was just specific. It's a
that's an unidentified flying object for those of you. It's now called UAP, but whatever. So no debris was ever found. There was no explanation that was ever given either. And the case was just quietly and quickly archived. And decades later, those documents were released.
confirming that the Canadian government officially acknowledged the event as an unexplained object that entered the ocean and maneuvered underwater. And that's where the mystery still sits today. Andrew, I'm going to hand it over to you. have multiple witnesses. There was police confirmation, military response, sonar tracking, and an official government conclusion that something unidentified entered the water and it moved under the water under control.
What do you have on this? Andrew is this a mostly true alien story or not? Let's hear what you
Android (08:14)
Yes, it is.
Neal Girandola (08:15)
Okay. Thank you for listening everyone. We're all the, the U S O that's right. That's right. Yeah.
Android (08:15)
you.
It was a, it's a USO. It's a USO and unidentified submerged object. Yeah. It's
a U UAP, right? If it's above and on the ground and, but if it's under the water, it's a
Neal Girandola (08:26)
That's right.
Android (08:29)
I know because I go on
I haven't been able to tell you yet, but in March I go on the USO tour.
Neal Girandola (08:33)
You're back
we're back in. We're almost a March again. Holy cow. Yeah.
Android (08:34)
I'm back out.
Yeah, yeah. Back in March,
baby, with the
I do a three month tour for the aliens. It's fantastic. We're doing a,
Neal Girandola (08:43)
The aliens love you.
Android (08:44)
doing a combination of Brigadoon and Lamas together. Yeah.
Neal Girandola (08:46)
Mm-hmm. What?
Android (08:49)
a Miz is what it's called. Yeah.
Neal Girandola (08:49)
I didn't know they liked those shows.
Android (08:51)
they love
They frickin love musicals. Love it. Bring a Miz is what we're calling it.
Neal Girandola (08:54)
Wow. Okay.
You know what? I think you've been drinking too early this morning. All right, what do you got on this story?
Android (09:03)
Okay,
here's a little history. Shag Harbor, Nova Scotia, which is Canada, right?
you know that the town is named after a bird? I thought that was kind of cool. Shag Harbor is named after a bird. yeah. Shag Harbor bird,
Neal Girandola (09:15)
Shag Harbor. Okay, there's a Shag Harbor bird.
What's it look
Android (09:21)
I don't know, I never looked it up.
Neal Girandola (09:23)
I just thought it was interesting. That it was called a bird, but you didn't want to look at it.
Android (09:24)
I just thought it was interesting. And yeah, you know
what our listeners, you guys, why don't you guys go look it up?
Neal Girandola (09:28)
I'm going to look it
holy s**t. This bird is awesome
I wouldn't mind being living in a town that has his name. That's a bird that looks like this. Yeah.
Android (09:36)
It's named after this bird, this particular
bird.
Neal Girandola (09:38)
This bird looks cool. He's got a long
Android (09:40)
wrote the song about him. The bird bird bird, the bird is the word.
They didn't, that was made up, but check it out. It might be true. Okay. So there's only 400 people that live in shag
Neal Girandola (09:45)
Wow. okay. Shag Harborbird, bird bird bird. Okay.
Android (09:53)
it's rich in myths, legends, legends about ghost ships and sea serpents. Yeah. So when I was reading and studying about that, I was like, man, I want to go there.
Neal Girandola (09:59)
⁓ Really? Like what?
Android (10:07)
I think that's cool. I think that's really, really cool.
Neal Girandola (10:08)
Yeah. So as
of today, there's only there's 400 people.
Android (10:13)
Yeah, I'm not
sure what the population is as of today. This was as of 67, so it's not a big populated area. So I'm going to say it's still under a
Neal Girandola (10:23)
Yeah, I feel like with only 400 people in 1967 living there, I feel like every one of them should have seen this
of the UFO. ⁓ let's go. Let's go. Let's get into it.
Android (10:29)
Well, basically everyone did see the event. Okay, so rows
of orange lights floating over the sound hovering over and then they splash into the water. That's really like the big thing, right? So
Neal Girandola (10:39)
Yes. Right.
Android (10:42)
Wickens, ⁓ Lori, sorry, Lori Wickens and four of her friends were driving down highway three after 11 PM. They saw three yellow blinking lights in the sky heading towards the water where it crashed.
They pulled their car over. They saw it floating. They thought it was a plane that crashed. That's the first thing that they thought. So they get back in the car and they drove to Woodhaven, which is a town that's close by. They drove to Woodhaven to use a pay phone. You know, it's 1967. Nobody has cell phones. Nobody has anything. They call the
Neal Girandola (11:04)
Yeah, right. I would think that. Yeah, sure.
Sure, yeah, couldn't just call anybody.
Android (11:18)
They get a police officer on the phone. His name was Corporal Victor Wurbix. And he asked Lori if she was sober.
That was the first thing he asked. Are you drunk? And she said, look, I haven't been drinking. He told her to stay by that telephone and that he would call her
kind of cool. In the US, you never really saw what the number was on a payphone. don't know. Remember, people would scrape it off. You'd be like, call me back. And like, there's no number listed here.
Neal Girandola (11:42)
No. Yeah. Yeah.
Android (11:47)
the police, right when that guy, ⁓
Victor hangs up the phone. The phone rings again. He gets another call from a woman named Mary Banks. And she says, ⁓ she's. Yeah, yeah, so right near Shag Harbor, there's a small little town called Maggie Garren's Point. It's about four minutes from Shag Harbor. She saw the crash
Neal Girandola (11:58)
So witnesses, so witnesses are starting to call in every bunch of people have seen this. Okay. So they're starting to call.
Android (12:12)
So Victor calls two other constables. He calls Ron Pond and he calls Ron O'Brien.
And they go to meet up at the Irish Moss plant. So there was a thing called the Irish Moss plant, which was a facility where they manufactured stuff and they're going to go and meet
he calls Lori back. Right. And he tells her, ⁓ Hey, go meet up at the Moss plant. We're going to at the Irish Moss plant. We're going to meet there. And then you guys can tell us everything that you saw. Now the plant is on the water.
So they should be able to still see the wreckage or whatever is out
Neal Girandola (12:47)
Sure.
Android (12:50)
Victor goes out there. He got his two buddies to go with him, two other constables, they head out
They're joined by now other people that saw it because everybody's going to this place. I couldn't figure out if like the Irish moss plant was like the place to go at night to see things on the water.
Neal Girandola (13:06)
Yeah.
Android (13:07)
Not really
sure, but it must have been a common enough area that people knew to go there. Like if the town's in distress, everybody meet up at the plant, I guess.
Neal Girandola (13:15)
What time of year was this?
Android (13:17)
October.
Neal Girandola (13:18)
October. it's still nice out probably getting a little chilly.
Android (13:19)
still, yeah,
so two other people join them. Norman Smith and his father Wilfred Smith up here at the Moss Plains as well. Now they're all sitting there going, what's going on? What's going on? Right? So they looked out and they saw one dim light now on the horizon. So there were three, there were four to begin with and there was three, now there's just
Neal Girandola (13:30)
Mm.
Android (13:43)
So I don't know if this thing is losing power. I don't know.
Neal Girandola (13:45)
Yeah, sinking.
Right.
Android (13:46)
what's happened, but
I guess they had binoculars because they were able to see that the thing was about 10 feet high on the water and it looked to be about 60 feet
All right. Then.
Neal Girandola (13:57)
That's pretty big. have
they have they called the Coast Guard
At this point, they're just viewing everything from the land.
Android (14:02)
No, not yet, not yet, not yet. They're just viewing everything and then they're gonna call the Coast
Neal Girandola (14:08)
Isn't that funny? I wouldn't you think that they would call the Coast Guard
Android (14:07)
Then the light vanished.
Neal Girandola (14:12)
It looks like something went down in the ocean. You know, we need to check that out.
Android (14:12)
Well,
Yeah,
well, they would actually call the Halifax rescue center first. That's who they call first before calling the Coast Guard, which is the local Harbor
Neal Girandola (14:20)
Okay. Okay. Okay.
Android (14:24)
The light vanished. And now somebody I guess either one of the guys got on the radio and was like, hey, breaker breaker, we got a some bogey and floating in the water. You know, I don't know how it would have been.
Neal Girandola (14:34)
And then the
other guy was like, Roger that Tim Ford got your coordinates and we're going to go ahead and check that out Roger over now.
Android (14:40)
⁓ there's a white light that just vanished. Can you hear that, Roger?
Neal Girandola (14:45)
I saw the vanish. Yeah, it looks like might be alien might want to go out and check that it might be alien over
Android (14:52)
If it's a day later, I'm not going out there.
Neal Girandola (14:54)
You're gonna
have to do that your job.
Over now. Over now.
Android (14:55)
Alright over. Alright over. OK, so the
light vanishes. They go to a pay phone, I guess, or they use the radio to contact the Halo Facts Center to let them know that a plane crashed, right? So they're still calling it a plane crash.
Neal Girandola (15:08)
okay.
Of course. Yeah.
Android (15:10)
So then two fishermen show up.
Neal Girandola (15:12)
I'm sorry, the ⁓ Lori, Lori, first witness that called in from the phone
Android (15:17)
Lori, the drunk girl, yeah, the drunk girl.
Neal Girandola (15:21)
you know if she said it looks like a plane went down or what was her explanation?
Android (15:25)
That's what she said. Yeah, that's
what she thought that they they'll her and the three friends in the car thought that it was a plane crash. That's the first thing that they thought.
Neal Girandola (15:30)
All right, awesome. Okay, okay.
Android (15:32)
So two fishermen show up Bradford shant and Lawrence Smith.
I mentioned Wilford Smith and Norman Smith. Well, Wilford Smith's this is his brother. Okay. So it's a very small, small community. Right.
Neal Girandola (15:40)
Yeah. ⁓
Okay. Whole family's there. Yeah. Whole family's there. Were they on-
in a boat? Did they pull up in a boat? Okay.
Android (15:53)
They had a boat. So
they asked to go out to the crash site. So these guys get in the
and they go out to the crash site. Yeah, before Harfax police. Yeah, before the Halifax ⁓ rescue center gets there.
Neal Girandola (16:07)
You gotta love small town mindsets. Yeah. Yeah, sure.
Android (16:10)
Well, they want to see if it's a plane. They want to help people. That's their, that was
their whole mindset. They wanted to be able to help somebody if they were in need, which is fantastic. Right. That's we all should do
Neal Girandola (16:17)
Yeah,
Would have you gone
Android (16:20)
yeah, I have gone
unless they were like, it's an alien. Like, ⁓ I guess they're dead. Bye.
Neal Girandola (16:23)
You
Android (16:27)
I can't go out because if it's an alien, then that proves all my theories to be false. So no, I'm not.
Neal Girandola (16:31)
That's right. Yeah. No, you
go out and you drown them. And go, yes, not aliens!
Android (16:35)
like
I don't think it's an alien.
Neal Girandola (16:37)
No, just- just stay there, I'm good.
Android (16:39)
I got this. Shut up. Shut up. Quit screaming.
Okay. So there was nothing there when they got out there except a thick yellow foam, these bubbles,
Neal Girandola (16:49)
Mm.
Android (16:51)
and it stretched for about 80 feet wide and it appeared to be like a half a mile long. So it appeared that the thing was
Okay. And it smelled, they said it smelled like sulfur. This is our famous sulfur smell. do this.
Neal Girandola (17:00)
So drag, it's the drag of whatever it was. That's ⁓ interesting. Yeah.
Android (17:08)
Every
time there's some alien or some sort of high tech they're using sulfur. So I think they're running on eggs.
Neal Girandola (17:13)
sure
use
Android (17:15)
Yeah, eggs and kale.
Neal Girandola (17:16)
eggs and kale that that's been the secret this whole time that's yeah
Android (17:20)
I need more kale. Bring
me more kale. We got enough eggs. We have plenty of eggs. Bring the kale now. OK, so
all of a sudden, guess who shows
The Coast Guard, all right, so the Coast Guard appears. Ronnie Newwell was the captain on board. He confirmed that there were no plane crashes in that
Neal Girandola (17:32)
Mm. Mm.
Android (17:43)
All commercial and military planes were accounted for.
Neal Girandola (17:47)
Okay.
Android (17:47)
That's
kind of a weird thing to just come out and say, hang on, I just want to you know it's not a plane
What? How do you know that? We
Neal Girandola (17:53)
What does he mean by accounted for? Because don't aren't there sometimes rogue planes or they lose control or they're, know, they got lost or isn't it foggy out
Android (18:00)
Yep.
you not hear? What captain Ronnie knew all said all planes
Millie commercial and military were accounted for. Well, that's a weird thing to tell me, but okay. Thanks. I trust you buddy. Thanks. Cause you're a captain. Right. Right.
Neal Girandola (18:06)
we're accounted for.
Yeah.
But that's his first, he's going in with that mindset. It's definitely not a plane. It's not a plane. I already know this because everything's accounted
Android (18:22)
It's gotta be something
Neal Girandola (18:21)
So it's gotta be something else.
Android (18:24)
OK, so the foam that was out there vanished within an hour. It was
3 AM that night. Remember this started at 11 PM by 3 AM. They called off the search because it was just late and it was dark and they guess they couldn't get anybody out
Neal Girandola (18:31)
Yeah.
kind of low budget. I mean, what if it were people? What if it actually was some people in some crap that crashed? we're just calling this
Android (18:43)
That's what I thought.
Neal Girandola (18:45)
going to call it. It's late. It's late. Everyone. We put in two hours. We put into a tired.
Android (18:46)
Hey, guys. You know what, guys?
Neal Girandola (18:51)
Yeah. I gotta get, I'm hungry. I'm
Android (18:51)
Well, it's three. I got to go home. I got to get up early.
Neal Girandola (18:56)
Let's go. They'll be fine. Call it
Android (18:55)
you guys want to go to the diner?
Neal Girandola (18:58)
know, the yellow stuff's gone. So where I think there'll be all right. Let's go.
Android (19:01)
Right,
you smell that
Nope. I've been driving in the car with Ed all night. Tell me if I smell sulfur. Tell you I smell shit. ⁓
Neal Girandola (19:06)
Ed wake up! Ed wake
up! Tell him!
Android (19:10)
we're calling the search office three. I'm tired. Y'all fall
So
Neal Girandola (19:14)
It is
Android (19:16)
I thought it was on. There's a lot of oddities.
Neal Girandola (19:14)
right? It is odd. End of the day. Yeah. I think you search
until you can't, you know, until you don't find anything. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Right. Yeah. Yeah.
Android (19:21)
until you don't find anything, right? They should have had divers out there that night. They should have had it all out there, okay?
So on October 5th, an official report came out saying an object of unknown
had fallen into the water by Shag
Neal Girandola (19:34)
Right.
Android (19:36)
an object of unknown origin. Once the report got to
Neal Girandola (19:36)
Mm-hmm. Yep.
Android (19:40)
they sent the HMCS.
you know what that is?
Neal Girandola (19:43)
⁓ The Harbor Marine
Android (19:46)
Nope.
Neal Girandola (19:47)
Henry you get let's just let me guess
Android (19:46)
Her Majesty's or his Majesty's
Neal Girandola (19:50)
Majesty's Royal Canadian Guard friend Her Majesty's neighbor
Android (19:56)
The Royal Canadian Navy. it's also
it's also called ⁓ her his or her majesty's whatever the king is at the time, his or her majesty's Canadian ship.
So they have a ship a special ship that is that that's part of the Royal Canadian Navy. Yeah.
Neal Girandola (20:09)
I imagine that's a big deal. I imagine
that's big deal. If they're sending that out, it's a big deal. Let's go. Let's go make this really investigate this.
Android (20:14)
Right. So,
right. So they started the search. They sent out a search party. They're doing search or going, they break divers. brought on underwater cameras or whatever. Right.
Neal Girandola (20:20)
Mm. okay. But this is next day or couple days?
Android (20:26)
is later because the Chronicle, this was on the fifth, sorry, on the fifth, the Chronicle Herald wrote on October 7th, the headline could be something concrete in Shag Harbor UFO reported by the RCAF.
the Royal Canadian Air Force. Now we just had the Navy out here. Why is the Air Force now talking?
Neal Girandola (20:42)
Huh. Yeah.
Right,
Android (20:48)
So the HMCS and the RCAF, so that's the Royal Canadian Navy and the Royal Canadian Air Force, searched with divers and ships until October the 9th.
They found
And the story only stayed within that region. It didn't go mass. It didn't go
It wasn't until 1993, all of it changed. Chris Stiles,
saw this UFO. This guy came forward and said he saw the UFO in 1967
he joined
Neal Girandola (21:17)
So you're talking
25 years later, this guy comes out.
Android (21:20)
Basically,
Yeah, 67, 97 would have been 30 years, right? So 26, yeah, 26, 25, six years later, right.
Neal Girandola (21:22)
That's odd.
I do
You didn't have to check my math. You just checked my math.
Android (21:31)
Hold on shh shh.
Neal Girandola (21:31)
Am I right? I right? Carry the- yep carry it. Yep.
Android (21:34)
Carry the one.
You why? Because you spent the holidays in Norway. You got smart.
Neal Girandola (21:40)
I pretend Norway in my
Everyone put on your Norway sweaters. Meet me in the
Android (21:44)
So cold in Norway. Oh, look, there's gnomes. I love it. Okay,
Neal Girandola (21:46)
you
Android (21:49)
this guy came forward in 1993. He said he saw the UFO in 67, 25 or 26
Neal Girandola (21:52)
20 but 25 26 years later. Why?
Android (21:56)
He joined MUFAD.
Neal Girandola (21:57)
Well.
Android (21:58)
Chris and Don Ledger interviewed him and found UFO sightings in that area going back to the 1940s.
So UFOs apparently have been appearing along with ghost ships and sea serpents and all kinds of other myths in Shag Harbor. UFOs have been there. Many witnesses are from Shag
Neal Girandola (22:12)
Wow. Yeah.
Android (22:17)
wrote a book, of course, see these guys, all they want to do is write a book called Dark
the world's only government documented UFO crash.
And that is Shag Harbor, just so our listeners understand
The only documented by any government in the whole world, the only documented UFO crash has been in Shag Harbor.
Neal Girandola (22:35)
at the
isn't there another government documented government ⁓ okay ⁓ yeah okay yeah okay I got you yeah yeah gotcha yeah
Android (22:37)
This is 1993, so when they said this, so, you know, let's, we gotta go back in time to 93. So in 1993, this was the only documented governmental UFO crash,
The thesis, I'm gonna give you the thesis behind Dark Object, okay, because I found this fascinating.
said that on October 4th, the book, this is the book, right, a UFO from space fell.
Neal Girandola (22:57)
The book, this is the book that they wrote. Yeah.
Android (23:04)
into the Sound at Shaq Harbor. It then traveled underwater to a camp in Nova Scotia called Government Point about 25 miles
Sure.
Neal Girandola (23:16)
Can I stop you for a second?
this book written as a fiction or nonfiction.
Android (23:20)
was written as nonfiction,
This is based on their theory that they came up with, talking to this guy, Chris, and they wrote this book. Right, so this is the thesis, right, go ahead.
Neal Girandola (23:21)
So.
Okay. So their theory, I haven't heard,
I haven't heard from you
on your investigation that anyone reported that this ship moved underwater other than from this guy 26 years later when he was putting a book out. Okay. So go ahead. just, just
Android (23:39)
Right, right, right, right. That's another
fascinating thing too, because when they got there, there was nothing. But there was that trail of a half mile of foam, 80 feet wide. That doesn't mean anything. The water could have, right, nobody said, I saw it underwater. I swam with it because,
Neal Girandola (23:50)
Sure, but nobody said.
Okay. All right. So
Android (23:58)
right,
Neal Girandola (23:58)
except for this guy selling his
Android (24:00)
except for this guy. This is his theory, right? This is his theory, right? It landed in the
Neal Girandola (24:01)
26 years later. Okay. Yeah, I got you.
Android (24:05)
right? So then that gets...
See, what happens is all this stuff gets caught up in the legend of Shag Harbor,
Because now they take dark thesis and they go, ⁓ they put that as part of the story, that it then went underwater and it flew to, it crashed and it flew up out of the water and it did all
Neal Girandola (24:11)
You're right. Sure.
Well, it's it's
So it's just like that
and I'm a pop when they the whole town was protected by aliens is how it's set up.
Android (24:29)
Yeah, yeah.
Neal Girandola (24:30)
So
now you have, you know, so, so anything that happens over there in Mexico is alien. So same with, I guess in Shack Harbor with all of these, this, these stories of.
Android (24:36)
Right, right.
Well,
the aliens there do protected them from hurricanes and all kinds of stuff. So that's cool.
Neal Girandola (24:43)
Yeah, yeah, exactly. But here we are
in shack Harbor now because of they have this great history
surf sea serpents and things like that. Now, you know, here we are. This is a great spot. If there is a report of a UFO or aliens, this would make for a great book. So
Android (24:49)
myths and see serpents, right.
Right.
Right. And
let's talk about 1940s that the UFO sightings have been happening there since the 40s. And now we're in 1967. So it's 27 years later, they had time to build the
Neal Girandola (25:04)
Yeah.
Android (25:09)
They're aliens, right? High tech, super tech. Okay. So let me give you this thesis.
Neal Girandola (25:08)
Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Android (25:14)
thesis is this, that shortly after 11 PM on October 4th, 1967, a UFO fell from space, fell into the sound at Shack Harbor. It then sunk. And that's what the people witnessed it sinking in the thing, right?
Neal Girandola (25:27)
Mm-hmm.
Android (25:27)
It released the sulfur foam all over the water and then it
to a camp in Nova Scotia called Government Point about 25 miles away. It stopped at the Canadian Forces
They got
Neal Girandola (25:41)
something to
Android (25:42)
couple chili dogs. I have what they
Neal Girandola (25:43)
Yeah.
Android (25:45)
two chili dogs.
Neal Girandola (25:48)
That's not true, listeners.
Android (25:49)
A veggie burger. I didn't know they had veggie burgers.
Neal Girandola (25:52)
eggs.
Android (25:53)
Eggs and a bucket of kale.
Neal Girandola (25:56)
They were
They were hungry. Yeah. yeah, that's true. Yeah.
Android (25:57)
Well, the kale and the eggs are for the ship. Okay.
So the Canadian forces station was a military
and the purpose was the monitor. Are you ready? Cold war submarines. So the CFS spotted the UFO under the water.
Neal Girandola (26:10)
Okay, I mean that makes sense
Android (26:14)
It became a USO. The Canadian Navy sent crafts to intercept this craft.
Neal Girandola (26:16)
Mm-hmm.
Android (26:20)
Within a couple days, another craft appeared where the first craft had appeared. Chris and Don believe the second UFO was sent by the same aliens as the first
The second one was sent to help the first distressed ship, according to the book.
Neal Girandola (26:37)
Okay, so
So they're saying there were two ships. So one came in, the one that leaked sulfur was distressed. Yeah. Then another one came, landed, but nobody saw that. All right. So, but they moved over it. All right. And so they were helping each other. Okay. I got
Android (26:38)
right.
crashed, right, distressed.
No, saw.
Both the UFO slash USO
were monitored according to these guys for several days.
Then both crafts, both crafts started speeding towards the Gulf of Maine where they both leapt from the water and shot up towards the sky.
The
Neal Girandola (27:14)
are these guys basing all of this on
documents or files or facts or what are what are they just making a story?
Android (27:21)
There were no witnesses. And the ones that told their stories about this, the witnesses that did come forward to talk about it, remain anonymous for fear of shame and risk of losing their pensions or their jobs.
Neal Girandola (27:34)
That's
could say.
Android (27:36)
But what's cool
is that every year they have a festival. UFO festival in September or October. This past year in 2025 it was October 3rd through October the
Neal Girandola (27:42)
We're gonna go.
Android (27:48)
here's what some people are saying. Some people saying that it was a secret military aircraft. Some a fallen Russian
Other people believe that the floating lights were flares released due to a crash.
But nothing, this is a fascinating thing, nothing accounts for the stinky yellow
Neal Girandola (28:06)
Right, dissipated after an hour or so.
Android (28:08)
that
Neal Girandola (28:09)
right, so,
Android (28:08)
Nobody got a sample of
No samples were taken, just they saw it and smelt it and that's it. And those were only from the two guys on the boat, the two fishermen. So.
Neal Girandola (28:15)
Yeah, right. Because
they were the first ones out there and they were just locals that live there. Fishermen.
Android (28:21)
all I got for you.
Neal Girandola (28:21)
we should weigh in but I just need some clarification. So just for clarification and for our listeners to because if I don't understand, I don't know that our listeners do but that's not true. I'm not smart as our listeners.
We're talking about only one craft was seen.
One unidentified object was seen going into the water,
Android (28:40)
Yes.
Neal Girandola (28:40)
it's crashing or controlled. No one actually saw it move underwater. They just saw it in the water. They saw lights. They saw them slowly disappearing lights.
Android (28:46)
No one.
Neal Girandola (28:50)
There was sulfur. There was the yellow foam and then, and then nothing.
Android (28:58)
Nothing.
Neal Girandola (28:59)
and then they classified this as a unidentified object the government classified as that this guy 26 years later what's his name Brian Chris.
Android (29:03)
Yeah. Right.
Chris...
Chris
Neal Girandola (29:11)
So Chris styles then who's a part of move on the new the mutual UFO
Android (29:14)
Mm Got together with two other guys.
Neal Girandola (29:17)
got together two other guys and wrote a book.
Android (29:20)
called Dark object.
Neal Girandola (29:21)
that they're basing it as
And then their whole premise is that one crashed, another object came, a UFO came, went underwater. And, they, don't know, are they just, they're just, we don't know if they pulled that from documents or facts or radar or reports. Witnesses said they saw shit going there.
Android (29:33)
Then they both went underwater and flew away.
They got it from witnesses. Witnesses.
They saw
it going underwater. Yeah, they saw it and they saw both ships fly
they're anonymous because they don't want to lose their pensions or be
Neal Girandola (29:53)
All right. Well,
Android (29:54)
It's
actually a very popular selling book too, by the way. Just like a lot of these are.
Neal Girandola (29:59)
Yeah, well,
yeah, it's a great story.
you think that this is a mostly true alien story or not based on all the information that we only know right here right now that we've shared with each other?
Android (30:08)
Okay. I'm going to say
at first
they saw the lights and it disappeared and they read about the stinky foam and then they found nothing.
I was like, yes, this is something weird. Don't know what it is. But as I dug into it and I saw that
Neal Girandola (30:19)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Android (30:22)
made these stories mesh together by taking the, the so what so-called witness accounts from dark object and mashing it into the original story. Absolutely not.
I think it is, I think it was a craft. think it was an experimental craft by either Canada or the U S or possibly
fact that we mentioned the CFS doing their investigations to monitor Russian submarines. It's the cold war dudes, 1967. This is serious. If they're coming in, they're coming in from Nova Scotia. They're coming in through
I'm going to say
Neal Girandola (30:58)
So you.
Android (30:59)
No, it's not a mostly true alien
these guys lied and ruined the whole
Neal Girandola (31:01)
Okay.
think it was
Android (31:06)
Not these guys. think that I think that it just got that way, you know, because what happens a lot with these stories, and I think you've noticed this too, as we investigate, these are stories from years ago, right? From 50 years ago. And then all of a sudden they resurface out of nowhere. Like
Neal Girandola (31:18)
Yep.
Android (31:21)
was an unidentified flying object and I think it was an object that nobody had ever seen before,
I don't think it's alien in nature. I think it's something that we created here, humans.
Neal Girandola (31:30)
you say it's not a mostly drilling story. I, I is my turn to weigh
know, you had a lot of credible people call in that witnessed exactly what fell into the ocean.
saw something fall in the ocean. They didn't know what it was, whether it was a plane or the first first their first instinct was to say it was an
nothing was found. And I think after you know, within a few hours, if an airplane went in, you'd see it.
Android (31:50)
Well, remember, it's the
government. It's the government telling you that nothing's found.
Neal Girandola (31:55)
Yeah, but you do think the witnesses all went home or they stand on the shores watching will join us.
Android (31:59)
No, because the
Royal Canadian Navy came. They took over the investigation.
Neal Girandola (32:03)
Yeah.
But when did they come? came days later.
Android (32:05)
Two days later, it was in the water. These guys that lived in that town, they don't have diving equipment. They can't go down in the water. That thing frickin' sunk. And it might have floated off, for all we know. But whatever was there sunk in the
Neal Girandola (32:09)
Yeah.
Yeah. Right.
I wonder like if a meteor came in to the ocean would that leave like a sulfur yellow residue?
know what mean? Could
Android (32:26)
Space
Neal Girandola (32:26)
Something something obviously did go into the water. So let's let's let's that's
Here's where I have a
a guy 26 years later who is in part of move on if he's if he's very creative and he's
looking for opportunity you could very easily look up all of these these reports of things to create yet but to create a to create a write a book and you can say that I was there because how am I going to prove that you weren't
Android (32:45)
I did.
Yeah.
Neal Girandola (32:55)
It sounded me just from the story itself. Like he's just pulling stuff out of thin air that, it was a second UFO and that came down. And I, I, the guys, I, I'm friends with the guys who saw it, but they don't want to come forward. That's such a cop out for me. I, you know, the story I was believable for in the beginning, but when this guy comes out and adds to it and then creates a book and then makes money on it.
To me, I don't have a problem with people capitalizing on if they were a firsthand witness to something that occurred. But this guy is reporting on things that no one else corroborated on. There was no other facts or documents or reports of a second
Android (33:22)
Right.
Neal Girandola (33:31)
no one actually saw the ship move in the water. They just saw this yellow foam. saw things
I think it's a great story. I think the first part of it is true. Was that an alien object? ⁓ no, maybe it was government. Maybe it was government. ⁓ but I think the rest of that story is not true. And I don't think this is a mostly true alien story. I think this
something experimental that the government may have been involved in it crashed and then they needed to get rid of it. But then the rest of it, this guy,
all right. We looked at one of the strangest and most credible UFO cases on record. It's a craft seen by civilians. It's confirmed by the police investigated by the military and officially logged as
Andrew says it's not a mostly true alien story. I agree with him. This is not a mostly true alien story.
Whether you think this was advanced technology, a natural phenomenon we don't yet understand or something from somewhere else entirely, shag Harbor remains one of the few cases where a government openly admitted we don't know what this
you haven't already, make sure to subscribe, share this show and let us know which stories you want us to investigate next. And we'll let you know whether we think they're mostly true or not until then.
Be kind to the aliens when they get here. Nice job, Andrew. Thank you for all that.
Android (34:50)
Thanks, Neil.