Neal Girandola (00:00)
January
1967,
South Ashburn, Massachusetts. A quiet home, a family of seven people inside.
A blinding light fills the living
Five unexplained figures pass through the
opening
The family is frozen in
Homeowner Betty Andreessen is taken to their
She's missing time.
She says the beings weren't
They were
This
the Betty Andreessen abduction.
you
get into
to another episode of Mostly
Alien Stories.
back to mostly true alien stories. I'm Neil Gerandola and this is the podcast where we take a true report of an alien encounter from history. We share what we know, then decide whether it's a mostly true alien story or not. And today's report is a little bit alien and a little bit spiritual. It doesn't look like the other true reports we've told in the past and it certainly doesn't sound like them either. And it doesn't end where you expect.
This is the Betty Andreessen abduction, family frozen in time, figures have passed through walls and a journey on a hovering craft. will soon remember after hypnotherapy. But before we get into it, make sure you hit that subscribe button on whatever channel you're listening through and follow us on Instagram and Tik TOK. I'm mostly true alien
And of course, helping me break down today's report is the one man who would abduct himself to see if anybody would notice he's
hello to Andrew Triana. Hi, Andrew.
Android (01:50)
Hi, Neil.
Neal Girandola (01:51)
How are
Android (01:52)
I'm good, man. How are you?
Neal Girandola (01:53)
really good. I have some exciting news to share with you from this past week. Well, you know, you
Android (01:54)
Yeah?
Really? What is that?
Neal Girandola (02:01)
have you heard of Michio Kaku?
Android (02:03)
I call me Chio Cuckoo, but
Neal Girandola (02:05)
I call him
He's my buddy.
Anyway, a claim has
circulating online that he has warned
aliens are secretly destroying our satellites as a prelude to an alien attack on
I mean, it sounds pretty dramatic. know, he you know who he's a theoretical physicist.
Android (02:19)
Ooh.
No, that does.
Neal Girandola (02:25)
known for discussing hypothetical extraterrestrial.
scenarios.
Android (02:29)
Right.
Neal Girandola (02:29)
in past interviews, he's talked about how an advanced civilization could disable satellites as a strategic move. The whole conversation about aliens that are going to destroy our satellites is just not a true conversation. mean, he never said it.
Android (02:36)
for care.
No.
Neal Girandola (02:46)
just talked about scenarios. He's like the Avi Loeb of aliens scenarios, you know, where
Maybe aliens would, I think if they were to, yeah, yeah. If they were to attack us, that is actually, if you really think about it, it is a great way to debilitate us and to shut down our communications in that regard and have aliens attack our satellites and knock it
Android (02:53)
Right. The what if, the what if, right?
Isn't that
what Elon Musk is doing now with Starlink basically? He's putting up all his satellites and scrambling communications and other satellites.
Neal Girandola (03:18)
Well, he's
I don't know that he is doing that purposefully, but that is a lot of the major problem with Starlink satellites are failing.
are failing and dropping out. think it's like two per day or something like that, or two per week or something or dropping from the sky. And that's where this is colliding with, ⁓ you know, a guy like Michio Kaku,
Android (03:30)
Yeah, yeah.
Neal Girandola (03:39)
just a what if scenario of
aliens are attacking it so then somebody goes well wait satellites are falling so then the conspiracists say here we go and then the viral claim goes it collides and then all of sudden it's alien
Android (03:49)
Right. Yeah,
Neal Girandola (03:52)
and
Android (03:52)
it's mostly because those
are 90 day satellites, what they call 90 day satellites, they can only stay up for 90 days.
Neal Girandola (03:59)
that right? didn't know there were 90 days. were, yeah, they were only, no, oh, oh, they had 90 days. Yeah. Yeah. All right.
Android (04:00)
I don't know there's not it's what it feels like like the warranty ran out on them you know hey that three month warranty is out you want to extend it
no.
Neal Girandola (04:10)
I called you over the weekend to tell you to kind of complain about Independence Day the movie and you know what's so funny that
because it's out on Netflix now and I remember watching that in 1996
and thinking it was was a blockbuster. I I think was went crazy.
Android (04:25)
Dude, it was awesome.
Neal Girandola (04:25)
that when it's
released. And I remember watching it going in 96 thinking it was amazing. And then I watched it over the weekend. And I was just like, how terrible how what a piece of shit this movie is, because the scenarios weren't real. But I'm my point is that in
was a you know, there was a whole thing that the aliens were blocking our satellites, and we couldn't
then that's what they were doing was they were using our our satellites to protect themselves. And
Android (04:51)
Right, right.
Neal Girandola (04:52)
They sort of a storyline sort of abandoned the whole we can't communicate thing halfway through the movie because all of sudden they were able to communicate through walkie talkies and
we could but
Android (05:02)
Shortwave radios, yeah, they didn't
figure shortwave radio,
Neal Girandola (05:05)
anyway, it was just one of those things
then I see this viral claim and I'm thinking, man, it's such a coincidence that this comes out around the same time that Independence Day now is back out on Netflix and you know, everybody's kind of talking about it. So there's a lot of those things coming on, but, it, the only thing that made sense to me was
Android (05:17)
Yeah. Did you?
Neal Girandola (05:22)
have to interfere with the alien. didn't affect them with a virus
within their
Android (05:26)
Right, right, the virus, the old virus,
yeah. Right.
Neal Girandola (05:29)
old computer virus. And
then there's because then they wouldn't be able to link to our satellites or connect with the other ships. And then that would disable them. And then we were successful in doing that. You know, I don't know how Jeff Goldblum does it, but does it. And yeah, it's brilliant. Yeah. Yeah. And Will Smith. Yeah. And they flew up into the alien ship in another alien ship. That was the other thing was funny to me that
Android (05:43)
He's brilliant. He sang too. He should have sang for them. Played piano. Yeah.
Neal Girandola (05:54)
training farmers within an hour how to fly fighter jets.
Android (05:58)
those were all old pilots that had flown before. Yeah. And then when Will Smith gets into the ship, they cut the scene, this is in the
Neal Girandola (06:01)
Mm. Mm.
Android (06:07)
slaps
mother alien in the face.
he says,
Neal Girandola (06:10)
in the
Android (06:10)
my planet's name out your fucking mouth or something like that was crazy.
Neal Girandola (06:11)
I didn't see that coming.
Android (06:14)
was like foreshadowing.
Neal Girandola (06:14)
did that in
Android (06:15)
foreshadowing was like
Neal Girandola (06:15)
Yeah.
Android (06:17)
if you thought Independence Day was bad,
Neal Girandola (06:17)
That's that's
Android (06:19)
watch Independence Day Resurgence, the part two.
Neal Girandola (06:22)
had a second one.
Android (06:23)
Yeah, you didn't know that?
Neal Girandola (06:25)
No, who's in that?
Android (06:25)
dude, it's called resurgence.
It is so
Neal Girandola (06:28)
in it?
Android (06:28)
It is so
Jeff Gold. mean,
his name is back? Pullman's back. Yeah, as president at former
Neal Girandola (06:31)
the regulars?
Android (06:35)
What did he was a decker? He was a decorated pilot. They needed him. He's serving his country. He's doing it
Neal Girandola (06:34)
is his daughter older the one he abandoned to go fight the aliens after the mother died and just left her in the basement of the White House
Android (06:46)
you know what? He'd do it again.
Neal Girandola (06:46)
Terrible. Terrible
father.
Android (06:48)
He'd do it again.
what you got there? What is that?
Neal Girandola (06:49)
terrible father.
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Android (07:06)
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Neal Girandola (07:06)
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Android (07:07)
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I love
look, Independence Day to me is a masterpiece film. It's absolutely hilarious. I love when they're all on the building with the signs welcoming the aliens and then they're all just annihilated. They're just taken out. You know why they were taken
Neal Girandola (07:24)
my god. Yeah, it's
Android (07:29)
the aliens were like, these people are so freaking
We have to kill them.
Neal Girandola (07:33)
the they represented the stupidity of America.
Android (07:37)
of the planet. They was everywhere, everywhere.
Neal Girandola (07:36)
Yeah. was a plan. Yeah.
Android (07:40)
Yeah, we're like, welcome, take us home, take us up there. You're dead immediately. Just like I always say, total annihilation.
Neal Girandola (07:40)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I I love. Yeah.
That was the first thing they
Android (07:50)
That's what I would do.
Neal Girandola (07:52)
a rooftop of idiots was just destroyed.
Android (07:52)
Yeah.
followed by the White House
Neal Girandola (07:57)
I love the
Android (07:56)
and everything else. Yeah.
Neal Girandola (07:58)
I love the how the stripper ⁓ was the one who's who was able to the only one that survived in the tunnel explosion and then with the dog and the child.
Android (08:03)
Vivica Fox.
Neal Girandola (08:10)
And then she then could fire up a giant dump truck and then go around and save people. And then she drove and found the the president's wife, First Lady, and brought her back to him where she dies there. And they had that moment. And there was that scene between the first lady and the stripper where she goes, the first lady is
Android (08:10)
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, it took her back to the bunker. Yeah. Yeah, to die. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's
Neal Girandola (08:33)
What do you do? She's almost
And the first lady was like, ⁓ okay, okay.
Android (08:40)
I
just, I just love Vivica Fox, so doesn't matter, She could have been a neurologist for all I care, didn't matter what they made her.
Neal Girandola (08:44)
Vivica Fox's. It just.
Right. But my point is that was just a weird storyline. Why is she a stripper? Why did we cut from there's this alien invasion and she still goes to work, by the way, there's an alien invasion happening and she goes to work.
Android (08:54)
Well, that was the... Well, yeah, yeah, well...
I think they're giving strippers a bad name too. That's what I think. Yeah, yeah, because they made her, no,
Neal Girandola (09:03)
in that movie. Why? Because what they made, they didn't give her a bad name.
Android (09:08)
they did because they made her character because she was a stripper. It was like she was less than.
Neal Girandola (09:15)
No, nobody made her less than.
Android (09:16)
Yeah, because Will
Smith didn't want to marry her because she was a stripper. That whole thing. Again, Will
Neal Girandola (09:20)
⁓ that was the only time they made a lesson. You're right. Yeah.
Android (09:24)
Smith being a judge of
Neal Girandola (09:24)
Yeah.
thought they elevated her to say,
strippers matter too kind of thing. Yeah. But she was committed. She still went to work. There was an alien invasion, but she was still committed. She's going to work.
Android (09:28)
yeah, she can do more than just strip. She can do more than strip. Yeah.
I just thought that she should have been
like featured more in the film. Like she should have been able to fly a jet. That would have been awesome.
Neal Girandola (09:42)
I don't think she needed to be a stripper. think she should have been an equal to him, like a pilot as well, like on the Air Force. And they kind of fell in love. They didn't need the stripper thing.
Android (09:47)
Yeah, yeah, they didn't have to make her stripper. could have
they could even made her like a sandwich artist at Subway or something. You know, they could have done anything. Yeah, yeah, but they didn't know they had to make her stripper. Yeah. I mean, they they had well yeah, she is hot. They did show her as a
Neal Girandola (09:54)
Yeah, anything. Or a truck driver.
Right? That would have made sense. She had a truck. Yeah, let's make her a stripper because she's hot.
I guess
they had to add a little sex appeal into a blockbuster somehow.
Android (10:12)
they could have. Couldn't she have been a sexy
doctor or sexy lawyer? Of course, that would have been more...
Neal Girandola (10:17)
yeah. Right. Who treats strippers?
She treats strippers. Like neck injuries and shit.
Android (10:21)
Yeah, or she represents
strippers that are wrongly accused of doing bad things in the private room. She's a lawyer.
Neal Girandola (10:27)
she's a lawyer. Yeah. And she
has she has to go to where they work to talk to them. And that's where they bring in the sexiness. We could have written this movie.
Android (10:33)
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, I it right then. The other cool part though was when the alien took over the doctor guy
was, ⁓ what's his name, Brett, ⁓ who played Data in Next Generation. Yeah, that was so awesome. And he's like, meh! That weird sound that they're all had is like hurting and they're like, there he's come with the president with his mind slaying or whatever he's
Neal Girandola (10:44)
⁓ yeah. Let me out.
Data, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Let me out.
Oh yeah. yeah. Yeah.
That was the other thing. Like they're cutting open an
None of them are in a hazmat
They're in those N nine
just cutting and leaning into it. And it smells. Yeah. Well, I mean, you're cutting open an alien and then what's the alien in the alien? What is that?
Android (11:16)
Now that was his armor. That was
like armor. was like armor. Yeah. Nah, it was...
Neal Girandola (11:20)
I dunno. It was just everything was wrong about the movie.
Android (11:23)
loved it
Neal Girandola (11:24)
should get really high one time and watch it because I better be really even more fun. Be a good time.
Android (11:29)
Maybe he
might become paranoid and run outside naked.
Neal Girandola (11:31)
I do that anyway.
Android (11:32)
with a
Los Angeles, I can tell you that.
Neal Girandola (11:35)
No battle Los Angeles. So that's that's the other thing is like the movies that work for me the alien movies that work for me are the ones that are so well thought out that you buy into it whether you believe in aliens or not you watch this movie and you
Android (11:46)
Right.
Neal Girandola (11:47)
could conceivably happen this way this is totally make
Android (11:47)
Wow, this is good. Yeah.
Neal Girandola (11:51)
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Alright, so just to reiterate, Kaku, Michio Kaku did not claim aliens are attacking satellites. He was discussing a theoretical possibility. Any, not, not any ongoing event that's
it's just the viral version of this strips away the context to create fear and
And that's the difference between speculation and a true report, which brings us to today's true report. Andrew, it's not a theory. It's not a headline, but a firsthand encounter that was reported, investigated, and it's still
later. Are you ready to get into our true report?
Android (13:19)
Yes.
Neal Girandola (13:20)
All right, let's do it.
It was the evening of January 25th, 1967. And Betty and reason
inside her home in South
Ashburn, Massachusetts with her parents and seven children. She seven children. So there's nine people in
and it was around six 30
as a brilliant light fills the house
and Betty, according to her report, she describes all of a sudden seeing five non-human beings entering through the front door of her house, but not by opening it. They just sort of appeared through it.
without any resistance at
And her children and parents were then put into this catatonic state. They were frozen in
and they were conscious but their eyes were open. They were unable to move or speak according to this report.
And Betty was the only one who could not move. Yeah like
And the beans she says can then began to communicate with her but only telepathically.
They were assuring her that that she's not going to be
she was then
after they assured her that nothing was going to happen or they then grab her and escort her through the wall of her home. To outside to a nearby hovering
Android (14:40)
Can
you imagine they'd just shove
Neal Girandola (14:42)
not gonna hurt
Android (14:43)
Get in the ship!
Neal Girandola (14:44)
right. So according to Betty, her account about the UFO,
said it was oval was egg shaped craft. It was roughly 20 to 30 feet in length.
was
but not a dull metallic. was I was metallic, but it was a dull metallic and not a not a shiny chrome.
⁓ The surface appeared smooth and seamless and there were no visible rivets or seams or windows or market. She was very detailed in explaining
There were no wings or antennas or external propulsion systems and it but it emitted this soft glow
and ⁓ it made no
and inside the craft
She reported that there were no medical tables. She didn't recall any invasive procedures and the rooms were filled with this glowing
And she said that she went on this journey, but it was more of a symbolic imagery journey ⁓ that she interpreted as spiritual and not scientific.
she saw visions of fire or glowing bird-like forms.
And she got this sense of a moral instruction rather than
And they never identified themselves to
And she believed at this point that they were agents of a higher intelligence, something closer to angels rather than aliens.
Now she was returned to her home sometime later.
and her family resumed movement that came out of their catastonic cat catatonic
she had physical traces remaining she had burned like marks on her skin reddened eyes and she definitely experienced a period of missing time and her children remembered these bright lights
remember seeing strange figures and being unable to move but they don't recall anything about an abduction
or anything such as that.
later, we're talking years later
case was investigated by
Fowler. And of course they call him a respected UFO researcher. They're all respected UFO researchers. Yeah. She, you definitely are. Yeah. I always call the, ⁓ the not respected UFO researchers for my investigations. They're more fun. Those guys are more fun.
Android (16:49)
Yeah, of course. I am a respected UFO researcher.
Yeah, they party harder too.
Neal Girandola (17:05)
Yeah, they show up in clown suits. Yeah, it's really a lot of Winky, winky, winky.
All right. Anyway, he's Raymond Fowler has spent decades documenting her account and under hypnosis, he says that her story remained remarkably
She, but she also actively avoided publicity. And of course, Fowler published multiple books on her,
on her case. Yeah. I I'm gonna
Android (17:28)
No. Really?
Neal Girandola (17:31)
I'm going to do the research on this and I'm going to make the money. ⁓ But he treated it as a serious ⁓ incident and not a spec.
Android (17:40)
Did she die penniless and
in a dumpster? They found her in a dumpster.
Neal Girandola (17:42)
I don't know. I'm
yeah.
a note to Fallon. Yeah. I remember her. I remember.
Android (17:46)
He drove by in his limousine. ⁓ hello. Hello, Betty. remember you.
Neal Girandola (17:53)
you for the story.
Android (17:54)
what this book, I'm sorry, look what your book bought me.
Neal Girandola (17:58)
right. Well, that's and that's the report is I have it. I'm now going to hand it off to Andrew.
and he's going to fill in some details and then we are going to weigh in on whether we think this is a mostly true alien story or not. Alright, Andrew, what do you got?
Android (18:13)
you're right. what's interesting with this story is that none of the
story of the beings and all that that didn't come out until she went under hypnosis when she came back she had no recollection of anything okay so.
Neal Girandola (18:23)
Okay. Did she
remember like but but something had happened she felt like something had happened?
Android (18:30)
She felt
like she had felt like something had happened to her. She wasn't really sure what it was. The other thing too about Betty ⁓ is that she was a devout
Neal Girandola (18:35)
Hmm.
Android (18:40)
And so when you mentioned that this was kind of a heavenly experience, it was for her. There was a lot of symbolism and spiritual symbolism in
Neal Girandola (18:48)
why would we care whether she was devout Christian or not? I mean, what is
Android (18:50)
It's that's
I don't know what that's bringing in. think she's talking about the beings being messengers and not aliens. ⁓ And then being kind to her and gentle with her. They weren't your usual Greys because she describes them. They were
Neal Girandola (18:57)
Okay. Okay. Sure. Sure. Okay.
Android (19:07)
usual grays are pretty. They're pretty, you know, shoving butt plugs and stuff inside you and you know, not doing nice things.
Neal Girandola (19:12)
Yeah, that's, that's
what they're made for. They're supposed to do the butt plug thing on people. That's yeah, that's their instructions. Actually. They're the ones that have to go do all the research on humans and they decided
Android (19:16)
didn't...
That's why they're so angry.
They're like, God.
Neal Girandola (19:24)
that butt plugs
would be the way to go.
Android (19:26)
anal probing and butt plugs,
Neal Girandola (19:27)
Yeah.
Android (19:28)
devices into, nah, no, I've never done a butt plug.
Neal Girandola (19:28)
you ever had a butt plug? Have you ever done a butt plug in your...
Android (19:32)
do you do? Do you just shove it up in there and just hold it?
Neal Girandola (19:34)
You can if you want, I if you're into
can wear it all day if you wanted.
Android (19:38)
Okay.
So you're, you're telling me you're wearing one now.
Neal Girandola (19:42)
No, I'm not. But I'm wondering what would the aliens do if they did abduct someone and they had a butt plug in them or to be like, this is going to be easy.
Android (19:48)
Already?
This guy was ready for us
Neal Girandola (19:51)
2026 they're probably
another one.
Android (19:55)
we just gotta send him
Neal Girandola (19:57)
stop the whole butt plug thing.
Android (19:59)
You should do something
Neal Girandola (20:00)
might be thinking it's their fault. my god, this is our fault. Everyone's doing them now. Yeah. Okay.
Android (20:00)
All right.
Right we started this right okay so anyway
she was washing dishes in her
Her husband was not there now i heard two stories i had heard that he was in an accident in a car accident and he was at the hospital.
And the other story i heard is that he was just sick in the other room so i don't know where he was but he was not at home.
Neal Girandola (20:23)
Yeah, but what is it who
know what I mean? Like what? All right. He wasn't part of the story.
Android (20:26)
Well, that's two different things in the story.
Doesn't matter.
Because, know, she talked about being married. She talked about her
No, Yeah, yeah, yeah, she was she was at it was yeah, she was her kids and then her parents were there. OK, so. Yeah.
Neal Girandola (20:32)
But it sounds like there was enough people in the house. There was nine freaking people.
Yeah, talk about devout Christian. She's just like,
yeah, every time we slept together, we had a kid.
Android (20:45)
Right. Every
she was like
Neal Girandola (20:47)
Seven Kids.
Android (20:48)
that and that probably put him in the hospital.
Neal Girandola (20:50)
You know what? He wasn't sick. He was just like, I need a fucking break, man.
Android (20:53)
No.
out of here. I'm gonna crash my car so I can get the fuck out of here.
Get her, Grace! Go get her! You deal with her and those seven kids.
Neal Girandola (21:04)
Yeah,
and her parents were over he's probably like I need tequila I need a joint I need to be left alone
Android (21:12)
He's like he's he know when he crashed on the way to the army office. He was trying to get enlisted to go to Vietnam to get the fuck out of
Neal Girandola (21:17)
Am I too old?
Android (21:19)
I'll clean toilets. I'll do the stuff nobody wants to do.
I'll give venereal disease tests. How about
Whatever it takes.
Okay, so she said
she was there when all of sudden the lights went up to full brightness in her house.
Neal Girandola (21:32)
wait
a minute, it wasn't the lights in the house, right? It was lights coming from outside into the house?
Android (21:35)
you
lights in the house went whoo and then it went black
and then she saw a luminous object outside followed by a pink beam
a bright light and then she collapsed into unconsciousness
when she came to she said it was if time had frozen her family members were standing around her frozen eyes wide open and not responsive so they were like this
Neal Girandola (22:06)
They were like that. That's where the movie Smile came from. They were really frozen like that. For a long time. an uncomfortably long time. That was a lot.
Android (22:19)
Yeah, that was a little uncomfortable. at
the moment,
the beings entered her home by passing through the walls. She said they were gray, about 1.25 meters. Why is she speaking in meters?
Neal Girandola (22:28)
Crazy.
They all do everybody does I don't know that I don't know why they're doing meters I I don't know meters
Android (22:35)
We don't use meters.
Was it because she was in Massachusetts and she's that much closer to Canada and they use the metric system there? Is that what happened in 67?
Neal Girandola (22:44)
No, I don't know. You know what that that may have just been somebody where this wherever we're getting our facts, they just translated it into meters. Okay.
Android (22:52)
Right. But then then and then I read they were like three to four feet tall. So OK,
they had abnormally large heads with black eyes. Yeah. At first, she said she was terrified. And after
Neal Girandola (22:59)
Yeah, totally grace. Totally grace.
Android (23:07)
she felt them emanating a peaceful, easy feeling like the Eagles song. got a peaceful, easy feeling.
Neal Girandola (23:11)
So we're just yeah, that's where the song came from. Easy feeling. All right,
but the. ⁓
All of this recollection is through hypnotherapy, which you'll get to when we talk about Fowler, but I just wanted to tell our audience that she didn't remember this immediately. So this is in hypnotherapy. This is how this comes out. Okay.
Android (23:26)
Yeah.
She remember anything, All she
knows is that she passed out and when she woke up, her family was like, my God, are you okay? That's all she remembered. And then later she started having these like vision type things. She couldn't sleep. All these things were affecting her sleep. then, you know, it took her years though. It took her years to reach out to get help with this, to find out what had
Neal Girandola (23:46)
Mm-hmm. Okay.
Hmm.
Android (23:57)
So ⁓ they guided her outside to their ship.
She said it
Neal Girandola (24:00)
Through the wall.
Android (24:01)
through the wall, right. They floated through the wall. Kind of like Linda Napolitano who did the floating out the window that, yeah, Napolitano, whatever her name was, and Bud, and yeah, yeah. And we know where that ended up.
Neal Girandola (24:07)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, same experience.
Android (24:15)
they guided her outside to their ship. She said it was bright and spacious and there were no windows, but the sides could become transparent.
Neal Girandola (24:20)
Mm-hmm.
Very cool.
Android (24:25)
imagine you're looking at a wall and all of a sudden you can see through the wall
Neal Girandola (24:29)
cool alien tech right there people
Android (24:31)
Yeah,
yeah. And the objects inside could alter shapes as needed. I need a chair. It's a chair.
Neal Girandola (24:38)
Wow.
Android (24:39)
I'd like an air fryer. ⁓
Neal Girandola (24:41)
That's a new one. Like, I've never heard that kind of explanation before. That's brilliant. I love
Android (24:43)
Altered shapes, yep. Right? So
they led her down, she saw many rooms there, but they led her to a room at the end of the hallway. You know what that means, you know what's coming.
Neal Girandola (24:54)
Well, you never want to go to the room at the end of the hallway.
Android (24:57)
And she said it was white with a table in the center. She immediately went and laid down.
Neal Girandola (25:03)
was tired.
She had seven kids and her parents were over. She like, thank you. Yeah. Thank you for taking me. This is the best. Can I get some wine?
Android (25:06)
and her husband's in the hospital because he tried to kill himself on the way to enlist to go to Vietnam.
So
she laid down and there was a machine she said and it penetrated her body.
Neal Girandola (25:20)
⁓ I thought there was no sort of
surgical
Android (25:24)
No, no, no, no, no. Her entire body, she said, but it was painless. She said they studied all of her, kind of, but she said they were like, it did penetrate her. There was like needles and stuff. She said, but it didn't
Neal Girandola (25:30)
Okay. More of a scanning than intrusion.
Huh. Huh.
Android (25:42)
And they were gentle and she never felt any pain.
Neal Girandola (25:45)
Okay.
Android (25:45)
They didn't just examine her body. They also examined her mind as well.
Neal Girandola (25:51)
Okay.
Android (25:52)
She says she witnessed a phoenix being reborn out of the fire.
Neal Girandola (25:58)
Wow. Yeah. Okay. Sure.
Android (25:59)
Yeah, so you know the phoenix symbolizes death, resurrection, and eternal life. And as a Christian, that's huge, right? So
that's why they always bring up her Christian views and her Christian values because she saw this bird like burst and then the ashes and then it came out of the ashes and
After the tests were complete,
They started doing different tests on her. They deliberately invoked emotions of joy, anxiety, and fear to study her. They wanted to study the human emotion side of
Neal Girandola (26:36)
This is what she's reporting. Interesting.
Android (26:38)
This is what she's revealed in her hypnosis state.
Neal Girandola (26:44)
You
Android (26:42)
After all the tests were complete, they led her to
another room where they did light purification. It was called a light purification room. When all the tension inside of her
she then returned to her kitchen. Her family was awakened. They thought that she had fainted for a few seconds.
but she knows that she was gone for several hours.
She said that she felt like she was gone for at least two or three hours.
Neal Girandola (27:08)
interesting. I thought I had seen that. So the, yeah, the beans came in at like 630 and she was returned sometime around 830 to 9pm. Yeah, two and a two and a half hours, but her family is saying
Android (27:12)
Two hours had passed, right? Something like that. Yeah.
Yeah. But no time had passed there
with her family. No time had passed with her family. She was gone for like two and half. She felt like two and a half hours.
Neal Girandola (27:26)
interesting. I wonder why it's
I wonder why there's a discrepancy in that reporting.
Android (27:31)
Yep. Well, there's
so many discrepancies when I dig into these things. during hypnosis,
Neal Girandola (27:35)
Yeah.
Android (27:37)
they said that Betty's testimony proved they have raw emotion and physical like, you if she felt it, she felt it like she she believed what happened.
Neal Girandola (27:48)
It's interesting.
Yeah, it's interesting though that there's also names for the rooms.
what was that purification room? Like, that's pretty detailed. And for not remembering it and only remembering after hypnotherapy. That's interesting.
Android (27:55)
light purification room. Yeah.
Right.
Right.
Neal Girandola (28:07)
⁓
point to the story. Okay, good.
Android (28:10)
she had, how this all started with the hypnosis and all this stuff is that she had reached out to Dr. J. Allen Heineck.
Neal Girandola (28:20)
I are old boy heinick
Android (28:21)
Yep, and he's the one that turned her on to Fowler.
And then I...
Neal Girandola (28:25)
because he was too busy being respected elsewhere.
Android (28:28)
Yeah. Yeah. He had that, ⁓ those special, events that came out
those weekends.
Neal Girandola (28:33)
Yeah, he's doing his
book readings for the other people's stories they stole.
Android (28:37)
that he's,
Neal Girandola (28:39)
Okay.
Android (28:39)
So Fowler
comes, Fowler does the whole hypnosis thing. Now he says that she cried and trembled and overflowed with joy after every session. Like she was just, ⁓ this is fantastic. Let me tell you about them, what they told me. They're messengers, they're no more aliens, they never harmed me, they never caused pain to me.
Neal Girandola (28:48)
Hmm. Hmm.
What was her age and how and of the seven children how old was her youngest you know.
Android (29:06)
I do not know. I do not know. She had seven kids. So I'm going to say if she got married at 20, she had a kid every year, she's 27. I'm going to say she's probably mid 30s is what I'm going to guess.
Neal Girandola (29:17)
I'm gonna look this up because I want to take that into consideration because
Android (29:22)
postpartum.
Hmm.
Neal Girandola (29:23)
Yes.
Mm-hmm.
Android (29:23)
As you look that up. ⁓
so yeah, you were right. He wrote a book called the Andreessen affair in 19 sev 79. And dude, this book that Fowler wrote became a best seller.
Now, here's the other thing. The beings, the grays that she described,
Neal Girandola (29:42)
Mm hmm.
Android (29:42)
inspired pulp culture. They influenced Spielberg for what the aliens looked like in Close Encounters of the Third Kind and also what the grays looked like on the X-Files.
Neal Girandola (29:45)
Really?
well, how is that possible? Because there we had the gray sightings prior to that and descriptions of them and other stories before 60s.
Android (30:02)
Nobody had written a book that was so popular as frickin' Raymond Fowler's. That's why.
Neal Girandola (30:02)
Nine or seven.
that does you think you think that they share any of the royalties with the person who gave them the story?
Android (30:14)
don't think they do.
Neal Girandola (30:16)
I mean, that's what a racket these guys are. a respected ufologist. You're going to tell me your story and then I'm going to make a book about
go under hypnosis.
Android (30:23)
Okay, now here's another
thing that you might not know, but Betty claims that she had been visited her whole life by the Grays,
She said it was a spiritual journey for her. She said that she traveled through other planes of existence while she was on the ship.
Neal Girandola (30:39)
Wait a minute. But out of hypnosis and prior to hypnosis, had she ever claimed that she had experiences, but she just wasn't sure what it was? it was under hypnosis that all of this was revealed that she has had other experiences.
Android (30:44)
No.
Yes.
Neal Girandola (30:50)
Or at least this is what Fowler is adding to the story.
Android (30:53)
Right,
right, right, okay. She said that she was seeing the universe from a different perspective.
Now the message that they gave her was a great cleansing or destruction was coming, followed by renewal.
Neal Girandola (31:09)
This is from this experience itself that happened at her house with the lights and all that. Yeah. Okay.
Android (31:12)
the leader, right, she puts this in her head,
he also gave her a book to read.
Neal Girandola (31:18)
Fowler's another book by Fowler the aliens had it you'll like this one
Android (31:24)
It was
the grays, how to make your way through the gray ship for dummies. was like the first, the first one, how to escape the grays for dummies. no, he gave her this book and she described the book as it was made of glass. Like she, alien gave it to her. She said that she couldn't read it, but the knowledge and the wisdom in the book was like put into her as she held the book.
Neal Girandola (31:30)
Act like you're not afraid.
The alien gave it to her. Okay.
Yeah, but what?
What was it? What was the edge- what was the knowledge? That was it, okay.
Android (31:52)
telling her about this great destruction
and also that there was a single creator in the universe that connected all life together.
The last message that they gave her before she returned back to her kitchen was she would forget everything, but it would return to her at the right time.
Neal Girandola (32:16)
Okay.
Did it?
Android (32:18)
I guess Fowler got the stuff out of her. Yeah.
So when she when she returned to her kitchen, remember, she didn't remember anything. She knew something had happened to her, but she couldn't recall anything. And it wasn't until she went under hypnosis that she had all these visions and talked about the Phoenix and the class book and the ⁓ light purification room and all of this stuff came out during hypnosis.
Neal Girandola (32:21)
But what?
Yeah.
I don't know what needle got moved from it though.
you know, what's the point of you remembering it? If it doesn't move a needle on something?
Android (32:47)
great destruction is coming.
Neal Girandola (32:49)
Okay, now we understand.
Android (32:51)
in the planet.
Neal Girandola (32:52)
You know what, I wanna backtrack. So the ages of her children, cause I had asked, ⁓ they ranged at the time from age three to 13 at that time. She didn't just give birth, so there's none of that. Also, we should note too,
Android (33:03)
Okay, so she didn't just get birth. Okay.
Neal Girandola (33:11)
generally add this in and I don't think we have in the last couple episodes where there are other incidents, other UFO incidences or sightings or encounters around the same time in the same area. in 65 ⁓ in Exeter, ⁓ New Hampshire,
was a very famous mass sighting in US history.
Android (33:30)
65. Okay, that's two years prior. Okay.
Neal Girandola (33:32)
65. Yeah, that
was a there was a New England. So there was a New England wave of UFOs between 65 and 75. And so this one, the Exeter one was observed a large silent craft with flashing red lights.
Android (33:40)
wow. Okay. Okay.
Neal Girandola (33:48)
And the official explanation, they said it was a weather inversion. Yeah, yeah,
Android (33:52)
Yeah, of course, always a weather balloon.
Neal Girandola (33:54)
And this was just two years before Betty's experience.
⁓ in Ashburn, there was a sighting in 67 very close geographically just to South Ashburn and more Betty lived. ⁓ the multiple residents reported a low flying luminous object. that was silent and it maneuvered erratically. And, ⁓ there were reports of loss of time and electrical interference during that period
So Ashburn and becomes a recurring location in these UFO records ⁓ in between the sixties and seventies. Hits Hillsdale Hudson Valley flap New York to Massachusetts corridor. Hundreds of reports of low altitude craft structured objects beams hovering and close encounters and the military proximity. You got West over Air Force base. got Hanscom Air Force base.
Android (34:45)
Wow.
right right right
right right
Neal Girandola (34:50)
which is often noted.
and Betty's encounters, encounter matches the behavioral pattern reported elsewhere in that
In 69 in Western Massachusetts, the Great Barrington case, this guy reported a close encounter with humanoid beings after a craft landed. And that was investigated by our boy
Android (35:03)
yeah, yeah.
No.
Neal Girandola (35:13)
And that involved missing time and onboard experiences.
Android (35:13)
What?
Neal Girandola (35:18)
This is similar to Betty's
then Massachusetts the contact the era they called it from the 50s to this the contact the era undercurrent there was from the 50s to the 60s they saw a rise in contact narratives that were spiritual symbolic humanoid encounters Yeah, and that Betty's experience sort of bridges all of this early contact the themes and later abduction era medical
Android (35:26)
Contactee error, that's weird.
There you go.
Neal Girandola (35:47)
symbolic elements.
Android (35:48)
Does it talk about ultimate destruction?
Neal Girandola (35:50)
I don't see that here, but no class books, but I mean, could only one can only assume. there's a lot going on in that area during that timeframe. ⁓ that is pretty interesting to note as we head towards our weighing in on this case.
Android (35:52)
glass book.
Conclusion,
Neal Girandola (36:08)
right. What else you got? That's all you got.
Android (36:08)
All right, that's it, that's all I got. That's
all I got.
Neal Girandola (36:11)
let's weigh in. What do you do you think that this is a mostly true alien story or
Android (36:17)
I not.
Neal Girandola (36:17)
You don't.
Android (36:18)
I do not. I think that there was ⁓ maybe some sort of power surge in the house.
Neal Girandola (36:18)
What do you think?
Android (36:23)
She passed out. The parents freaked out. The kids freaked out. A few seconds went by. She came to.
Neal Girandola (36:29)
You think they freaked out enough to go into a catatonic state?
Android (36:32)
yeah, to be like, it lasted a few seconds or a second. mean, think about it, a big bright light in your thing, it could have been a transformer blowing up outside their house, could have been anything. They didn't talk about the power coming back in the house afterwards. They didn't talk about any of that stuff. They all witnessed her passing out, that's it.
Neal Girandola (36:52)
And then what about her visions of these aliens coming through the wall and taking her onto a craft and all of these things?
Android (36:58)
think she hit her head on the way down
and believe this. That was it. I don't think that she went onto a ship. I see no purpose in this conversation that's happened with her with the beings seeing a phoenix and all the symbolism and all this stuff.
Neal Girandola (37:00)
And that was her experience.
Android (37:15)
she had no recollection of this. And it was just so convenient that the guy, the leader of the aliens told her, you will not remember until the time is necessary.
But remember great destruction is coming. A renewal by fire.
a frickin break. That dude can come up with, that dude has seen so many things, you know, he just.
Neal Girandola (37:31)
was Fowler running around his office in winged suit and nothing else he was butt ass naked
Well, here's where, okay, so you say it's not a mostly true alien story.
Android (37:41)
I don't think it's,
don't believe it. don't believe it. was no, look, we've had better stories that, that get, were more detailed
and we know that the people that actually are not under hypnosis that talk about stuff, those people are believable. Once you're under hypnosis, dude, I can tell you anything.
Neal Girandola (37:59)
Do you think though that she this is ⁓ that she's just a religious sort of fanatic and it kind of that was her fantasy.
Android (38:06)
Yeah, that was
her thing and she wants to see, you know, maybe she wants to be a messenger. She's a bored housewife. Possibly I don't. I don't know. I don't believe the story. I don't believe she went on a ship. I don't believe she saw aliens. I don't believe any of
it. I don't believe any of it. No, because nobody saw anything.
Neal Girandola (38:21)
All right. So you say it's not a mostly true alien story. It's now my turn.
So now it's my turn to weigh in. And I do want to bring up the point though. There's a couple of things that are circling in my mind here about this
released the report on this? She didn't call the police. They didn't talk. There was mention of that. So it came through
Android (38:39)
No!
And and
Neal Girandola (38:44)
Heineken Fowler. there could there be collusion that they created this story and they put this woman in it because does she truly exist? I mean, everything I'm seeing that says that she exists, right? Was she on talk shows or were there pictures?
Android (38:57)
No, there
was pictures of her and stuff. She's a real person. She's a real person.
Neal Girandola (39:00)
Yeah.
So the story came from her mind. And I also want to be careful because they kept mentioning there's the undertone of her being very religious. And I don't know why that matters to the story. And right, but I think it's also something to ⁓ put under the microscope here because if she weren't a religious fanatic, as we're kind of framing her,
Android (39:13)
Right.
It shouldn't matter.
Neal Girandola (39:30)
would this story have more water? Does it make her she's a little nutty. So she's making up stories to tie it to tie into her religion, her faith, to kind of get a message out. And does that make the story less credible? Because if she were just someone that lived in Ashburn him that said I was abducted by aliens. Here's the story. And they didn't mention anything about religion. Would you tend to believe her a little more? I think so. And I think that this is what we have to be careful about. I think that
she may have experienced something. she, that story didn't come out for years and it came out through Fowler and Heineck. And so, you know, you know, I don't, it doesn't sound like she made any money on this. So she had nothing to gain. So I also, what sticks with me is the fact that the kids also remember these lights. They remember being, ⁓ frozen.
Android (40:10)
Right, right.
Now that was in one count, that was in what you found, but when I researched it, they never even talked about her parents or her kids recalling
Neal Girandola (40:37)
I think that she thinks she had an experience and I, I do believe that she was probably seeking help and went to these guys, Fowler or Heineck and, and then they did this hypnotherapy and then they write a book and they exploit this story and they put it out there. And then the fact that she's not involved in book tours or getting pieces of the action or doing all of this leads me to believe that she wanted to not be a part of that, or maybe there wasn't full truth to it. And maybe Heineck and
⁓ Fowler, it just exploited this and turned it into something that really wasn't.
Android (41:07)
Fowler.
Neal Girandola (41:12)
know, sometimes I, these guys, I just don't, I don't understand that maybe, maybe we should do this. There might be a racket there. It might be, it might be able to make a lot of money doing this saying we're
you you have colleges that are going to do hypnotherapy on you and then we're going to write a book and go make some money on it.
Android (41:24)
UFO researchers.
say I
was abducted and then you could say that you did hypnotherapy on me and I'd be like, that's all we could even video me and be like, that's all the
Neal Girandola (41:30)
Yeah, yeah. Right. Yeah.
Yeah.
Were they alien
Android (41:37)
They move
Their heads were so
Neal Girandola (41:38)
Did they have big eyes?
Android (41:42)
So black. I saw I saw I saw a
Neal Girandola (41:41)
Well, did you see a winged person? A winged person?
Android (41:47)
No, no, no, no, it was.
Neal Girandola (41:46)
Was it winged? There was wings? There were wings. You
saw wings, didn't you? You saw wings.
Android (41:51)
No, it
just pooped on me to burn. Several of them just crapping all over me. I will give you all the rights to my story.
Neal Girandola (41:57)
I'm going to write a book. You're going to give me the rights to your story.
Thank
on all of this,
Android (42:04)
I'm back. Hi.
Neal Girandola (42:05)
nothing happened to you by the way. You're fine. Yeah.
Android (42:07)
⁓ why are my pants down?
Neal Girandola (42:09)
it's just, we needed to do some tests on your all penis.
All right.
the, so based on all of this, I just don't want to, I want to make sure that like, you know, we hear a lot of these stories and I just, if it's, if it's mixed with religion and aliens, I think we have to be very careful. That doesn't make you a nut.
You know, how come? How come if you just believe in aliens and you tell a story about aliens, you're not crazy. But if you mix it with religion, you're a little you're a little off. You're a little off here. So, you know, you become this religious nut job. But you know where it should be the opposite. You believe in an aliens and an alien encounter happened to you and all these things and you were taken onto a ship. OK, you should be
Android (42:26)
No.
Neal Girandola (42:46)
No, you're not as crazy as if you say this was religious experience and I'm a religious
So I think me, I think she was under a lot of pressure. think things happen and I think Heineck and Fowler kind of manipulated that, that, the story too. I do not think this is a mostly true alien story. I think it's very cool. I love the glass book stuff. I love, ⁓ the whole floating through the walls and the hovering ship and, the different rooms
Android (43:07)
Yeah, that's cool. That's cool.
Neal Girandola (43:11)
Andrew says it's not a mostly true alien story and I'm with him I don't think this is a mostly true alien story based on the evidence that we discussed today Sounds like there's a couple of different stories out there But this is not a mostly true alien story.
whether this was an alien encounter a conscious event
something Seemed to have happened to her in 1967
I don't think it's an alien story and neither does Andrew and cases like this is why we do this show. So if you have your thoughts, leave a comment, let us know what you know. Maybe you know more about the story than we do or you think that this is a mostly true alien story. Don't forget to subscribe and share the show and you can follow us on Instagram and tick tock at mostly true alien stories. We'll see you on the next episode until next time. Be kind to the aliens when they get here. Andrew. Great job. Thanks for that.
Android (44:04)
Thanks, Neil. Bye.
Neal Girandola (44:05)
All right.