Neal Girandola (00:00)
November, 1974, Northeastern Pennsylvania, a quiet residential
a sudden glow in the night
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Alien Stories.
Welcome back to mostly true alien stories. I'm Neil Girondola and this is the podcast where we take a true report of an alien encounter from history. We share what we know.
then decide whether it's a mostly true alien story or not. Today we're heading to Carbondale, Pennsylvania in November of 1974. It was one of the least known, but best documented mass UFO sightings of the seventies that happened with dozens of witnesses, a silent craft. It's the Carbondale PA UFO incident. Quick reminder to hit that subscribe button and follow us on TikTok and Instagram at mostly true alien stories.
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And helping me break down today's report is the only human freedom of information act guy I know.
Andrew Triana. Hi, Andrew.
Android (01:35)
Hi Neil, what's going on buddy?
Neal Girandola (01:37)
I just saw this very cool report that the Canada sports betting
Have you heard of them? Yeah, it's like that. This is the case sort of sort along those lines.
Android (01:44)
DraftKings? Okay, but it's Canada's version.
Neal Girandola (01:48)
Canada sports betting group created something they
alien abduction odds index of
Android (01:56)
Come
on.
Neal Girandola (01:57)
No, seriously, this this is a it doesn't predict the actual alien abductions, but it looks at where people ⁓ report sightings that include abduction like details. So missing time, close encounters, those kind of physical contact claims.
And then they calculate an implied probability of an alien abduction based on frequency of those reports relative to the
So they use these ⁓
They use these data sources. They use New Fork, which is a national UFO reporting center, ⁓ the Canadian UFO survey, US Census Bureau population
use Statistics Canada, CDC sleep data. They use a whole bunch of these things. And then they take all of that and they come up with the implied probability of an
Let me show you tell you an example of so Ohio for some reason blew up they kind of went viral about Ohio's probability they have a 1.13 % or one or roughly one reported abduction style experience for every 89 people in that data set. yeah, so from they took the information from 2019 till now, there's been 4000 plus
Android (02:54)
Right.
What?
Neal Girandola (03:19)
abduction related reports in Ohio that happened since 2019. 4,000. And I think you know how I feel about Ohio. I think Ohio is the episode. think Ohio itself, the state is a mothership of aliens because everything weird happens in
Android (03:27)
Wow.
I didn't know that. That's
Dave
Chappelle is in Ohio right now. He lives in Ohio, Yellow Springs. Yeah, he's bought up the whole town.
Neal Girandola (03:39)
is it? Yeah, well, he's an alien.
they they took all the numbers. So if you look at that the one in 89 people could be abducted in Ohio, and Ohio is not even in the top 10. They're like 21st or something like that. In terms of the probability. Well,
Android (03:54)
Isn't New Jersey is high, right? New Jersey is high probability.
Neal Girandola (03:58)
funny
you bring that up because New Jersey ranks outside the top 10. Let me look at the chart here because I could tell you I actually have a chart they have a they have a chart that you could scroll over the state and it'll tell you so New Jersey actually is their ranked 32nd and they only have a point 99 % 1 in 101 probability of being abducted.
Android (04:03)
⁓
wow, I'm sorry.
Neal Girandola (04:27)
Indiana is one in 250. Like nothing happens in Indiana.
Android (04:32)
No, because
everyone here is like children of the corn, when I call children of the corn and inbred and everyone's related and that's why.
They don't want that. They want cross braiding. They don't want, this is my sister and my mama and there's one person standing there. They don't want that.
Neal Girandola (04:50)
Why don't you guess which what's the number one state you think?
Android (04:52)
main.
Neal Girandola (04:53)
You're going to say Maine.
You're wrong.
Android (04:56)
Okay.
Neal Girandola (04:58)
take another guess. It is New Hampshire. New Hampshire is 2%. That's the high they have the highest UFO reports for 100,000 residents.
Android (04:59)
New Hampshire.
Yeah, then.
Yep. You should move there. I can go to Ohio. It's literally five miles away. I can just go into Ohio and just wait. No, I'll gather 88 more people around me and one of us will get abducted. And then you can bet on it.
Neal Girandola (05:11)
That's it should.
Yeah. For an alien. I mean, what?
and see what happens.
It's like the guy who bet on himself that he would streak across the Super Bowl ⁓ during the Super Bowl and he's done it before. So he put a hundred thousand dollars. He bet bet a hundred thousand dollars on himself that he would streak that there would be a well not on himself, but he bet on himself
Android (05:42)
Whaaaa?
Neal Girandola (05:50)
that he would be able to profit. So he's going to bet a hundred thousand dollars that he could streak across the field during Super Bowl.
And you know, security is really tough. So I think it was a hundred thousand might've been more because he has to pay. have to pay bail. It's like 60 grand. So he, yeah. So what he did was disguise himself because he's done it before. So he's been banned from Superbowl. He disguised himself. And I think he had an accomplice that did a jump over security ran to that guy. And then he jumped over and took off across the field. And so he wasn't, he had a shirt off.
Android (06:04)
Right. Can't make it worth his while.
Butt ass naked?
Neal Girandola (06:27)
So then he ended up getting, you know, arrested and all that, but he won, he won the bet cash in. I think they're going to have to change that rule because, or just take it out.
Android (06:27)
⁓
Dang. So.
So wait, so
was he like bragging about it while they were running a train on him in prison?
Neal Girandola (06:42)
like I got a hundred grand
Android (06:45)
Billy Bob again, no Billy Bob, please
Neal Girandola (06:49)
I think you're on to something I think I think we should do the same thing with the alien stuff we're gonna go we'll bet on
and we'll just put people out there that with a sign that says take me and
Android (06:55)
Yeah.
We can get Kevin Hart.
We can get Kevin Hart and Shaq to do the ads for us like they do on draft Kings and all that stuff. We'll get them out there and, ⁓ UFO. We'll call it UFO Kings
Neal Girandola (07:11)
I want to do I do want to preface to our listeners because some people don't listen all the way through on some of the stuff we talked about in this news. This is it's not a prediction of future encounters that they're doing here. This isn't ⁓ this isn't prediction. It's just odds. It's a fun thing to do. I think you guys can go you can check it out. There's a site
Android (07:23)
Just the odds. Yeah.
Neal Girandola (07:30)
but Italian hotspots. It's implied odds of reported alien abductions by state. can scroll over. can see what your odds are of being
Android (07:37)
you're going to drive
up to New Hampshire.
Neal Girandola (07:39)
I'm gonna I might either there so Idaho is number two and then Vermont then Maine and then
Android (07:45)
going to bet that I get abducted first.
Neal Girandola (07:48)
right. So whether your state ranks first or 50th at the end of the day, those numbers come from real people filing real reports. And today we're diving into one of those reports, a case out of Pennsylvania that never needed an index to make headlines. Andrew, are you ready to get into the Carbondale UFO
Android (08:06)
I believe I am.
Neal Girandola (08:07)
it was the evening of November 9th, 1974.
And residents of Carbondale, Pennsylvania began noticing something unusual in the sky. Witnesses described a large glowing object, circular or oval in shape, moving slowly and silently over residential neighborhood near Meridian Street, wherever that
Unlike aircraft or helicopters common to the region, this object made no
As the object descended, it reportedly hovered just above the ground, illuminating nearby houses and yards with a bright white yellow light.
Multiple residents stepped outside to watch some called neighbors and others called the police.
This wasn't a single witness moment either. Dozens of people observed the object, many from different angles and
police officers responded to the scene and filed official
witness descriptions and the unusual circumstances. Officers themselves did not report seeing the craft directly, but documented the consistency of the accounts.
After several minutes, the object reportedly rose straight up and disappeared into the night
the story didn't end there.
following morning, residents discovered physical traces where the object had hovered. Grass appeared flattened or scorched and soil samples were later described as dried or compacted, inconsistent with normal environmental
incident was quietly investigated by local authorities and later reviewed by civilian UFO researchers, including
organizations active during the 70s.
were no conventional
aircraft balloon meteorological
that ever fully accounted for the silent hovering the low altitude the duration or the number of witnesses. ⁓ No one claimed any contact. There were no beams reported on this one. It's just a craft and a neighborhood.
full of people who all
same thing. All right. That's the report is I have it. I'm going to hand it over to Andrew and he is going to fill in some details and then we are going to weigh in on whether we think this is a mostly true alien story or not based on what we talk about here. All right, Andrew, what do you have on the Carbondale
Android (10:13)
Okay, well,
as I dug into this one, there are several different stories that happened in Carbondale. The biggest story that I found, ⁓ the one that you found was like the early reports of ⁓ the craft hovering and all of that. What I discovered was the thing actually landed and it landed in a pond. So just to give you a little bit of ⁓ history in a pond, ⁓
Neal Girandola (10:28)
Okay.
landed in in a pond. Interesting.
Android (10:41)
They are special water section. They call them ponds, but where they dig coal, they have to have water there nearby as they dig and as they dig, know, water comes up. So this is huge pond area where they were digging and they use these machines called breakers. ⁓ So it's fascinating because I learned about coal mining. I know. And then it made me start singing. I'm proud to be a coal miner's daughter. Except we weren't in
Neal Girandola (10:50)
Mm-hmm.
Mm.
Guys.
Yeah, yeah, I,
Android (11:11)
Butcher's Holler. We're in Carbondale, so it doesn't work.
Neal Girandola (11:12)
right.
Android (11:14)
it was Saturday, November 9th. It was late in the evening. ⁓ There were five kids that saw this. They saw a bright light in the sky and they saw this thing actually go into the water. ⁓ It was quiet. It made no sound. It didn't even make a splash when it went into the water. So these kids,
freak out. ⁓ Their teenagers yeah their teenagers yeah okay ⁓ they they went to the police station. And they said hey guys we just saw this and they were like what are you high why is that always the answer what are you high.
Neal Girandola (11:36)
Were these kids of high school or the teenagers? Okay.
Well, it's the 70s and they were teenagers and, you know, the police back then, that's how they handled things.
Android (11:57)
Okay.
So the calls start coming in while the kids are there at the police station.
Neal Girandola (12:03)
So more calls are coming in. These kids are there. OK, got it.
Android (12:06)
People
saw the lights, they go out to the pond.
Neal Girandola (12:08)
Did the police say
to everybody to call him? What are you, hi? Yeah.
Android (12:11)
Yeah, everybody, they were like,
what are you drunk? What are you on acid? What are you on heroin? Are you smoking weed? Are you on amphetamines? Are you sniffing glue? What's wrong with you? You have tuberculosis. mean, they, they went through the whole chain. Right? So anyway, that kids.
Neal Girandola (12:17)
Everybody that called they were running out of shit to ask him
You... You have diarrhea.
Get outta here! Yeah. Do
you have tuberculosis?
Do you have the measles?
Android (12:44)
Yeah. It's like, you know, that's why I love watching these pharmaceutical ads on TV because they always say that this could cause liver problems, problems with your immunity system or tuberculosis. I'm like, where the fuck did that come from? I haven't had tuberculosis since, you know, why it Arps day with doc holiday. I'll be your huckleberry.
Neal Girandola (12:55)
Yeah. Yeah.
You may, you may, you
may experience, ⁓ visions of killing people.
Android (13:08)
You may see aliens in a pond and you'll get tuberculosis just to let you know. And don't worry about, don't worry about liver failure, diarrhea, anal seepage, bleeding arteries. Don't worry about any of that is the tuberculosis is what we're really concerned about. Now get out of the station unless you're on that drug and then we're going to commit you.
Neal Girandola (13:14)
Let me see your prescription bottle.
Now get out of my police station!
Android (13:32)
so they go, the cops go and they see this bright light.
in the water. So what do think the cops do?
Neal Girandola (13:40)
they shoot it?
Android (13:40)
They shoot it to the wall.
Neal Girandola (13:41)
Did they shoot it?
Did they shoot at it? For real? That's how they're going to do it.
Android (13:46)
for real. They shot it.
They shot it to the water.
everything's going like nuts, dude. People are like freaking out in the town. The next morning, there are a thousand people in Russell park. This took place in Russell park in Carbondale. There are a thousand people out there. Now I saw an interview, ⁓ with Michelle Bannon, who is the current mayor of Carbondale. And she said that,
She was in the park. She was a kid and she was in the park that night that this
she said an official UFO network, a section director by the name of Douglas Danes ⁓ also Heineck. Remember our buddy Heineck. Heineck was there and they were all there within 24 hours of this thing happening.
Neal Girandola (14:27)
⁓ yeah, he's everywhere.
So they definitely thought something was up. I still don't under I don't understand why the police would shoot at it. I mean, what is that?
Android (14:36)
they thought.
Because to
who they thought, we're going to kill it. it is. Shoot first, questions later.
Neal Girandola (14:44)
There were
no other details regarding why like there was something that happened or bubbling or something seemed like threatening to them and they were like, let's shoot it.
Android (14:50)
No, no, no,
no,
no.
Neal Girandola (14:53)
I it could
have been kids in the lake just screwing around with, you know, a light. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Android (14:56)
Yeah, with a flashlight like, look at me. I'm under pshh. And it just float to the top of the water.
Neal Girandola (15:02)
I mean, that's so odd.
Android (15:04)
Okay. So,
apparently, ⁓ on Sunday morning, ⁓ people saw something being removed from the water and taken out on a flat bed truck and they put a tarp over it. That's like their favorite thing to do. They just drove fricking tarp over whatever it was they took out of the water.
Neal Girandola (15:20)
Yeah, but
But you said there was a thousand people there in the morning and that but there but but what do you say they they saw something being taken out? No one could describe what that was
Android (15:26)
thousand people.
No one saw it
actually come out of the water. They just saw it. They knew that it came out of the water, I guess, because it was dripping and it was on the back of a flatbed truck covered in a tarp.
And that thing drove away.
Neal Girandola (15:42)
I mean, that could have been, let's just say, and it's happened here in New Jersey a lot. You know, somebody passes out driving and the car goes into a water and the lights are on
Android (15:49)
I a car, right, right.
Neal Girandola (15:52)
and it looks like something coming out of the water and they shoot it. And then the next thing, you know, yeah, right. There's not, we're not going to save you. They had a chance until the police arrived.
Android (15:55)
No. They kill the person in the car who's trapped.
They're like, hmm.
They shot him
Neal Girandola (16:08)
But you know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying. Like, what is that? Okay.
Android (16:08)
Okay. So right. Right. Right.
So they had actually, just to give you a little history, they had seen actually lights flying across the sky for like a week prior. So when I researched Carbondale, it went all the way back into like the last week of October into November.
were stories like when you were talking about it, that people seeing the craft and, hovering, none of that stuff turned out to be like fact. was all like,
Neal Girandola (16:24)
Mm.
Yeah.
⁓
Android (16:34)
wives tales, right? The one that had the
Neal Girandola (16:34)
huh. Yeah.
Android (16:36)
most beef was this one about the teenagers, right? And first they said it was five kids.
Then they said it was three kids. Then they said it was four kids and then it was five kids again. So it doesn't matter whether it's three to five kids. Not really, but it is part of the part of the search or part of the research. Okay. So there were scuba divers out
Neal Girandola (16:49)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Android (16:58)
here's what's hilarious by 3 30 PM.
On Monday, the case was solved. They said it wasn't an alien craft. It was a six volt railroad lantern.
Neal Girandola (17:14)
What?
Android (17:16)
said that they pulled out a railroad lantern out of the water. That was it. Now,
Neal Girandola (17:16)
That's the
That's the best they could do in terms of closing that
Android (17:23)
of the kids, I found one name that came out, Bobby
I don't think he's related to the Gillette razor family, but Robbie Gillette, he was a teen. He said in 1999
Neal Girandola (17:29)
Sure.
Android (17:35)
he threw this lantern into the water.
Neal Girandola (17:38)
in 1999 but this is 1974. Oh he's saying I see you're saying.
Android (17:39)
He confessed in 1999, right? So in 74, yeah, years later,
he came out in 1999. And I guess it was before the whole year 2000 and the world was gonna end. So he wanted to come clean.
Neal Girandola (17:51)
So did you look up how big these railroad lanterns are?
Android (17:55)
they're about yay big.
Neal Girandola (17:57)
for a UFO landing in the water? ⁓
Android (18:00)
because the
light is so bright. I mean, it's pretty bright in the water. you know, just saying, I'm just saying. Yes, they are the six-volt battery on it. Yeah. And they're waterproof and everything. So he said he threw it in the water. Now
Neal Girandola (18:07)
But are those lanterns battery powered the battery powered
Android (18:18)
2016, Bobby said he didn't do it.
Neal Girandola (18:23)
Bobby's got problems.
Android (18:23)
And
he died in 2018. So
Neal Girandola (18:27)
He was the masked lantern guy. went around town throwing these lanterns in water.
Android (18:32)
They call them the green lantern, but the lanterns weren't green and he didn't have a power ring. It was just sad. was just sad.
Neal Girandola (18:33)
The Greenland.
I mean, what Bobby Bobby? I, know what? I'm
going to Bobby out. Bobby's Bobby's a Bobby's got lantern issues. He's, he's ⁓
Android (18:45)
Yeah. So,
so this kid said that I did it. I do the lantern in because remember they came out with it, right? They had, remember they had scuba divers and everything that went in the water.
Neal Girandola (18:48)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Android (18:55)
And then they came out and they were like, this was it. Look guys, we told you it was this lantern. Freaking Bobby Gillette.
Neal Girandola (18:59)
Yeah, but I'm...
I can Bobby. Call Bobby! I know, but this has Bobby written all over it.
Android (19:05)
Actually, you know what, sir, now that you say that, the lantern says property of Bob H. Litt.
Neal Girandola (19:09)
Bob
Bobby Gillette.
No one said he's a smart lantern tosser. ⁓ So did ⁓ but but here's the issue with this right now. And so I'm a little confused and I don't know if you're if you're going to get to this but thousand people see them pull something out of the thing and put it on a flatbed truck. That's not a lantern.
Android (19:11)
What?
thousand people were
there, no, a thousand people were there and they saw the flatbed truck with something on it with a tarp over the top of it. Now to explain what that is, they said that they had removed a coal breaker, which is a really pretty large piece of machinery, and they were removing it ⁓ early Sunday morning. And by 6 a.m. it was loaded up on the truck and covered with a tarp.
Neal Girandola (19:39)
Mm.
Android (19:56)
And then the guys, I guess, went to go have breakfast or something and then drove away. They waited for all these people to get there to go look at that. That's a cold breaker. I'm looking at it's cold breaker. ⁓ but no one ever saw a ship. Okay. No one ever saw an alien. No one ever saw a meteorite. They try to explain this. Nobody ever saw this Russian satellite. Nobody saw an alien aircraft. Now there is a guy that came out later in the two thousands by the name of Jerome Gallo. Good luck.
Neal Girandola (20:06)
Yeah.
Android (20:25)
Sorry, Jerome Galat. He was a journalist at that time and he was in a boat because he was in one of the boats and he took a picture of the glowing light. I saw the photo. It's actually kind of cool, but there's no telling what it was.
Neal Girandola (20:27)
Mm.
Android (20:40)
And then on Monday afternoon, ⁓ they, there's a picture of him now, ⁓ Jerome in the boat holding the lantern saying we found it.
Neal Girandola (20:40)
you
Android (20:52)
This is what the light was. So it's not a UFO, nothing to see here. Nothing to see here. It's not a UFO. Now here's where the story gets weird.
Neal Girandola (20:58)
Yeah. Yeah.
I was hoping for weird.
Cause so far this story to me is just like, okay, what there's, I thought people saw hovering crafts and is what I saw.
Android (21:08)
There was,
there was a gas station attendance, always a gas station attendant. I love this. All right. His name is Matty. All right. It's Bobby's brother.
Neal Girandola (21:15)
That guy. Not that guy. Mm-hmm. Mattie Gillette.
Bobby's brother, Matty.
Android (21:25)
That's all he gave his name was Maddie and dude, this guy, was funny because I saw the interview with him and it was like before zoom. So whatever it was before zoom, but he's like this close to the camera. His head looks like it's ginormous and he's talking and he's like this freaking camera, right? Talking like he's like, this is where I talk. I'm not really sure where I talk. Right? So this was 74 that he said, he did it later. This was in the, in the mid in like the
Neal Girandola (21:38)
Huh.
What year was this that he this is happening? ⁓ that's what I
Android (21:54)
2015, 2016, something like that. Right. And he said,
Neal Girandola (21:55)
Okay, okay
Android (21:58)
he worked at a gas station and he was pumping gas when the lady in the car that he was pumping gas to asked, what was that in the sky? And they looked up and they saw a ship.
He said he took his flashlight because the ship was apparently that close.
He got a flashlight and he asked the lady to plug it in. was one of those big spotlight things. He asked them to plug it into the cigarette lighter in the car. That's the way, not done yet. It gets good. And he shines it on the craft and he said,
saw the ugliest ass creature I've ever seen looking at me out the
Neal Girandola (22:34)
Maddie.
Android (22:35)
Then he said that three orbs shot out of the ship.
pew, pew, pew,
One went towards Russell park. The other two went different places. Now, Maddie is the only one. And I guess the lady in the car that never came forward, who was Maddie's mom, probably,
Neal Girandola (22:49)
Mm-hmm.
Android (22:56)
that.
Neal Girandola (22:57)
hostage is right before he put
her in the basement of the gas station.
Android (23:02)
So you're going to tell this story, right?
Neal Girandola (23:08)
He's feeding her through a tube from the outside.
Android (23:12)
the orb is what they're saying was in the water and that orb was recovered, but that's a big freaking orb. If it was on the back of a flatbed truck. So that's what I mean with this, with this story, the more you dig, it's like the more you just, it's like you're wrestling up silt from the bottom of a river bed and it just keeps coming and it keeps coming. But
Neal Girandola (23:16)
Mm.
Android (23:36)
None of these there's remember there's no witnesses other than the three kids, Bobby Gillette, who said he threw the lantern in that it wasn't a UFO, the lights in the sky, but people saw apparently saw something.
Neal Girandola (23:45)
Yeah.
Android (23:50)
The people from the UFO network that section director was there, you know, Heineck was there.
Neal Girandola (23:50)
Yeah.
So that's, that's where I, that's where I lean into saying, why did they show up if this was a non-event? If this was not anything, you know, we've seen them not show up to things that have more evidence than this. And you go, why didn't they come? And on this one, they show up.
Android (24:04)
Right, right.
Exactly. Yeah.
Neal Girandola (24:13)
So that's, that's where I, know, so
Android (24:14)
I heard a young,
a young Steven Greer was there.
Neal Girandola (24:18)
in his his the stroller, they wheel them up. Like mama, get me closer to arm.
Android (24:24)
No, he would have been, he would have been in his, uh, Greer's what? In his late 60s, 70s, so in 74, he would have been probably teenager. Maybe he was one of the teenagers. He was like, that's what's Flippy's ship.
Neal Girandola (24:33)
Yeah, is right.
He was friends with Maddie. Maddie Gillette is best friend. So I just a couple of ads here. I don't know if you're near done, but the late 1973 through 1974, we should note that saw thousands of reports nationwide of UFOs. So the Midwest and Northeast States were particularly active. And these reports included low altitude hovering crafts, silent objects, bright illumination, ground trace effects, no lanterns.
Nobody said anything about lanterns. Yeah. Pennsylvania had multiple reports during that wave. ⁓ I'm sorry. We're gonna get into that.
Android (25:07)
What? Then those aren't real. Those aren't real, then.
Yeah. Yeah. That's one of the things. Yeah. Yup.
No, I was just going to mention that Pennsylvania between 1972 and 1976 had thousands of sightings of lights in the sky.
Neal Girandola (25:27)
Right. And multiple witnesses. Multiple witnesses.
Android (25:27)
whatever that means of lights in the sky,
fucking Bob, did you let
Neal Girandola (25:32)
went right to his house.
We want to talk to Bobby. Get him out of bed.
Android (25:33)
We were like, boom, boom, Bobby,
quit throwing lanterns in the water. Those are expensive.
Neal Girandola (25:40)
right, what else you got? You anything else to this?
Android (25:42)
⁓
that's all I got, bro. That's all I got. And the thing is, is that I couldn't find besides Maddie on the freaking video.
Neal Girandola (25:45)
Yeah.
Android (25:50)
And a few names of, of Jerome Gillett and, ⁓ the lady who's the mayor now, ⁓ Brenda, I think her name was Brendan Brennan. think, yeah, she's, she said that she saw them take something out of the water. She didn't see the lights. She was there the next day.
Neal Girandola (25:50)
Yeah.
Yeah, she said she saw something.
All right. Yeah. ⁓
Maddie's not credible to me. Maddie's out. I don't even think Matt. I don't think Maddie threw lanterns and anything.
Android (26:12)
But I
they should investigate
Maddie for being a possible serial killer.
Neal Girandola (26:16)
should check Maddie's basement. ⁓ you go down there and it's like this haunted basement with thousands of lanterns and they're just like swinging on chains and skills and they're all on. Yeah. But do you get through all the lanterns? gotta, you gotta weed your way through. They're swinging on land on chains and his freaking basement. You're just like, and some are on. they're flat. There's a casting this odd eerie shadowy light in there. And you come around the corner.
Android (26:26)
and skulls and skulls.
Neal Girandola (26:46)
And it's just all kinds of bodies in the back of Matty's basement.
Android (26:50)
And then you hear the most horrific voice go, mama, make me more toasting those pizza rolls.
Neal Girandola (26:57)
And then the cops are like, we got the lantern killer. We got him.
This guy.
Android (27:02)
I didn't
do it. I saw it.
Neal Girandola (27:08)
right. There's no need to beat this one to death. Well, how we don't need to make the major motion picture out of this report. It is an interesting one. ⁓ only in the fact that there are so many people witnessed it, but it, to me, I'm not going to weigh in yet, but I'm going to hand it to you, Andrew. Is this a mostly true alien story or not?
Android (27:25)
I'm gonna go with no, but you know Carbondale has completely embraced this dude. They have t-shirts hats pictures of aliens murals all over the top like guys What are you painting aliens for nobody saw anything?
Neal Girandola (27:36)
Yeah.
Android (27:41)
And just doesn't make any sense. No, it's not it's a most it's not a mostly true alien story I think I think it was some sort of governmental thing that crash that was flying around, but I don't think it's aliens. I don't think it's
Neal Girandola (27:40)
Yeah, it is.
Yeah. All right.
Okay. You say it's not a mostly true alien story. It's my turn to weigh in. And I agree with you. This is not a mostly true alien story. I don't even think it's a government thing. I think this was a bunch of
Android (27:55)
Now...
Neal Girandola (28:03)
maybe, a misunderstanding that just grew out of, out of, uh, control. Um, and I think, uh, the cops shooting at, you know, first site, I think that they should have been talked to. I think Maddie throwing lanterns in ponds, you know, to get that reputation.
There's a reason right you get that rep this guy throws lanterns in the water all the time ⁓ I think the mayor what she saw she just a child I think it was just sort of a little mass hysteria or excitement in a town that really has probably no excitement and You know everybody heard something was in the water that the cops shot at it Let's go check it out and then it blew up from there the only confusing thing for me was the the Heineck and the You mutual UFO network people are showing up to investigate it
Android (28:23)
Babajalat.
Neal Girandola (28:48)
when it seems like an on issue. then you question it to say, well, maybe it was bigger than that. And they did a very successful job of, of covering up, making it seem like it's nothing, but that still wasn't enough in what we discussed today. That would make me believe that this was true. So this is not a mostly true alien story. I say it's not a mostly true alien story. Andrew agrees with me. It is not a mostly true alien story.
Android (28:55)
Covering it up. Yeah. Right. Possibly.
Neal Girandola (29:14)
Carbondale incident doesn't try to convince you of anything.
In my opinion, there's no, there's nothing that it simply refuses to explain itself. Maybe there's something more to it. If there's anyone out there that knows more than we do, please let us know. Don't forget to subscribe to our show and follow us on tick tock and Instagram at mostly true alien stories. There you can see daily content, at, with really cool alien conversations and topics that we dive into outside of our
We'll see you on the next episode until then be kind to the aliens when they get here. Andrew nice job on a non story.
Android (29:48)
Thanks Neil.
Neal Girandola (29:50)
No aliens here, people.