Neo (00:00)
Andrew, you know what I just found out?
Android (00:02)
What?
Neo (00:02)
are the number one most listened to alien podcast by aliens.
Yeah. Yeah. We are other
Android (00:07)
Get out of here, seriously?
Neo (00:11)
We should give them what they're asking for. So welcome to another episode of mostly true alien stories.
listeners. Andrew, we're here. Another episode of Mostly True Alien Stories.
I'm your host, Neal Girandola a true believer of all things alien. And with me
Andrew Triana, who is a non-believer. He doesn't even believe you can do turkey hot dogs.
Android (00:49)
don't believe
They have chicken hot dogs. I have seen turkey hot
Is that...
Neo (00:53)
Yeah, they have turk.
Android (00:54)
Do they really? my gosh, I didn't know that. That's cool.
Neo (00:54)
They do have turkey ones. Yeah. Yeah,
Also today's
have our guest
is an alien abductee experiencer. His name is Perry Arthur Kroger. He's a Broadway veteran, an artist and
Android (01:07)
Wow.
Neo (01:08)
we're gonna get into his story about the alien.
abduction that he went through not once but twice
And as always, Andrew, you know, we're here to dissect and a reported alien
going to break down the details of one of these reported stories and determine whether we're going to think it's mostly true alien story or
story,
takes us to a hot night in Brazil baby. In 1957 where a guy by name of Antonio Vilas Boas,
was a 23 year old Brazilian farmer. He claimed he was abducted by humanoid aliens
create a hybrid child.
But before we dive into
jump into some alien news and entertainment. What do you have for us this week?
Android (01:47)
Dude,
I've got some cool stuff.
Our government has created a new task force.
Neo (01:50)
Yes.
Wait, we're doing a new task force now. Now we have another task force.
Android (01:57)
Yeah, I mean it's because we're one remember we we're weird. We were the 5th now there's a 6th and it is the task force of declassification of government secrets.
Neo (02:00)
That's right. There's four others.
I mean, it's about time, right? Government does keep secrets. We know this.
Android (02:11)
Yeah, no, I think it's kind of cool. Yeah,
so they announced it this past week and basically what they're going to do is they're going to answer all the mysteries behind the secrets of the government. The declassified files, files that have been declassified. So for example,
Neo (02:27)
Like, like how they
become millionaires off $180,000 salaries, that kind of secret.
Android (02:34)
No, no, no, no, that's not even true. No, no, and that's not even true. I don't know what you're talking about. So they're going to declassify on USOs. Have you ever heard of USOs? And I'm not talking about the, hello, my baby, entertaining the troops. Yes, it is unidentified submerged objects. This is a new thing. They had discovered a spaceship the size of a football field.
Neo (02:36)
I digress. We are not a political podcast, everyone.
Space objects?
Android (03:00)
recently that was going underneath the ocean at hundreds of miles per hour. So that is
Neo (03:03)
Mm-hmm. Yep, yep, we talked about that.
Luis Elizondo.
Android (03:08)
Yes, Luis Elizondo, exactly. So those are USOs. Those are USOs. We have.
Neo (03:10)
Hmm.
I like this.
the fact that we're coming up with the whole thing that there's USOs now, I mean, how long many years have we gone with just UFO and then we went UAP and now they're going USO.
Android (03:21)
yeah.
Neo (03:23)
There's some shit happening in the water then.
Android (03:26)
Well, you know what? I think I'm going to join the USO.
Neo (03:30)
Now we're gonna be a part of that.
Android (03:32)
Well, I'm an entertainer. I'm a singer, dancer, actor, comedian.
Neo (03:36)
you're gonna
go perform on the USO circuit?
Android (03:38)
Yes, I'm gonna perform in all of those unidentified submerged objects. I think they will. I mean, they don't have entertainment. Think about all the entertainment. They just bring people on their ships.
Neo (03:45)
They're gonna love you. They're gonna love you.
Android (03:51)
They probe them. They rub them down with jelly. I mean, all kinds of stuff. But do they get entertained?
Neo (03:53)
Mm-hmm.
Mm. Mm-hmm.
Android (03:59)
Not really.
Neo (03:59)
you bring up an interesting point with that maybe a whole new market opening up,
alien entertainment.
Android (04:04)
dude, and
you know what makes this even more exciting with what you said earlier about how we are the number one listen to podcast by aliens? I think they're going to I think they're going to go for
Neo (04:13)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Android (04:16)
Would you manage me?
Neo (04:16)
We're gonna be
Android (04:17)
mean, if I go if I get like a gig, I mean, I could be cruising with.
Neo (04:19)
No, you'll never get
work. I've seen you dance. I've seen you dance. Singing! Now that's another thing. Yeah.
Android (04:22)
Damn.
Okay, all right, so
they're also gonna declassify the 911 files. I didn't realize there were 911 files to declassify. That's
Epstein files, I find that one
And then UAPs, of
I...
Neo (04:37)
have seen files,
you know, they have seen files and what they're doing, talking JFK as well. They're doing all of this declassified stuff.
Android (04:42)
Yeah, they're saying that they're going to release like
JFK is going to be the first file to be released by the
So I don't know what that means. So we'll see.
Neo (04:46)
Yeah. Well, yeah.
I don't think there's much to the JFK
the most exciting for me will be the UFO
I'm still skeptical though. I mean, they can say, you know what, they make you feel better by saying we're going to start this or this disclosure group. You know, and, then, and that, but I think it's just to make us go, Oh, okay. That's great. You know, good. But then they only disclose what they want to disclose. That's what I feel like. So I'm sorry. Okay. What else you got?
Android (04:58)
I know.
And then who's going to track it? We are.
Yeah, now I gotcha. Right, right. So, okay, all right.
Okay, this is kinda cool. This was released on January 21st, 2025 from Antarctica. Now this is video that was leaked that happened in 2022.
This is from an anonymous whistleblower and he has leaked photos and video footage of an
Egg-shaped UAP and an alleged alien sleeping inside a
Inside this area where this craft is, there's hieroglyphics.
Neo (05:48)
the cave itself in Antarctica on the walls are hieroglyphics or on the egg shape?
Android (05:50)
Yeah, in the cave there's in Antarctica. Yeah. On the walls are hierarchical
and I guess out around the egg. They're not really clear. mean, I watched the video and it was really hard to kind of see. it's it's like mind It's testimony from Jacob Barber and his colleague that was on the Delta Force.
Neo (06:07)
Yeah, Barber,
Android (06:08)
They're claiming that they had transported several egg-shaped and eight-gon octagon flying saucers as part of a top-secret UFO capture and recovery teams. Jacob Barber and his colleagues vouch for authenticity and their firsthand experience over a decade of witnesses at UAP craft flying out of solid rock, flying out of mountain sites, out of the ocean.
This footage you can go on YouTube and check it out. Just type in Antarctica egg UFO and you'll see the video.
Neo (06:40)
I guess,
do they say what the purpose is of these, this egg and this alien.
Android (06:45)
No, because that's top secret.
Neo (06:47)
So I don't understand why they got this giant egg spaceship in a cave and the... No, no, no, I get that, but I don't understand why they got this giant egg, right? And then the alien that is, guess, over watching it has to sleep in a little bunk outside.
Android (06:52)
I think they landed there. I think the aliens landed there.
Neo (07:05)
so tired. They gave him a little
Android (07:04)
He's so tired. Think of light years.
gave him, it's really sad. I mean, I watched the video and they're like, this is where he sleeps. And I'm like, man, that's worse than like Pokemon. Think about Pokemon. You put them in those little Poke balls. What do they do inside?
How big is it inside?
Neo (07:17)
If they can travel
light years in seconds, why park it in a mountain in Antarctica? It'll just come when we need you.
Android (07:22)
Shouldn't he have a better bed to sleep in?
what I was looking to see was like a purple, a mattress from
sleep like an alien on purple. I love it. I love it. So that, thought that was kind of cool. I'm going to, I'm going to dig into that. So hopefully some more stuff will come up.
Neo (07:31)
sleep like an alien. That's their slogan. On purple.
Android (07:42)
Hopefully this whistleblower will come out and say who it is.
mean, cause you know, like you said, Jacob Barber has been talking about this for a long time and he's got colleagues all over the government and with Delta Force and the Navy SEALs and all this
Neo (07:50)
Yeah.
Android (07:52)
this was, yeah, I think so. in, but the video was, was uploaded. There's no trace of who it is. Like who put it up. It's anonymous. How do you do?
Neo (07:52)
Good for him for keeping the conversation in motion.
Yeah. Yeah. Could have been AI.
Could have been AI. You never know. This day and age you don't know. I just think there's something off about it. I've seen it as well. You just watch it and you go,
Android (08:07)
Maybe. True. No, I believe it.
Neo (08:14)
this wasn't thought through very well. I just feel like something's not connecting properly to making this truthful in its presentation. Okay. What else you got?
Android (08:24)
is awesome.
I think that this is awesome.
Neo (08:27)
Okay.
Android (08:27)
Dan Aykroyd.
Neo (08:28)
He's the biggest UFO conspiracy theorist there is.
Android (08:32)
In Hollywood,
Dan Aykroyd, for those of you who might not know Dan Aykroyd, and shame on you if you don't know who Dan Aykroyd is, he's legendary actor. His comedy credentials include original cast member of Saturday Night Live and the Blues Brothers. You might know him from movies like Ghostbusters or Trading Places. But he is the official Hollywood consultant and lifetime member
of the mutual UFO network.
Neo (08:58)
So move on.
Android (09:00)
MUFON rears its head on another episode of Mostly True Alien Stories. think we're being subliminally communicated with.
Neo (09:03)
Mm-hmm.
you.
They're definitely listening
Android (09:12)
is what Aykroyd said, I have seen
and I can't say that they are alien
and neither can the Air Force.
Air Force has been very interested in this and they don't deny existence of these hyper dynamic super aerodynamic
don't deny is how he put it.
Now, another article that I read, it actually wasn't four times. It was three times, but in one of those times it was two ships.
It happened once in the US and twice in
for Ackroyd.
Neo (09:41)
I've been waiting
my whole life to witness a UFO and Dan Ackroyd has seen it four times. Three times. Yeah.
Android (09:50)
Eh, three times. Three times. But one time he saw two ships.
Neo (09:53)
It's like hitting a hole in one.
In my opinion.
Android (09:55)
two times or three times.
nobody's there to see
Have you ever gotten a hole in one in golf?
Neo (09:58)
I want
Android (10:00)
I have.
Neo (10:00)
Well, then I think that you have a good chance of seeing a UFO too.
Android (10:04)
I welcome
Neo (10:04)
All right, what else you
Android (10:05)
movie recommendation you ready district 9 do ever see district 9
Neo (10:06)
Okay, yeah.
So District 9 is one of my top three alien movies that I've ever
is an independent film, I think. I think he, right? And it was a new writer, director kind of guy. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm, okay. okay. Yeah.
Android (10:17)
Kind of, kind of. Yeah, it was a new director, Neil Blomkamp, but it was also produced by Peter Jackson. Peter Jackson of Lord of the Rings fame. So it wasn't that
independent, kind of independent.
But if you haven't seen this film, please, please, please, it came out in 2009.
It is a great film. Here's the synopsis of it. 30 years ago, aliens arrive on Earth not to conquer or give aid.
but to find refuge from their dying planet. Separated from humans in South Africa area called District 9, the aliens are managed by the multinational United, which is an unconcerned, they're unconcerned about the aliens. I mean, they treat them like
Neo (10:51)
Mm-hmm.
Android (10:59)
And then one of the company field agents gets exposed to this mysterious virus and his DNA starts to alter. Fantastic film.
Neo (11:07)
It's amazing. Yeah. It's something you got to see. And I love the, they did the graphics
just the story itself is also pretty heartwarming in a sense too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Android (11:16)
no, it's very sad. It's very sad how he's treated after
he starts changing. It's really, really, it's just a great film. So listeners, if you haven't seen it, watch it. It's fantastic film. Last but certainly not least, you know, I'm a big
and I'm very excited about this. There's not a lot on this game. Peggy 18, which gives information about upcoming video games that are coming out, new video game coming out on October 2nd, 2025 called
Directive
all revolves, it's very much like District
This crew comes to this
aboard this ship in space, and the ship is infected with an alien
it starts taking over the whole ship. So you've gotta fight your way and try to find a reason or a cure for this organism, or maybe to join with this organism is the thing. They haven't really given a lot of information, but I'm excited about it.
Neo (12:04)
not a gamer, big time gamer, but I love looking at those kinds of games
also are great storytellers in those games, you know, and when they
Android (12:12)
Yeah.
Neo (12:13)
diving into that whole science of the alien abasions or how things take over, that's one of the things that excites me.
Android (12:15)
yeah. One of the. Yeah,
one of the best games like that is called Dead Space and it is wild. They find an alien artifact and it does all this
and it's the only video game I've ever played where I actually
am scared to play the game.
Neo (12:33)
You get scared, you can't play it at night or alone.
Android (12:36)
No, I play it at night and alone, but I get scared. have to, I'm a nightlight.
Neo (12:40)
know, you can call me if you get scared while you're playing it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that... Yeah. Alright, just call me next time.
Android (12:42)
Really? would... Wow. I should do that. I'll call you like at 2.30 in the morning when I'm up. Hey! I'm playing! I'm
so scared! I'm so scared!
Neo (12:53)
All right. Well, that's today's alien news and entertainment. Andrew, thank you so much. Appreciate it.
I'm excited about our guest today. He is not your average experiencer.
And when we talk about alien abductions, cosmic visions and mind bending encounters, there are those who analyze them,
who study them. And then there are those who live
us today is Perry Arthur Kroger. He's a visionary performer. He's a writer, designer and artist. And he has spent
decades shaping reality both on and off the stage. He has stood on Broadway not once not twice but three
his theatrical magic to audiences from New York to Copenhagen, Bangkok to Moscow. And for over 30 years he's been a creative powerhouse at the growing stage the Children's Theater of New Jersey where he sets puppets costumes and graphic artistry have transported audiences to realms beyond imagination.
He's studied at the Vienna Academy of visionary arts in
Austria. He's painted live at Burning
And he now resides at Cosm, which is the chapel of sacred mirrors as an art assistant decorator and
he's got a 20, 25 vocal album dropping with musical director, Tom Spahn. It's titled.
I want to spank you in the
welcome our first alien abductee experiencer to Mostly True Alien Stories, Perry Arthur Kroger.
Android (14:12)
There he is.
Neo (14:14)
you just missed it because I did an amazing introduction on you.
Perry (14:17)
I'm so sorry I missed it. It was all lies, right?
Android (14:19)
It was, it was
Neo (14:20)
No,
Android (14:20)
good. No, it
Neo (14:20)
I did make up some stuff.
Android (14:21)
wasn't. wasn't. I, I fact checked it. It was fantastic.
Perry (14:24)
Andrew, nice to meet you.
Neo (14:24)
we're
Android (14:26)
Nice to meet you too, Perry. Welcome.
Neo (14:28)
Yeah, Perry, you're our first alien abductee experiencer on our show.
want to get right into it
At the time of your
abduction experience, this was in 1970.
Perry (14:39)
It would have had to be
1989, I'm quite sure, because that show was in 1989. Senator Joe.
Neo (14:46)
Senator Joe, yeah. So tell me about Senator Joe. What was the, how did that come to be?
Perry (14:50)
Well, you
okay, well, our mutual friend who's now left the planet, Tom O'Horgan.
Neo (14:57)
Tom
Ohorgan, the great director Tom Ohorgan who had hair. Yeah. Yep.
Perry (14:59)
He directed the original hair. He and Lenny
Android (15:01)
Yeah, and Lenny.
Perry (15:03)
and did you say Jesus Christ Superstar? Okay, well anyway.
Neo (15:06)
We did not yet. But he had
all three of those shows on Broadway at the same time.
Perry (15:11)
Yep.
I think it's a world record, actually. Anyway, he, this is later in his career after his big successes, he wanted to write, he wanted to start a pop music opera company called Popera.
one of the one of the pieces he wanted to create was the story of Senator Joe McCarthy back in the 50s, the the communist scare and the
Hollywood trials and all that. Anyway, we wrote it. We wrote the musical of that was very stressful.
Neo (15:38)
Jill McCarthy was heading up the whole, right?
Perry (15:40)
Yeah, Joe
McCarthy and his lawyer, Roy Cohen. And it was the first televised trial, like government trial.
Neo (15:47)
Mm-hmm.
Perry (15:49)
the show itself was rocky and went on forever and was produced by a woman named Adela Holzer, who ended up to be a total crook. it
Neo (15:59)
It was slated for Broadway and you guys were out. It was on Broadway.
Perry (16:01)
It was on Broadway. It was in the Neal
Simon Theater for two previews. And then she got arrested at a phone booth down the street.
whole... She was a big con artist,
Neo (16:10)
turns out that she was a big con artist, right? She was.
speaking of Tom O'Horgan, because I remember Tom O'Horgan mentioning to me at one point that all Broadway
are nuts. They they're calling you from an insane asylum while they're in a straight jacket using their tongue to dial the phone. He always said that.
Perry (16:29)
Mmm.
That's too funny.
ever in it? No. okay, all right. Because I can keep picturing you in it, I don't know. Anyway,
Neo (16:34)
I wasn't in that show. think I came around right after that. Yeah.
Yeah, no, no.
Perry (16:45)
that was obviously a very stressful.
to be doing anyway, I we were at out-of-town tryouts in Port Chester, New York
the time Gordon Harrell was my boyfriend and he and I shared a hotel room across from the
It had twin beds like old-fashioned 1950s twin beds he was
Neo (17:06)
So this
is the night of this experience. Yeah, okay. And you're out of town, you're having tryouts for the show. Okay, so go ahead.
Perry (17:09)
Yeah, this is the night of that experience.
Mm-hmm.
And that night we slept at this hotel. And it's significant that we were both in separate beds because I started in the middle of the night, then I started to have like a fever dream I couldn't wake up from. And there were three shadowed figures back lit in front of me talking amongst themselves telepathically, we're going to touch you. Okay, we're gonna touch you now. We're gonna touch you now. And they had these fingers.
And I.
Neo (17:42)
They were specifically,
that's what you remember. They were saying, this is their conversation. They wanted to touch you almost as if they were pro.
Perry (17:47)
Yes, and I was either
paralyzed or tied down. could not move.
it was more than any nightmare I ever had. It seemed real.
Neo (17:56)
you were paralyzed, you're not able to move, this is happening.
Android (17:57)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Perry (17:58)
Right, and they're like,
we're gonna touch you now, the finger's coming closer and closer and closer. And I'm getting more and more more freaked out. And then the moment of contact happened where they touched me here on the shoulder. And I woke up to scream and my ass off, and Gordon was over me. Like leaning over, looking at me, saying, it's okay, it's okay, trying to wake me up.
And I woke up
Okay.
Neo (18:26)
Yeah, but wait, let's back up before you get to
the next morning and talking. So while you were experiencing this, I want to talk about the characters, the aliens. Did you get a sense of what they looked like?
Perry (18:34)
okay.
No, they were backlit and the color was blue gray and it was a very feverish type of
Neo (18:41)
Yeah.
Yeah.
The colors,
the backlit colors were blue-gray.
Perry (18:50)
No, they were they were like showing up as a blue gray with a with a light behind
Android (18:55)
with
a light bike, kinda like their aura was kinda blue-gray.
Perry (18:58)
Yeah, a little bit like
Yeah, that's interesting. You had me thinking about
Neo (19:00)
Don't put words into his mouth, Andrew.
no distinguishing features of eyes or anything along those lines. Yeah.
Perry (19:06)
No, I just knew that they were
from somewhere else and they were about to touch me. Cause that's the words. We are allowed to touch you.
Neo (19:13)
So what, but, and
you, your initial response was you were frightened?
Perry (19:19)
never felt fear like that. I remember it. That's why this is stuck in my brain. Because this is more of a fear that I felt only that one time. It's not when I felt fear in nightmares.
Neo (19:24)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So did you, were you afraid because this was an experience that was happening that you were out of control? You didn't have the control of it. But do you think you were afraid of them or you were afraid of the situation?
Perry (19:39)
Mm-hmm. Yes.
I was afraid of the situation. was more afraid of, I guess I was afraid of them, but I was really afraid of what
might happen if they touched me.
Android (19:56)
it feel like a long time, mean, did it feel like just really brief? Okay, okay.
Perry (19:59)
No, this is not a long dream. This is
this little chunk. And I mean, it was written off as a nightmare for years, but now it's really started to come back.
Neo (20:09)
right. So the next morning you get up and Gordon.
Perry (20:11)
I get up and
I said, and, we were like, Whoa, that was quite a nightmare. Right. And he said, yeah, you were like screaming. And I said,
okay. I was thinking, was I somehow in between worlds witnessing Gordon leaning over the bed and interpreting that as aliens.
So I asked him how long, cause that was an expanse of time. I mean, I would say
That was a good five minutes of them. We're going to touch you. We're going to touch. So I asked him, well, so how long were you
Neo (20:40)
Right. Yeah.
Perry (20:45)
leaning over the bed?
And he said, absolutely no time, not even seconds. said, what do you mean? He said, I was fast asleep. I woke up, got out of bed and leaned over you and touched and woke you up.
that didn't match up.
Neo (21:02)
But you weren't even screaming
Perry (21:04)
said I was he didn't know why but he woke up got it was like one two three woke up got out of bed went over and touched me on the shoulder.
Neo (21:13)
Yeah. And had no reason,
rhyme or reason to do it. There was no disturbance. Yeah. Yeah.
Perry (21:18)
No. He said he just got up and did that.
And so the minute he touched me, I woke up like...
was pretty intense. And he was like, it's
Neo (21:27)
You scared the aliens away? Yeah, you scared everybody
Android (21:30)
and
Perry (21:31)
Then it was like, you know, some TV movie. He stopped me by the shoulders, it's all right. No, no, no. And I did finally wake up.
Neo (21:34)
Yeah. Yeah.
Android (21:39)
Did the,
did the next morning he say tomorrow we're getting separate rooms.
Neo (21:40)
Ha
Perry (21:43)
There's only that one night that we stayed there.
Android (21:46)
Okay, okay, good.
Neo (21:46)
Yeah.
Perry (21:47)
of the other writers on the project, Jonathan Walker, do know him? He's an actor.
Yeah, I
Neo (21:52)
you think I know all the actors Perry?
Android (21:54)
I know Johnny Walker, red,
black, blue.
Perry (21:57)
so the next day, I was a day later, because now I'm in back at home in New Jersey, and I'm on the phone with john Walker, who's, you know, also stressed out over this project. And I I'm telling him what I just told you. And he said, he listened and he said, Okay, stop. I said, What he said, read communion. I said, What's that? He said, It's a book communion.
Neo (21:58)
So yeah, go ahead.
Hmm?
Perry (22:22)
by Whitley Streber, read that book. I said, okay, so, you know, then days pass and I finally, get a copy of paperback copy of Communion and I look at it and there's a scene in it where the guy's in bed, he's paralyzed, he can't move and there's three figures back lit. It had the same scene.
Neo (22:42)
Hmm. Yeah.
so after the experience, did it, was it in all seriousness, was it troubling to you for a little while? I mean, did you think about it for a long time and, but, was, what, what was troubling to you about it? What was it that was making you, did you have anxiety over it or whatever? Maybe.
Perry (22:52)
Yes. Long time, never forgot it.
Yeah,
I think the the biggest anxiety point would be feeling like I'd had a nightmare, but this nightmare was different than anything I experienced in that it felt real. It felt so real. And I've even had lucid dreams, where you're half awake, but you're still in the dream. And that that can be cool, because you can say, Whoa, I wonder what's around that
Neo (23:17)
Mm.
Perry (23:28)
consciously,
Android (23:29)
have you ever undergone hypnosis to try to see if you can
Perry (23:31)
know.
Android (23:33)
more information or no?
Perry (23:34)
No.
Neo (23:35)
That's why he's on the show. It's sort of like alien therapy for him right now. We're helping him through
so you're so that the experience didn't end
Perry (23:43)
that was 89, say skip six years or in the mid 90s. And I met my friend Kenny's in Tribeca and I'm asleep in the bedroom and he's watching TV in the next room. I, baby. And then I'm asleep here and I start to have the same realistic feeling, nightmare feeling.
Neo (23:48)
Mm-hmm.
You get around, Perry.
Again. Right.
Perry (24:06)
the first time in like six years.
But this is different. I'm in a field looking up and I'm looking at a really tall tripod. A classic diskish UFO on tripods and I'm looking up and I've that same kind of fear but less is I mean, as I look up to I think, that's what it looks like from the outside. And then I wake up again.
Neo (24:30)
But you felt, you felt as if that was a continuation of the original experience.
Perry (24:35)
Yes, it was absolutely connected from like, because I was thinking, that experience where the three aliens wanted to touch me. That's where I was, I was in that craft. And that's what it looks like from the outside.
Neo (24:45)
Let's.
I was just mentioning to Andrew, I've never hit a hole in one and I've never seen a UFO.
Perry (24:54)
I only saw a UFO in the sky out at night in the sky. I saw one once, I think, and I'm not sure.
Neo (25:01)
I feel like
if there is this landing of aliens one day and it's all revealed that hey guys there are people from other planets what is it going to do to us as a civilization how will we react and respond
Perry (25:15)
can
hypothesize about that forever.
Neo (25:18)
Yeah,
yeah, there's so many different scenarios that that could possibly happen that I don't know that would all be good.
Perry (25:23)
going to mess religion
Religion's going to be like, wait a minute.
Neo (25:26)
yeah.
Yeah. That goes out the window. Yeah.
Perry (25:29)
But actually
just before when I was waiting to get on, I had a little fantasy about it is finally disclosure. The UFO is coming down from the sky. There's a whole cross section of humanity crowded around watching it and all the grown women are going, ah, and the men are like, and then there's this little group of teenagers that are like 14, 15 and they're all on their phones.
Neo (25:54)
Yeah. They don't see
Yeah.
Perry (25:55)
or they see it,
but it's
is this really how long does how long is this going to take?
Neo (25:58)
Can you guys speed it up?
Perry (26:04)
no, but
Neo (26:04)
So,
Perry (26:04)
I was getting to is, I saw amongst the stuff that I do watch somebody said,
Neo (26:05)
yes, what are you getting to?
Perry (26:11)
do they exist?
Was it a nightmare or was it an alien experience? This person was questioning their own story and I thought, whoa, you know, maybe it's time for me to really look at this less as a nightmare and more as an experience, an interdimensional experience.
Android (26:28)
No.
Neo (26:29)
for you to take that viewpoint
and say, was it a nightmare or was it an experience?
would generally lean towards it was a nightmare. So if you get the feeling that it was more of an experience,
That's separated from other dreams. That's separating from everything else that you may have experienced when you're sleeping, you know what I mean? So it's completely a different category because your E, it's E. Yeah, yeah, which would make you go, man, that is, you know, that's, it must've been an experience. You know, I.
Perry (26:50)
Mm-hmm.
It's a different category nightmare if that's what it is.
Android (26:56)
Yeah, yeah.
Perry (27:02)
And I've been doing
alien art ever since. See, that's the other thing. You know, Richard Dreyfuss in Close Encounters when he doesn't know why, but he starts building a mountain out of mashed potatoes. It's kind of I, when I look back since 1989, there I've got this plethora of like here, I made a skateboard. Look at that. See, this is the alien with the
Neo (27:05)
That's what I was just gonna get to.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
of alien art.
Yeah.
Perry (27:28)
downloading their information into our DNA.
Neo (27:29)
Well, do
me a favor, Perry. Explain this to our listeners who only listen. Tell me what we're looking at on there. Yeah, so the back of a
Perry (27:37)
a skateboard.
the
idea is that there's an alien and they're downloading into our conscious world information that can change our DNA into something else. I don't know what, but it's transformative thing. Yeah.
Neo (27:47)
So you got the alien head at the top, down into the eye.
Through the ship. Very. That is so beautiful.
Android (27:58)
Cool.
Neo (27:59)
Yeah, that's
Perry (28:00)
and this guy.
Neo (28:02)
well, so that's the famous alien machine apparatus that is on the,
Perry (28:06)
It's in Palenque in a a on a tomb in Palenque in a pyramid.
Neo (28:10)
Yeah.
Yeah.
And if that's not an alien ship, I don't know what is. And that was actually... Yeah, right.
Perry (28:16)
We always say it could be the tree of life. You know, there's other things that it could
be that are much more acceptable, but
sure looks like a spaceship to me. I think that's how he would say
Neo (28:28)
That's how he would have done it. Yeah, that's how he did it. Perry, where can we, where can our listeners see your artwork, your alien artwork especially?
Perry (28:35)
I'm about to change, yeah, I gotta get more of it up on my, I have an ancient website. Yeah, they gotta come over.
Neo (28:40)
they gotta come to your house.
Android (28:45)
Perry's address is
Neo (28:48)
You guys should all go there and just fuck with them and say you like aliens like. Yeah.
Android (28:52)
Dress like an alien and just show up.
Neo (28:57)
Well, Perry, love your story. really do. And I believe that you had an
have been a dream. But I feel like I love the continuation of your story. You know, I like that there was a question and then an
Perry (29:07)
It doesn't
Neo (29:09)
There's many people out there that have these experiences that it's crippling to them. And, you know, I hope that that's not that way for you. And I like your healthy approach to looking at this experience as well. think that's, that's very helpful to listeners who do have had experiences, I think in a sense, you know, to kind of look at it and go looking, you're okay. Everything's
Android (29:28)
I think it's cool that you're using your creativity as a creative outlet to kind of just keep it alive for you. find that fascinating. That's awesome.
Perry (29:36)
Well, and now, I mean,
it wasn't true up until a few years ago. Alien art has really taken off. mean, people want alien art.
Neo (29:46)
I want some alien art. want some Perry Arthur Kroger alien art.
Perry (29:49)
I'm gonna be making
really beautiful prints of like that last supper.
Neo (29:53)
Yeah, the Last Supper, and I'll pop it up on the screen, but the Last Supper is amazing. It's so it's got Jesus laying on the table and then you have all the aliens as disciples around the table. made you think of doing that?
Perry (30:05)
Well, it's, it's very unromantic. I, I thought to myself, I've always enjoyed the composition of Da Vinci's Last Supper. And I thought, wouldn't it be cool if instead of apostles, there are aliens? And then I did that. So cool. I know.
Neo (30:10)
Lie to me.
Ha
Is that so unromantic?
Yeah. Well, I love it. And if you guys listeners get a chance, you got to check out Perry Arthur Kroger's, alien artwork. And if you have an experience you want to share with us, you can put it in the comments in this podcast.
Perry (30:39)
Yeah,
you know where where they can see a lot of read more recent stuff is just my Facebook page. I'm I love that generation that has a Facebook page,
Neo (30:45)
Under Perry Arthur Kroger.
All right. Now it's
our mostly true alien story portion of the show. Perry on
Android (30:51)
was my favorite time.
Neo (30:56)
we generally do is why we'll share
something reported in history. That's right. And then we will all weigh in on whether we think it's a mostly true.
Perry (31:01)
you did Travis Walton last time, right? Yeah.
Android (31:00)
production story.
Neo (31:09)
alien story or not. And today's story takes us to a hot night in Brazil.
The air was thick with humidity and it was in the remote farmland of São Francisco de Sals Brazil. I think that's how you say it. The moon hung low, it casting a dim glow over the vast open fields
Android (31:24)
Yes, close enough.
Neo (31:29)
and it was 1
It was the kind of night where the heat still clung to the earth, even under the stars.
For Antonio Villas-Boas, he was a 23-year-old Brazilian farmer
He worked at night, unlike all of his other neighbors who worked during the day. Antonio had taken to plowing his family's fields at night to escape the scorching
And so he had nothing but his tractor and it was just the steady rhythm of his work. He's just riding along on his tractor at night. And the only sounds he heard were, you could hear the insects and the low hum of the engine of the
And then all of a sudden his
the engine began to sputter.
but before he can make sense of anything, a bright red light illuminated the field in front of him. And in front of him, it was hovering, just casting an eerie glow across the soil. And then suddenly his tractor dies
and just silence.
Android (32:20)
I'm right, I feel it.
Neo (32:22)
Okay, now Antonio looked up to
Perry (32:22)
I'm on edge.
Neo (32:25)
he couldn't even fathom this, it was a strange egg-shaped craft and it was descending from the sky. It was metallic surface, it reflected the moonlight and it hovered just a few meters above the ground kicking up dust as it slowly lowers itself to the
And then the hatch opens.
And before he could even react, these three humanoid
Figures emerged and they all rushed towards
They were only about five feet
were wearing tight fitting gray jumpsuits and helmets that obscured their faces. And their movements were quick. They were methodical. And before he could do anything, was about to run. He was gonna sprint away. They grab him and they forcefully drag him toward the ship.
So he's fighting, he's trying to get out of it, they were, they were, he mentioned that they were inhumanly
pull them up into the metallic ramp and into the glowing interior of the
And once he's inside,
the door seals
And then he noticed that the room was strangely bright, but there was no visible lights anywhere. So he couldn't figure that
And he's ushered into a small chamber where the air felt
thick and he smelled like this burnt rubber mixed with sulfur.
And it just made his head and he his stomach he was feeling sick to his stomach. And then this is where it gets really fun. They strip them. Strip them naked. And he ate. Yeah, yeah. He tried to fight back. But the the beans. Yeah. yeah. Start with my pants.
Android (33:45)
Yeah, now it's a party.
Did he? Did he? He was like, please, no!
Perry (33:51)
No.
Android (33:54)
Please, not my pants. Don't forget my underwear. But not my pants! Go ahead.
Neo (33:57)
Thank god I had my
Velcro suit on.
Perry (33:58)
I've got to change my underwear!
Neo (34:02)
So the beings, didn't, they weren't speaking during any of this. So as he's trying to fight back, they didn't even grunt, they didn't even breathe loudly. This is the things that he's mentioning that he just was odd to him. And they simply just overpowered him with these. And then they smear him with this thick gel-like substance. So he's butt-ass naked, they're smearing him with this thick gel-like substance, and he said it smelled like
was like a chemical-like odor. It just clung to his skin.
Android (34:26)
I'm
disinfectant.
Neo (34:31)
Yeah, maybe.
So of course, he's wondering, is this a medical experiment? What are you going to do to me? What's going on? And then the door opens up
And a new figure steps
This was a female. She was different. She was yeah, yeah, yeah, she was taller. Yeah, she was taller.
Perry (34:49)
This happens. This happens. This sounds like a lot
of other stories. You know that.
Neo (34:54)
yeah, yeah.
Android (34:55)
this is when
you hear, Dear Penthouse Forum, I wouldn't believe it would have happened to anyone except to me.
Neo (34:58)
Yeah.
Perry (35:00)
It was a saxophone in the background.
Android (35:04)
Yeah, exactly. Kenny G's there.
Neo (35:04)
Yeah, yeah.
Perry (35:06)
I'm
Neo (35:07)
was tall. She was about his height. She had long platinum blonde hair and cat like blue eyes and a small pointed chin.
And now her body was athletic. She was toned. She's with small but well defined features.
So she sounds hot to me, but
He's saying that there was something unnerving about her. Her skin was covered in red body hair, soft and almost glowing under the ship's light.
So her whole body is covered in this this body hair, this red body hair, and she didn't
Perry (35:36)
Red body hair. Kind of a buzz skill.
Android (35:39)
They didn't have Nair back then, that's why. If it was the 70s, they would have had Nair.
Neo (35:41)
Mm-mm. Yeah. Yeah.
Perry (35:42)
Right, this is the fifth thing.
Neo (35:45)
Her salon trips must have been expensive.
Android (35:48)
She never heard of a Brazilian, I guess. Nope. No pun intended. He's in Brazil, but she didn't have it done. Okay.
Neo (35:50)
No, that wasn't invented yet in 57.
Perry (35:50)
Alright, he's at work. Yeah, he's the best
Neo (35:56)
They didn't
invent it
so there she is standing there in all her glory and she didn't speak. She didn't hesitate. Instead. She approached Antonio with a lot of purpose.
And then she initiated what could only be described as an intimate
Yeah. They
Android (36:11)
Let's get it on.
Neo (36:13)
They definitely banged.
Perry (36:14)
I switched to Barry White.
Neo (36:16)
right. Yeah.
Antonio was dazed and disoriented still, and he claimed later that the act wasn't forced, but it also wasn't exactly
I guess he got turned on by her and you know, if he's saying it wasn't a forced act.
Perry (36:32)
We'd have to get somewhat
turned on or wouldn't be able to make anything happen.
Neo (36:36)
Maybe but you don't know maybe aliens have so that that gel maybe just forced it to happen. It was like, god
anyway, she She growled softly he said it wasn't a sound that seemed come out of her mouth It just seemed to echo inside his mind almost like
so she's making all these groaning sounds but it's in his head
and then after what felt like an eternity, she pulls
before she left, she placed both hands on her stomach, then pointed toward the
she walked out disappearing into the shadows of the ship. That might've been her. That might've been what she does. Every time she makes love to somebody, she does this and yeah, it was like.
Perry (37:12)
Is it their version of thumbs up? Well, but she was saying this baby will now be born in the sky. Baby was now connected to the sky.
Neo (37:14)
Yeah, give it a thumbs up or high five. Yeah.
Android (37:15)
Could have been a thumbs up. They didn't have high fives back there.
be in the stars? Possibly.
Neo (37:22)
I think that's what she's saying. Yes.
This is what Antonio thought. He thought he believed he had just been part of a hybrid breeding program. We call him Tony now.
Android (37:24)
Probably, yeah.
Perry (37:31)
Tony.
Yeah, cool.
Neo (37:34)
Minutes later, afterwards, the humanoid beings returned in the ship, right? And they let Antonio through another corridor back to the hatch. So they took him out the back door, it sounds like. It's okay. He's done with them. The ship descends to the ground and without
Perry (37:47)
Wow.
Neo (37:48)
without ceremony, they just push him out of the ship. Basically is what he said.
Perry (37:52)
Thanks a lot.
Neo (37:53)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They threw a quarter on his ass. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The moment he hit the dirt out of the craft, the spaceship took off shot upward at impossible speeds. He said, and it disappeared into the night sky. And for a long time, Antonio simply just stood there. He was butt ass naked. He's trembling. He's drenched in sweat and he's covered in this foul smelling gel. Yeah. Yeah.
Android (37:54)
He wasn't that good. She would have taken him. She was disappointed.
Perry (37:56)
I know.
Disappointed.
Android (38:00)
She was disappointed.
Perry (38:10)
Okay.
We still has that shit on.
Android (38:21)
Hmm.
Neo (38:22)
Then he was just stood there in the field silent and his tractor still dead. It's not going anywhere and That was it. So afterwards
was an investigation so Antonio He didn't he didn't immediately immediately tell anyone of this
He was he felt sick. He was exhausted as if his entire body had been drained and then
Perry (38:39)
Mm-hmm.
Neo (38:41)
Within days, he started to experience these strange symptoms. So uncontrollable
severe fatigue, he had painful red sores on his skin, and it was all as if he had been exposed to radiation.
Antonio confided in a Brazilian journalist, Yoja, Yao Martins, who had been investigating UFO sightings. So Martins was intrigued and arranged for Antonio to be examined by a doctor by the name of a Lavo Fontes. And he was a respected position, with ties to Brazil's national school of
Perry (39:08)
Hmm
Neo (39:14)
And his diagnosis was that
Antonio had it been exposed to an intense source of radiation.
he's simp. That's the doctor's report. That's what he's saying. He was exposed to intense source of radiation. he claimed that all the symptoms were consistent with those found in radiation poisoning victims.
Perry (39:21)
So there's a doctor's report.
Neo (39:34)
a lot of skeptics emerged from this. said some claimed he had hallucinated it due to working long hours.
Perry (39:40)
Which would apply to my story as well, by the way.
Neo (39:43)
You were probably working a lot of hours during your show and getting that up and getting real. Yeah. Yeah. but you weren't stripped naked and slathered with gel.
Perry (39:46)
very stressful.
No. Nope.
Neo (39:53)
Yeah. No, not by aliens. wasn't.
Android (39:53)
It was crepe jelly. They used crepe jelly.
Perry (39:55)
Yeah.
Calder's all fruit, I think.
Neo (40:01)
Others suggested it was a nightmare intensified by the rural folklore of alien visitors and some even believed it was a publicity stunt for attention, which I don't not buy that. He never made money off the story. He never tried to write a book. He never pursued television deals and he became a respected lawyer in his later years. And he passed away in 1991. It doesn't say by radiation poisoning or anything along those lines.
Android (40:09)
I don't
Neo (40:25)
Other things to note, there were other sightings just a month later on November 2nd, 1957. A UFO sighting in Levelyn, Texas was reported by multiple witnesses, including law enforcement officers. I mean, that's not Brazil, but it was in Texas. And in the same region of Brazil, rural farmers also reported seeing low-flying, egg-shaped craft around the same time as Antonio's abduction.
that's the story and now I'm gonna pass it on to you Perry and I'd like to know if you would like to weigh in on whether you think this is a mostly true alien story or not.
Perry (40:58)
Well, you know, all I can say is I like to think these things are true and that these people are really telling the truth and that something I do actually believe is that, you know, we live in one dimension here, there's myriads of other dimensions out there and it's interdimensional, you know, like some of it that he was up there and
This all happened, but it only happened in his mind, on another dimension, he was actually there. I mean, that's kind of how I feel about these things. Multiverse, the multiverse, yeah. on that, I mean, in that respect, yeah, absolutely. I believe this guy. I mean, it would be nice to meet him and see if I really thought he was a nice man. And I love the fact that he didn't...
Android (41:31)
multiverse.
Neo (41:35)
Sure. So wait, let me ask you.
Mm-hmm.
Perry (41:50)
pursue anything publicly about it. That's a good sign.
Neo (41:56)
And you're saying based
on what the facts that I shared within the story and the whole reporting of it, you feel as if what does he have to gain from it? Right. And by making this story up.
Perry (42:08)
Right.
experience these things and they just they don't fit within their realm of existence as it is consciously, you know, they fit more into an unconscious thing that did it happen or didn't it happen? I think more about more and more about that as I remember that experience of mine and So I think I don't think people are lying whether it was three-dimensional
Neo (42:18)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Perry (42:38)
there's the spacecraft, ding, ding, ding. I don't know.
I don't know about that. But did he have an experience? Yes. Is he lying? No, that's my answer.
Neo (42:43)
Okay.
So
you feel this is a mostly true alien story. Okay. All right. And now I will hand it up.
Perry (42:50)
Yeah. Yeah.
Android (42:52)
with a lean on mostly
true, Mostly true, got it. Okay, okay.
Perry (42:55)
Mostly. Mostly, yeah.
Neo (42:55)
Mostly true alien story and
now Andrew I hand it off to you. Is this a mostly true alien story or not? Why? Yeah, let's go
Android (43:01)
Absolutely not. And I'm going to give you reasons why.
Perry (43:05)
Okay.
Android (43:06)
Okay, so in the 1950s and 60s in Brazil, in Central and South America, the CIA, with a thing called Operation Mirage, was actually conducting fake UFO abductions, to where they would give hallucinogens to people, and they would think that they were being abducted by aliens. Now,
This comes from Fontes that you mentioned, reached out to the APRO, which is the Aerial Phenomena Research Organization, which was based in the United States at the time. A gentleman by the name of Bosko Nettelkovich. He's a CIA, Bosko Nettelkovich. He was a CIA operative. He said that helicopters,
Neo (43:42)
That's really his name, Bosko Nettle Kovits.
Android (43:53)
were flying near that area they were flying and they were picking up
Neo (43:57)
wait, were flying their helicopters down and but they're picking up farmers. Like landing, go and get them.
Android (43:59)
They would fly around in that area is what they would do. They're picking up people, yes, and they're
Perry (44:05)
They were landing in
Android (44:07)
landing, getting them, giving them hallucinative drugs and making them appear that it was aliens. Now here's a little backstory on Villa Boas. He comes from a very wealthy family of farmers. So he had all the farm hands working during the day so that he could stay cool. And then he would drive the tractor at night and do the plowing.
He was one of four families in that whole area that actually owned a gas powered tractor in the 1950s. So they were pretty, they were pretty
Neo (44:32)
Mm-hmm.
What were they farming?
Android (44:39)
I don't know. I don't know what they farmed, but they farmed. They were plowing at night, which is really weird. Cause I have friends here in Indiana that are farmers and nobody works at night.
Perry (44:45)
Yeah
Neo (44:48)
1957, that's a different time.
Perry (44:49)
I just swear
that he was out in the field.
Android (44:51)
But headlights?
Come on, how good could the lights have been on the tractor?
Neo (44:53)
Well, I
think you know your field. You just gotta roll straight lines.
Perry (44:58)
Not in the dark, in 1968.
Android (44:59)
Mmm. Yeah. Thanks, Perry.
Neo (45:02)
I don't know. Two against one.
Android (45:02)
we're just going to shut Neil off. Perry, you and I are going to
Neo (45:05)
the only reason I argue this is because I have seen farmers farming at night.
Android (45:08)
No,
I have seen them plowing up wheat fields and stuff. Yeah, I got it. Okay. So according to Kovac, the helicopter flew overhead over Villa Boas. They sprayed a gas onto the ground and that was the smell that he smelled before.
Neo (45:11)
Yes.
So, so Kovac
was, he was directly a part of this particular.
Android (45:26)
He was
in charge of this area of abductions during that time.
Neo (45:29)
So you... So he's... So
he knows exactly what happened that night.
Android (45:34)
Yes,
Now, here's the interesting thing. The men that he saw that had helmets with breathing tubes,
according to Kovac, they were wearing these breathing apparatuses. They were humans. They were wearing the breathing apparatuses so they wouldn't be affected by the gas, the hallucinated gas that they released on Villa Boas so that he could start thinking that this was a spaceship. That's why they had all these breathing tubes and all this stuff.
Neo (45:58)
But how
would they know what he is going to think?
Android (46:01)
because they've been testing the drugs on people.
Perry (46:04)
Right. Okay, but then they're dropping a hallucinogenic gas onto him from the air. Well, what about his recollection of just before as he watches the helicopter come?
Android (46:12)
Mm-hmm. Then they land.
It was bright lights, so he didn't, he wasn't really like getting it. The bright lights were coming. It's 1957, has he ever seen a helicopter before? Don't know.
Neo (46:23)
So they spray them.
spray
them and he immediately starts hallucinating this scenario. Okay.
Android (46:31)
Yep. They
take him up to the ship, they strip him down, they rub him with an antiseptic gel. The woman that he saw, Bieloboas described her as almond-shaped eyes, so very Asian. According to Kovac, it was actually an Asian prostitute that they had brought that he had sex with.
Neo (46:53)
So wait a minute. yeah. Yeah. They're just like, Hey, let's go out and take a Brazilian farmer tonight and get them laid.
Perry (46:54)
whoa, they went to a lot of work for this guy.
Android (47:01)
But
he wasn't the only one. Apparently other people had been experiencing alien abductions in Central and South America in the 1950s and 60s. Just saying.
Neo (47:08)
I wish I was
a farmer during that time in Brazil. I get so much ass.
Perry (47:12)
You were?
Android (47:13)
So
with that.
With that in mind, I have to go with
government experimented on people with LSD. We know that happened in the 60s. We know that happened.
Perry (47:26)
But I've never heard of it being shot out of a helicopter from above. I'm there minding my own business farm at night, as usual.
Android (47:30)
of a gas, right? Well, this is them, you know? We always speak of these.
got
a guy, he farms at night, let's mess with him.
Neo (47:42)
Yeah, that's the thing, like,
this story for me, for your side of it is just, they're just randomly flying around looking for a farmer by himself in the field and they have a prostitute on the helicopter just waiting in case they find this Brazilian farmer that they can have them mate. I'm not buying his story.
Android (47:51)
They're looking for people to...
Perry (47:57)
Good point.
Android (47:59)
Yeah. Well,
sorry. I'm going to say this is mostly not true.
Neo (48:03)
Well, I think you were on hallucinogenics when you found this
Because that's even more bizarre than Villa Boaz telling his side of the story.
Perry (48:11)
Don't you at any
time remember being approached by a helicopter and then a dumping hallucinogens on you? Don't you remember?
Android (48:18)
all the time. That happens to me every day.
Perry (48:21)
it's common occurrence.
Neo (48:23)
Alright, so you're saying it is not a mostly true alien story.
Android (48:25)
I don't believe it.
I don't believe it. And you know, the red spots that you said that that were on him, he said that the people on the ship had put these suction things on him and they actually sucked blood out of him. And he could see the blood being sucked out of him. And the other thing that's interesting is that Mila Boas didn't report this to anybody for two months before he went to talk to somebody about it. He didn't even tell his brother that he got abducted.
Neo (48:50)
Perry, was the when did you report your experience? Yeah, but just to
Perry (48:53)
I never...
Yeah, the
Neo (48:56)
Gordon, the Gordon, but after that,
Perry (48:55)
morning Gordon and I talked about it.
Android (48:57)
To Gordon! Yeah!
Neo (48:59)
kind of sat on it, right?
Perry (49:01)
I kept,
well no, then after that, a couple days later, I was on the phone with Jonathan Walker and he said, read communion.
Android (49:08)
See?
Perry (49:09)
It's been alive. This thing is coming. It's not like any other dream or nightmare I've ever had. And like I said, it might not have in our 3D dimension that we're living in. Maybe nothing happened. what's to say that that wasn't an interdimensional experience? Trippy is a good word.
Neo (49:29)
Yeah, that's, that's trippy. So, all right. So yeah.
So, Andrew, you think it's, it's not a mostly true alien story. Okay. Now it's my turn to weigh in. Listen, I, I love the whole fantasy idea of mating with a hot alien, right? I think that's very, very cool story. And I don't think that I don't care how much hallucinogenics that you spray on me.
Android (49:35)
I don't think it's mostly true. Uh oh.
Neo (49:51)
I'm going to come up with that idea in 1957. I don't see how that a farmer in Brazil, it doesn't matter how much money he has or what he's doing. You're not going to force this. It's an elaborate. Yeah. I just don't know how you can make that up. I don't know how you can force that to happen when they're trying to, you're saying that the government was trying to make them think that there are UFOs all over the area.
Perry (49:57)
Yeah, that's an elaborate ruse.
I know, we'll
take random farmers and dump hallucinogens on us. Yes!
Neo (50:22)
and then we're going to shrink the moon and
put it in our backyard. I mean, it's just ridiculous. So I, I, yeah, I think that there is a little Antonio Villas Boas alien hybrid somewhere in, our universe because I think that's right. Uh-huh. With arm hair. It would like she, you know, nice body hair and
Perry (50:29)
Sounds practical to me.
with red arm hair.
Sasquatch often appears with that color.
Neo (50:50)
I mean, there you go.
Perry (50:52)
Maybe
she's a product of, you know, one of the...
Neo (50:54)
But listen, I mean, good for you for trying with this story about the freaking government spraying these guys and taking them on board. I honestly think that I think that, this, this happened to Antonio. I feel bad for the guy. He kept it
Perry (51:02)
Let's move to the next page.
Neo (51:08)
I think, it probably disturbed him for quite some time and probably the reason why he didn't tell anybody. He didn't know how to conduct himself or how to approach anyone or who to talk to or how to get help.
But
over this for a couple of months, he finally was like, I got to talk to somebody about this and figure this out, see if there's some validity to it.
but I think he was taken. think his tractor died and then he was taken and that's what happened to him. And I would like to know if he was treated for radiation poisoning. That is something that I would like to know more about. I would like to know how he died.
don't know what age, 91 years.
Android (51:42)
He died in 91, I think, right? Yeah.
Yeah, but he went and he got married and he had kids and everything, so.
Neo (51:48)
Yeah,
yeah. He has one extra kid somewhere. Somewhere.
Android (51:52)
Hmm.
Neo (51:53)
Somewhere and he's gonna come back. But I think this is a mostly true alien story.
Uh, Perry. Yeah, Perry does as well. Me and Perry and it's me and Perry against you, Andrew. So yeah, it's two to one. It's a great show. Uh, listeners.
Perry (51:57)
I do too.
Android (52:03)
That's fine, you guys.
Perry (52:05)
With Andrew,
that's amazing information. That's a whole other...
Neo (52:08)
Yeah.
Yeah. He take that's what he does. That's why I let you go first, Perry, because I don't know what if that swayed your answer.
Perry (52:15)
And where did you find that information?
Android (52:18)
There's several things on the Vilas Boas things and it's actually considered not one of the most believable of the alien stories. The abductions, Fire in the Sky is actually more believable than Vilas Boas.
Perry (52:26)
Okay.
Neo (52:31)
according
to the ratings of whether it's more you know what you
Android (52:34)
Well...
Neo (52:34)
you bring me to a good point so listeners we'd like for you to start weighing in on these stories so add it in the comments whether you think it's a mostly true alien story or not and also let us know what stories you'd like us to dive a little deeper into
be great to know
Android (52:49)
We should go
out with the Beatles, Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds. That's what we should fade out
Neo (52:57)
Perry, I want to thank you for sharing your alien abduction experience. I love the story. I know it's a vulnerable thing to share with people and, and
Perry (52:53)
in the sky with diamonds.
Android (52:55)
There you go.
Perry (53:04)
love sharing it, you know,
It's one of my
favorite things about me, that story.
Neo (53:10)
It's one of my favorite things about you as well. Not only that, but your artwork. can't, everybody go check it out. can't, we don't know where to send you to find Perry, but go to, you're to go to Facebook, Perry Arthur Kroger. Yeah.
Perry (53:19)
You'll come out there.
Android (53:21)
Again, listeners, his address is 1816
Perry (53:24)
I don't really live there everybody. I don't really.
Android (53:26)
No, he doesn't live there. actually
Neo (53:27)
Alright guys, I appreciate it. Thank you so much. That's another episode of it mostly true alien stories. We'll see you on the next one.