Neo (00:00)
Andrew, there's so many alien stories to tell and only so little time to tell them. So let's just get
to another episode of Mostly True Alien Stories.
Android (00:06)
Wait.
Neo (00:27)
everybody to mostly true alien stories. You know, this is the podcast where we dig into some of the wildest alien encounters ever reported. And we ask the big question. Is this mostly true or not? I'm Neal Girandola and with me as always is my cohost, Andrew Triana. Hey, Andrew.
Android (00:46)
Hi, Neal
Neo (00:48)
I love the way you said that. I don't know if you mean that.
Android (00:49)
I wanted to be, know.
OK, wait. Hey, Neal.
Neo (00:54)
That's better. That's more like we're at a bar. Yeah. Hey,
Android (00:56)
You want a drink?
Neo (00:57)
No, no, after the
Android (00:59)
Okay.
Neo (01:00)
Today, Andrew is a weird story. And I know I say that a lot, but this one, it's really got me a little shook, a little, I don't know. I don't know what to think about it, but it's about a Wyoming Hunter.
Android (01:04)
Really?
Neo (01:13)
that goes into the woods. He's looking for elk and instead he finds himself face to face with a six foot tall
No collar bones.
got a floating cube and He takes a trip through space and time.
Android (01:26)
Man, that sounds like a fun time.
Neo (01:28)
And as we do on every episode, of course, I'll lay out the story exactly as it was reported. And then you and I will weigh in. was this guy actually abducted? Well, you know, we'll go through all the facts and we'll decide whether it's mostly true or not. of course we want to hear from our listeners. So you guys have to drop your thoughts into the comments as well.
So let us know if you think this one is mostly true or just something, mostly something else.
But before we get into that today's story, Andrew, let's check in with you for the latest in alien news and entertainment. What's going on in the world of UFOs, government coverups and celebrity close encounters, Andrew.
Android (02:06)
Okay,
so let's see here. in, February 19th, 2025, an airport in Turkey was thrown into chaos last night after pilots reported an unidentified illuminated object in the
Neo (02:21)
When was this?
Android (02:22)
was on February the 19th, just recently. Flights at the Gaziantep airport
Neo (02:25)
just a couple days ago.
Android (02:28)
were suspended for about an hour.
as a precautionary measure after the mysterious
Around 10 p.m. on, actually February 18th, because the report came out on the 19th, pilots spotted an unidentified object at the altitude of approximately 10,000
Neo (02:35)
Yeah.
Right?
Android (02:44)
reported the
Neo (02:44)
So it was low.
Android (02:45)
I mean, that's like takeoff level. Yeah, yep, yep, okay. They reported the situation to Control Tower according to the local news reports.
Neo (02:47)
Yeah, and it's flying over the airport. Okay.
Android (02:55)
Despite the object not appearing on radar, it was speculated that it could have been an unauthorized drone. After thorough investigations by security units, was concluded that the object seen by the pilots could,
Neo (03:02)
Well, okay.
Android (03:09)
I'm going to stress the word could, have been a drone being flown without
Neo (03:11)
Okay.
Android (03:15)
Normal service resumed around 11 p.m.
An aircraft once again was permitted to take off and land.
Neo (03:23)
All right. So are they, were they saying how it was flying? it like stopping and then going and was it, you know, how they explain the UFOs that have this unbelievable, you know, propulsion and you know, this sort of, you can tell that it's not of our earth technology. What did they say? How did they say it was flying?
Android (03:41)
they don't really talk about how it was flying. It was mostly hovering is what I'm getting. And then it darted off. Mostly hovering and darted off.
Neo (03:47)
Yeah, but you know, if you see a drone hovering,
you know it's a drone. So if I'm not hearing reports from,
Android (03:51)
True. True.
Neo (03:55)
this airport in Turkey that it was,
it was, it hovered then took off like a bat out of hell and then came back. the propulsion on it was unlike anything that we can create. Then it was a
Android (04:00)
Right, right, right.
Right? Right?
Neo (04:08)
don't the airports, aren't we able to detect whether it's drones or not? Why isn't that a possibility anymore? Why isn't that a thing?
Android (04:15)
I think because drones
don't appear on radar.
Neo (04:18)
They really don't? Why?
Android (04:19)
sure it might be what they're composed of or what they're made of. I'll have to do some research on that.
Neo (04:24)
Yeah, we should look into that because you would think now with all these issues with the drones that they're going to either enact some sort of that all drones have something in them that you have to be able to track.
Android (04:37)
It's like a drone identification card that they have to
Neo (04:39)
my God, that's brilliant.
Android (04:41)
So when it comes up on the radar, it says, that's drone number 15679. No, it's something that can say, right. Yeah, possibly.
Neo (04:44)
Well, you know what I mean, something along those lines. I think there should be something. I mean, we can't be
the only two brilliant guys in aviation right now coming up with this idea. It's gotta be out there.
Android (04:53)
Well, look,
found this one kind of interesting. It said this. says Trump's declassification could expose possible cover up spanning decades. We had reported earlier about the declassification group that has been formed, right? They're going to talk about all that. Yeah.
Neo (04:55)
else do you have?
Okay.
Yeah, so they're gonna declassify and they're gonna, JFK, they're gonna talk about
Epstein list, they're gonna talk, and then the UFO, yeah, and all of that. So, UAPs, but, is this what this story's referring to? Just the alien nature of the Uncovered?
Android (05:17)
Yeah.
UFOs, UAPs, and USOs. That's what we first learned about the USOs. Yeah.
Yes, this
is just the alien nature. So it says the government for decades has
excuse me, UFOs. I think it's undeniable that the government has looked at this for decades.
They've had multiple programs. Former UK Defense Ministry official and UFO expert Nick Pope
Neo (05:47)
Nick Pope.
Android (05:48)
Nick Pope, he said
a lot of people believe that there is a smoking gun somewhere in the files.
It's very widely held belief that elements in the US intelligence community know that some of this is extraterrestrial and have documents and files relating to this. And that of course is what everyone wants to know.
Neo (06:09)
Wait, who is Nick Pope? What does he do?
Android (06:11)
He was the former UK Defense Ministry official.
Neo (06:16)
I why is he commenting on this?
Android (06:18)
Because he's trying to help, man. You know, they're trying to unite.
Neo (06:22)
Yeah, yeah, they're trying to unite. That's great. I get it. And I think disclosure is important. I've said that all the time. I again, I don't even though they use the word disclosure and started disclosure group, I think there are levels of disclosure. Regardless, they're making us feel good by saying we're going to disclose all of this information. but I still think that it's just too.
make us calm down a little bit about everything and then whatever they tell us they think that now they were gonna want us to believe that that's everything. You know what I mean? So there is going to be disclosure and I think we'll get a little more information, but I don't believe we're gonna get all the details.
Android (06:52)
OK, right.
Right. Well, Pope also
said this, which I found was interesting. He said that shared some of the Intel in the files could hold information about real threats to our country. It's definitely a threat or potential threat, particularly because the pilots, radar operators, the intelligence community personnel who've looked at some of these cases
say that things are displaying speeds, maneuvers and
that make the best of our aircraft look like kids toys.
Neo (07:26)
Yeah, well, we've known that for some time and that is that is where I think the threat is is in collision or in accidents and things like that I think if they were going to do something to us with that technology it would have happened already
Android (07:28)
Right.
They're just observing. checking us out. They want to be with us, possibly. They want to help us. I they do want us to clean the planet.
Neo (07:44)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Android (07:50)
think they want us to.
Neo (07:50)
Well, and floss our teeth.
Android (07:52)
Right, because that's what that's that's first thing I would do. aliens. OK, this one I found really fascinating. We're going to stick on the UFO theme right now. is.
Neo (07:56)
All right, what else?
Well, it is an alien podcast.
Yeah, that's all we talk about is alien stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right, yeah. Yeah, go ahead. Let's hear it. Let's hear it.
Android (08:03)
is it really?
Damn. Okay, no, that's fine. I got more stuff then. This is perfect. This is perfect. Okay,
Forbes Magazine. UFO tourism is
with these 15 hotspots to visit around the world. Hotspots, baby. Yeah, a new report details that a number of sightings of unidentified anomalous phenomena is increasing as enthusiasts are searching for a chance to connect.
Neo (08:18)
Bye.
they got some hotspots for UFO stuff.
Android (08:34)
with the outrageous mysteries of the universe. That's right,
Neo (08:38)
Like where?
Android (08:39)
the annual Contact in the Desert event that takes place the last week of May in Joshua Tree is touted as the world's largest UFO and UAP conference
Neo (08:45)
we're going.
Android (08:51)
okay, so they're dedicated to exploring the frontiers of knowledge in UAP, artificial intelligence, and the future of technology and space travel, non-human intelligence, spirituality, health and wellness. Speakers this year include television adventurer Josh Gates.
Neo (09:06)
Okay.
Well, that'll be.
Android (09:06)
Other place that's
China.
Neo (09:08)
Wait, wait, you're moving on from that?
Android (09:10)
I'm
moving on from that. I got 15 hotspots to talk about, man. I
one. You want me just to focus on?
Neo (09:14)
Maybe we don't do all 15.
Why don't you just do it? Give me three of your favorites on this list.
Android (09:18)
Okay, all right. Colorado.
Neo (09:22)
What's happening there?
Android (09:23)
There's a UFO in the Forest. There's a thing called the UFO.
Neo (09:28)
Sure, the Rendlesham
incident. We're gonna talk about that.
Android (09:31)
There's a
UFO trail. The UFO Watchtower in Colorado's most unique roadside attraction invites extraterrestrial seekers and aficionados to the watchtower for a chance to spot an alien UFO for themselves. The location has hosted numerous UFO sightings over the years, which could be possible thanks to the vast and unfiltered views of the night sky.
Neo (09:56)
I wonder if they have like when the tours go out to there, if like they have like some high school kid throws on an alien suit and goes running through the woods,
and everybody's like, there's an alien.
Android (10:07)
so they have probably different levels of tours. And I think that's probably like top notch level. That's something that you and I could never afford.
Neo (10:09)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, it's like going on safari.
going to take you out to the lions and the elephants, or do you want to see the giraffes and the
Android (10:17)
Yeah.
true.
Neo (10:20)
You know, I used to be a tour
Six Flags Great Adventure for the Safari
Android (10:22)
What? No.
Neo (10:25)
they used to have a bus that would get on sort of open thing and you, you you drive through and then I would be upfront with the microphone and, know, to your left are the zebras and your right are the giraffes and you know, we're here, the Bengal tigers and we go, go through this and go through the tour, but in the spring when they open.
it's mating season. And so everywhere we went, you looked at left and I mean, they're mounted. I mean, it is full on, you know, round ticket down down everywhere you looked. There was one day I was just like, I, you know, parents are like looking at me horrified, like, it's my fault. These animals are all having sex. And, I would just be really quick brief about it, you know, and over to the right.
Okay, they're having sex over to the left. Let's look
was one of those tours in spring. You didn't want to go through the Safari.
Unless you unless you're into that.
Android (11:14)
natural man they're animals they just want to do it I mean why are we judging right why are we judging they were judging they were judging which is not cool
Neo (11:16)
It is natural, Andrew. You're absolutely right. You're absolutely right.
Well, I don't think I'm, I don't think I was judging. I'm just saying that, Yeah. You know, here are these parents are doing
to bringing their kids on a safari to learn about animals. And then, you know, it just turns R rated real quick.
Android (11:36)
I don't.
Okay, so the last place is Chile.
Neo (11:41)
Okay.
Android (11:41)
there is the Atacama Chile. There's a Mars-like landscape gives way to the Atacama Giant.
Neo (11:49)
It's like a Mars like landscape. That's cool. What?
Android (11:51)
Yeah, that's what they're describing it
as. It says there's a massive alien-looking prehistoric artwork that stands 30 feet longer than a football
is 390 feet tall. With more than 5,000 geoglyphs in the area, ancient astronaut theorists believe it was meant to signal extraterrestrial visitors, to the marks on a runway.
Neo (12:02)
Wow.
How old is it?
What's prehistoric? No, I know, but like.
Android (12:17)
dinosaurs?
they don't give a date. I don't think they've carbon dated it. They didn't. It's prehistoric. Yeah. A long time. Yeah. Before you and I.
Neo (12:23)
It's been, it's prehistoric. It's been there in prehistoric, since prehistoric times.
Wow. they, what's it look like?
Android (12:31)
Yeah.
It looks like a giant. It's really kind of weird looking. It looks like... No, it's got like a square head and a square rectangular body with legs and then it has these arms shooting out.
Neo (12:38)
Like a person?
Yeah.
Okay.
Android (12:49)
the fact that it's 30 feet longer than a football
So it's 100 yards plus 30 more feet. And is 390 feet tall.
Neo (12:52)
Yeah, that's big.
Yeah, that's big.
Android (13:00)
which I don't understand what that means,
looking at a photo of it right here. It looks pretty
It says that the National UFO Trail was created in San Clemente, Chile, leading to a unique formation known as El
are 233 massive megaliths weighing 10 tons apiece, which are erected like giant platforms in ancient times.
Neo (13:20)
Wow.
Android (13:23)
following a significant increase in the sightings in 1997. a study of anomalous aerial phenomenons that was created in 97 and it's the official body of the General Directorate of Civil Aeronautics, DGAC, studies anomalous aerial phenomenon in the Chilean airspace. Yeah, so yay Chile. Yes.
Neo (13:43)
Nice. So that's somewhere we can go visit.
Android (13:49)
along with going to California to Joshua Tree.
Neo (13:50)
Does it look like
giants built it?
Android (13:52)
It looks like, you know, like Stonehenge. Like, how did those big stones get out there? It's kind of like that. But they're lined up to create this big alien looking thing.
Neo (13:56)
Giants. Giants.
Android (14:02)
I'm gonna...
Neo (14:01)
Alright, so that's just
three of the spots we can visit. There's 15. Where can I find this list?
Android (14:05)
There's 15 spots,
yeah, maybe we'll just keep adding to the list. Check it out, Forbes Magazine has it listed. Okay, so you ready for your celebrity?
Neo (14:09)
Yeah, you can go check it out.
Yes, I want to hear this.
Android (14:18)
Mick Jagger.
Neo (14:19)
Let's go Mick. What you got? What'd do Mick?
Android (14:21)
Jagger is a huge UFO person. He's seen UFOs twice. The first time was in 1968.
was with his girlfriend at the time, Mary Ann Faithfull. They witnessed a luminous cigar-shaped mothership while camping at Glastonbury in 1968.
Neo (14:40)
Glatz and Burry's in the UK.
Android (14:42)
now here's another one. Another sighting happened in 19... was cigar-shaped mothership.
Neo (14:45)
Wait, did he describe what that looked like?
cigar shaped mothership. What made him think that that was not a blimp?
Android (14:52)
some mothership
I don't know the drugs he was on that's what I'm thinking no other description no that's all I got that's all I got wait let me check the let me let me let check my other research please hold
Neo (14:55)
Mm-hmm. There's no other description. He doesn't say it does something.
Okay.
Yeah, go ahead.
Android (15:07)
You can talk amongst yourself if you want.
Neo (15:08)
listeners for those
of you not watching this Andrew's checking something I don't know what he's checking
Android (15:13)
No. Here's
another article that I printed out. It just says here, I'm spotted a rare cigar-shaped mothership during a UFO sky watch. That's it.
Neo (15:26)
I just don't know what, what, mean, why does he claim it's a mothership?
Android (15:28)
Well,
here's another thing. Do you know that he has UFO detectors installed in his house?
Neo (15:35)
Wait, wait, what are UFO detectors? What is that? Who has UFO detect? Who knows what a UFO detector is? I mean, if he has UFO detectors, why doesn't the government have UFO detectors? How does Mick Jagger have the only UFO detector in the universe?
Android (15:42)
Meet Jager.
Because he's Mick Jagger.
because he's starting
it up. If you start him up, he'll never stop.
Neo (15:55)
Come on, Mick. UFO detector. Why does that UFO detector work, you think? Like, how does it dis- don't- Nope, that was a bird. That was a bird. Yep, nope, that's an airplane. Nope, that's a drone. UFO!
Android (16:06)
Here's here's something that, here, here, here.
Here's, this is what's funny. This is what this article says. It says, after all, who can explain why a UFO detector that Mick Jagger has installed in one of his estates in England kept going off every time he left?
It says UFO detectors every time he left. That's what I was thinking. UFO detectors, which are marketed throughout the world, operate on the principle that flying saucers create an electromagnetic field. The warning alarm is triggered whenever an electromagnetic impulse is detected, indicating that a UFO is in the neighborhood.
Neo (16:26)
They would go off every time he left. So he's an alien. Yeah.
Android (16:49)
So were they following Mick?
Neo (16:51)
There is UFO detectors. You could buy one for $275 on Amazon right now.
They all there's wait, there's even a list of the 10 best UFO detectors. Yeah, there is the UFO detector, you a pay you a P detector. It's got a magnetic field sensor. Then there's the there's the ED UFO LED high bay light with motion sensor. I don't know.
Android (17:03)
my gosh.
Neo (17:19)
That detects shit. There's a UFO detector with an internal magnetometer interfaced with it.
Android (17:20)
I'll look here.
To our
second sighting was actually at a concert where both he and Keith
it. They saw a craft with bright lights flying over the top of their concert in 1969 at the Alamont concert, which is in California.
That's all they say. They saw it. So now Keith Richards believes in UFOs as
Neo (17:48)
Yeah,
the only issue with that with guys of that level of rock and roll in their blood and the history of what they've been through to get to where they are and the indulging that they've had in their careers. When they say they saw UFO, what's the first thing you think of?
Android (18:01)
Are you saying they did drugs? They saw a UFO.
They saw a UFO. That's what I think of.
Neo (18:10)
You don't think that they.
Android (18:12)
They would never do drugs. No, they're too into their
music.
Neo (18:15)
Yeah.
Android (18:15)
They're music purists.
Neo (18:16)
You know what though, so the only way I would think that I would believe Mick Jagger saw UFOs if I'm standing right next to him and saw it with him. That's all I'm saying.
Android (18:25)
In 1969,
you would have been high as a kite with Mick. Of course you would have seen it.
Neo (18:29)
That would've been three.
Well, very interesting, but I don't believe it, but I'm glad what we discovered that I did not know there were you a UFO detectors, UAP detectors, and you can buy them on Amazon. Yeah.
Android (18:30)
Yeah, so.
Yeah.
Neo (18:47)
Yeah. You're guaranteed your money back if it does not work up to and identify
Android (18:45)
We'd like to thank our sponsor Amazon today for supplying those to people.
Unless you're abducted,
Okay, last but certainly not least, I have a movie recommendation. It took me a while to get into it. It's on Disney Plus and Hulu. It's called No One Will Save You.
Neo (18:59)
Okay.
No one will save you. What is this about? Who's in it?
Android (19:08)
No one will save you.
It stars, Caitlin Dever plays the main character. Her name is
she's forced in this film to confront a seemingly alien invasion in her
Neo (19:21)
And this is, wait, this is on what Hulu?
Android (19:22)
This is on Hulu and Disney+.
Well, they're both kind of the same now. So if you go to Disney +, you'll find if you go to Hulu, you'll find it. But the movie is really about her and this deep seated guilt that she's carrying around in her from a traumatic childhood incident.
Neo (19:40)
Okay.
Android (19:41)
It's actually really kind of a cool movie the aliens when I was really disturbing though was that they showed the grays You know we talked about the grays all the time and how they don't really hurt anybody right? These things man. They were coming at her. It was crazy. They had like levitation powers They had these different colored lights that would do different things when they would try to get her I mean, she was completely by herself
Neo (19:48)
Yeah, sure. The big eyed, big headed, yeah.
Hmm.
Why were they trying to get her then? Is that another
Android (20:06)
I can't tell you that you have to watch the movie.
Neo (20:10)
plan by the aliens to go find some single lady in the middle of the woods?
Android (20:11)
Yeah, they were wanting to get her
to go with them for some reason. They were trying to abduct her and they were doing everything, but she was fighting them. I mean, fighting back against them. But then you find out the reason why they left her and the reason why they were looking for her.
Neo (20:22)
My prediction?
Android (20:28)
You find all that out.
Neo (20:30)
Okay, this is called No One Will Save You. Okay. On Hulu.
Android (20:32)
No one will save you. Yeah.
On Hulu, Disney Plus. Entertaining. Very entertaining. So, and it's rated PG-13, so the kids can watch.
Neo (20:38)
All right.
Is that all your alien news and entertainment you have for us? That's it? Well, I think that was great. And I think now that we're caught up on the latest headlines from the cosmic rumor mill of Andrew,
Android (20:44)
That's all I got for you today. Yeah.
Neo (20:53)
it's time to dive into our featured story. And just a quick reminder to our listeners, this is how it works. I tell the full story of a reported alien phenomenon exactly as it was documented, with a little few embellishments just for storytelling purposes.
Android (20:56)
Woo!
Neo (21:08)
And then Andrew and I will break it down and decide if we think it's a mostly true alien story or if there's a little too much, know, creative
by the
person who experienced this.
Okay, so let's get into the Carl Higdon abduction. It's a hunting trip to another world. It was October 25th, 1974 in Medicine Bow National Forest in Wyoming.
Carl Higdon, he was a man who knew his way around the wild. So he's a man of man. He's at 41 years old. He had spent his life working in the Wyoming oil fields, sort of like land man. He's a tough, no-nonsense guy who loved nothing more than escaping into the vast Medicine Bow National Forest for a quiet day of hunting. That's what he does. On this particular autumn afternoon, the crisp air smelled of pine, the forest was still, and he was...
All alone, or so he thought.
What started as a simple hunting trip quickly spiraled into one of the most bizarre alien abduction cases ever recorded. One that left Higdon speechless, disoriented, and missing time.
It was mid afternoon, Andrew, when Higdon parked his truck near a remote clearing. He slung his brand new 243 Magnum rifle over his shoulder and he set off on foot in search of elk. He was hunting
He was well-prepared. His rifle loaded, pockets full of ammunition, the routine of a seasoned, seasoned hunter as Higdon was. And after some time he came upon a group of five
specifically five elk standing in the open.
and an unusual sight since elk are normally skittish, right? So that's, they're usually just takeoff. But these elk, didn't move. They stood completely still as if frozen in time. So Higdon, the hunter that he is, took aim at the largest elk, because why not shoot the largest elk, and steadying his rifle and he pulls the trigger. And that's when sort of reality shattered for him.
Android (22:49)
Yeah, they're not. Yeah.
Neo (23:12)
Instead of a powerful crack of a rifle shot, the bullet left the barrel
in slow motion
and it floated forward at an impossible speed
very slowly before dropping straight to the ground as if it had hit an invisible wall.
Android (23:31)
Could it have been the elk that used telepathic powers to stop the bullet? He was like the Neo Matrix things where he was like, okay, sorry.
Neo (23:34)
And the elk was like, don't shoot me.
Yeah. The elk,
the elk was, he was saying, I'm not an elk. Don't shoot.
Android (23:45)
Please don't kill me.
Neo (23:47)
Higdon watched the bullet roll to a stop in the dirt. So there he goes, he shoots it, it went out in slow mo, everything slowed down, it just seemingly stopped and just dropped to the ground the
elk didn't move, nobody ran. all of a sudden, he felt a strange Higdon felt a strange presence behind him. And then I force like nothing he had ever experienced.
Android (24:07)
tap a tap on his shoulder.
Excuse me, you're trying to shoot my elk friend. I'm sorry.
Neo (24:10)
No.
Do not shoot my elk friends. These are my friends.
could react, a beam of gelatinous light shot toward him. It hit him in the chest and he froze in place. He was paralyzed, His limbs refused to move, so his mind was racing now, and then he sees just standing a few feet away was a being
unlike anything he had ever seen.
I love when they say that.
Android (24:39)
Everything, why is it like, it's like I've never seen
1974.
Neo (24:42)
If it's the first time
you've seen
would be unlike anything you've ever seen. Yeah. I don't know what I don't understand that description.
Android (24:45)
anything you've ever seen before.
Neo (24:51)
so what he had seen
was this alien by the name of also one he was described as a humanoid figure standing approximately six feet tall
the bean had a square shaped head with small deep set eyes and a slit like mouth that lacked lips. And notably, also one's head featured stiff bristle like hair standing upright. And the bean's chin blended seamlessly into its neck and it lacked visible ears. And additionally, also one's right hand
resembled a drill-like appendage.
Android (25:27)
probing time!
Neo (25:28)
He now also he also wore a black form-fitting one-piece suit similar to a wetsuit. Sounds like a Saturday night, baby.
Android (25:37)
Sounds like an S dream. I got my drill bit.
Neo (25:39)
Yeah, the suit was adorned.
The suit was adorned with a metallic belt featuring a prominent yellow six pointed star. And then this, you know, ensemble to Higdon contributed to the being's distinctive appearance. Now there has been drawings done of it and renderings and things of this that are out there based off of his description. Higdon's description. Now during the encounter,
Also one inquired if Higdon was hungry.
Android (26:11)
I'm of course I'm trying to kill this elf, come starve it.
Neo (26:14)
It's just a weird question to ask though. why? are you? Yeah, are you? Hi, I'm an alien from another planet. Are you hungry?
Android (26:16)
Are you hungry?
Hello, my name is R01. I was just passing by and wondering, would you like a mint?
Neo (26:26)
You like spearmint or peppermint?
Android (26:28)
It's A-It's
Neo (26:30)
anyway, he asked if he was hungry.
Higdon could respond, the bean sent a small clear cellophane package containing four pills toward him floated floated it towards him. It was in cellophane.
Android (26:44)
We're gonna get messed up. Take one.
Neo (26:47)
What's funny to me is with he has a baggie they have baggies aliens have baggies and cellophane saran wrap Wrap it up mom. Can you wrap up these four pills? I'm going to earth
Android (26:49)
He has a bag with cellophane. Yeah. Yeah. That's how they carry their cocaine around. It was cocaine.
see Ozo two and three. They'll give you a bag. I gave them bags yesterday. Now leave me alone. I'm busy. I'm watching, it's 1974. I'm watching Bonanza.
Neo (27:06)
You and your bags.
So they floated he floated these pills towards him in this thing. It was like four of them. And he indicated also indicated that consuming one pill would sustain Higdon for an entire day. And now says he trusted the beam. So he ingested a pill and immediately felt satiated satiated.
Android (27:23)
Dang.
How did he ingest it? Did they give him water too or he just swallowed it dry? he's bit it and swallowed it. Okay, he's right.
Neo (27:35)
No, he's just bit it, just bit it and swallowed it. He's a hunter. He's a hunter. Men,
men just swallow pills without water. Real hunters. You should know this. You should know. Yeah.
Android (27:42)
Okay, I didn't know that. I need to research that.
Neo (27:45)
Higdon now he realizes he's just staring at an alien. He's in an alien situation, right? So now now also the when he spoke to him, he spoke to him telepathically. That's how we told him his name.
he then says to, according to Higdon, he says, Do you want to come with me? But he it wasn't like he was asking Hig and Higdon for permission. He just simply told him. But he said it like as a question, Do you want to come with me? And before Higdon could even consider this or answer it, he felt himself being pulled forward.
and the forest around him just sort of blurted and suddenly he was no longer standing in Wyoming.
He's now inside this spacecraft. this wasn't like a Hollywood style UFO. Everything was, everything around him was sort of transparent. It's as if the walls and floor weren't really there. And he could see the stars outside, the vast emptiness of space stretching out in all directions. And then he, then he noticed something even more disturbing. He wasn't alone on this ship.
Android (28:34)
more.
Neo (28:48)
on this transparent cube of a
There were five other humans were inside the ship, floating in suspended animation, completely motionless, and their faces were frozen in this expression of terror. Yeah, like that. Yeah, that's it. Let me see it again. Uh-huh. That's your terror face? I think my terror face would be like.
Android (29:11)
no, it's not a terror, it's like something just crawled out of you.
Neo (29:14)
Well, let me see yours again.
Ha
Android (29:20)
That would be a terror face. That's not the face I would make for them. For them I would just go...
Neo (29:26)
just like that. Well, there was also besides the frozen in terror family on the ship, there was two other alien being alien beings.
Android (29:26)
Just like that, yeah.
Just like Arzo 1? Was it Arzo 2 and 3?
Neo (29:40)
Might have been Ozzo's brothers, maybe his family's brothers, maybe his gang. Maybe his gang.
Android (29:45)
And they're wet and they're scuba suits.
Neo (29:47)
That's right. They were present and
also the five elk were in there as well. So they also just took everybody that was in that scene on a trip.
Android (29:53)
it's a petting zoo. It was a petting zoo.
Wow.
Interesting. They're dangerous with...
Neo (30:01)
took the elk.
He took the frozen in terror family and he brought along two alien beings with him.
Android (30:07)
Okay, in their gelatinous in their transparent cube ship flying. Okay.
Neo (30:12)
Yes, that's
right. That's right
so the ship is moving along, right? And they go, they're going somewhere. So Higdon described that this feeling of weightless, as if the ship was moving, let's just want to talk about how the ship was moving, because he said it was moving at these impossible speeds. And then moments later, they arrived at a strange planet. So they literally left Earth, went to this strange planet. he said it was barren.
Android (30:16)
Right?
Right.
cool.
Neo (30:40)
and lifeless, but it had these tall towering buildings in the distance.
Android (30:45)
Cool.
Neo (30:46)
Yeah, and upon arrival at the alien planet, Hagen observed
Android (30:48)
Mm-hmm.
Neo (30:50)
five human like
middle aged man, a young girl, two teenage girls and a teenage boy. And they were standing around and conversing near a tower with a flashing light.
Android (31:03)
Wow. Okay.
Neo (31:04)
I don't know if that's
the same family, terror frozen in terror family, but that was on the ship. But he saw this middle-aged man, a young girl, two teenage girls and a teenage boy. They were just talking in front of this.
Android (31:17)
Wait, and they were like,
so what do you guys think? they were like, right. Okay. With their no necks.
Neo (31:20)
Yeah, they're like, yeah. And one's looking on their
phone, scrolling through TikTok.
Android (31:26)
like, really? This is stupid. Take me home.
Neo (31:29)
Jesus. What'd say his name was? Asshole?
Android (31:33)
all one come over here I got something to tell you very upset
Neo (31:37)
right. So here's Higdon in this, you know, new planet, strange planet, he's, you know, still on the ship, I believe, I don't know if they exit, it's not very clear. But anyway, but also, one never fully explained where they were, only that this was their home and that they were studying humans.
Android (31:53)
Right.
Hmm.
Neo (31:55)
So told them all of Higdon was then taken into a strange examination room, though no medical tests were performed. Instead, the aliens studied him carefully, as if they were deciding whether or not he was worth keeping. This is what Higdon said. Yeah. And then just as suddenly as it all began, it was over. Higdon blacks out.
Android (32:11)
Damn.
Neo (32:19)
And when he woke up, he was back in Medicine Bow National Forest standing exactly where he had started.
His rifle and gear were missing, his truck had somehow been moved over three miles away
and was stuck in a ditch as if it had been dropped from above.
So disoriented, confused, and missing several hours of time, he stumbles through the woods until he was found by a search
When they took him to the hospital, doctors noted something
Higdon, who had suffered tuberculosis scars in his lungs for years, was now completely healed.
That's what also was up
after his reported abduction, which was in 1974 in October, he underwent both psychological evaluations and investigative scrutiny to assess the credibility of his experience.
delve deeper into his experience, Higdon sought assistance from a Dr. R. Leo Sprinkle, a psychologist at the university of Wyoming, renowned for his work with individuals reporting UFO encounters. Dr. Sprinkle. I think I would change that name. Dr. Sprinkle, please report to the emergency room. Dr. Sprinkle.
Android (33:24)
Paging Dr.
Sprinkle. Dr. Sprinkle, please come to the operating room for a cupcake abduction.
Neo (33:29)
you
Yeah, as sprinkle sprinkle is renowned for helping people with UFO encounters. Yeah, he conducted hypnotic regression sessions with Higdon to recover detailed memories of the event, though, through these sessions, Higdon recounted vivid details of his alleged abduction, including descriptions of the alien being also one
Android (33:37)
that's awesome. Yeah.
Neo (33:54)
and the spacecraft.
Dr. Sprinkle noted that Higdon exhibited typical signs associated with abduction experiences such as missing time and memory loss.
Dr. Sprinkle did not find any indications of mental instability or deceit in Higdon's accounts, according to this report. was an investigation. It attracted attention from various groups, law enforcement,
The local authorities in there near the park, including the Carbon County Sheriff's Office were involved in the initial response. found Higdon disoriented and his truck inexplicably stuck in a remote area,
from its original location. These perplexing circumstances added a layer of mystery to his claims. To assess the veracity of his statements, Higdon underwent a polygraph test and the results indicated no signs of deception.
suggesting he genuinely believed in the truth of his experience. And then investigators examined Higdon's rifle,
noting that the bullet he fired had inexplicably flattened
and lacked rifling marks, an anomaly difficult to explain by conventional
Additionally, Higdon, who previously had visible scars from a lung condition, was found to be inexplicably healed upon medical examination.
So no conclusive evidence was found to either substantiate or debunk Higgins account. Although I don't know if I think you there's some substantiation happening there with, with what they did reveal with the lie detector test and the, finding of the bullet and those things is all kind of weird stuff, but we'll get into that. so anyway, he would go on to tell his story for decades. He never once.
changed any details. He didn't want fame. didn't write a
don't think he made any money on
just had always looked for answers. I think today he would be 91. He died,
Android (35:43)
Yeah, he did. He died.
He died in 2019 or 2020. He died of COVID, actually. He died of COVID. Yeah, COVID pneumonia.
Neo (35:48)
you during COVID. Yeah, COVID. Yeah, that's
right.
And there you have it. It's the story of Carl Higdon and the collarbone less alien with a floating cube. so he was hunting. He was a hunting elk. He was taken by Ausso one, to another planet with the frozen in terror family. And, they just returned them as if they didn't need him. So it has all the ingredients for classic abduction story. You got the missing time, the weird technology, a strangely specific named alien.
Android (35:56)
huh.
Also won. Also won.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Neo (36:20)
So,
what do you guys think? But before we get to you guys, let's see what Andrew has to think if this is a mostly true alien story.
Android (36:25)
It's mine.
It's my turn. Okay, so let's give a little bit more on the time. He was abducted around 4 p.m. in the afternoon, and then he was returned around 6 30 p.m., but wasn't found by the search party until 11 40 p.m. So there's a lot of time that's happened during this. Yeah, yeah, so apparently he didn't remember
Neo (36:30)
Go ahead, what do you got?
It may have been disoriented for a while, wandering.
Android (36:54)
anything. Like he was didn't remember how to drive. He didn't remember anything. let's get didn't even know how to drive. They had to come find him. So we're gonna get to that. We're gonna get to that. So when you were talking about the alien asking if he was hungry, it's pretty funny because he did float those four pills over to him. And according to the story, Higdon said that he took the pill, didn't want to swallow it.
Neo (37:00)
He didn't even know how to drive?
Hmm. Yeah.
According to the story.
Android (37:21)
This isn't another story. He didn't want to take it, but felt like he was being forced to take it, so he did. And then also one said, this is going to sustain you. And then he felt, I feel full. It's like I ate a steak. Right?
Neo (37:25)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Probably
prepping him for the travel.
Android (37:35)
Yes, that's what I was going to think. Azo-1 also told him
they were going to fly 163,000 light miles away.
Not light years, light miles away, which is, don't know. Don't know, that's what, I guess it's light years, but they call it light miles. They also put a helmet on him for the travel.
Neo (37:47)
What are the, what are, what does that, what does that translate to?
Android (37:57)
They put a metal helmet on him that had like these wires and stuff coming out and they put him in the recliner but they strapped him in so that he wouldn't flail around while they were flying which I found fascinating.
Neo (38:06)
Yeah, a light mile is not
a standard unit, but it essentially refers to the distance that light travels in one mile of time, which is roughly equivalent to the time it takes light to travel one mile at its constant speed of 186,000 miles per second.
it's a way to describe a very small distance using the speed of light as a reference point. So,
What is, how many light miles to do?
Android (38:36)
163,000 light miles.
You're looking it up, I can tell.
Neo (38:40)
163,000 light miles is okay but a distance of 163,000 times the distance light travels in one
is essentially the distance to
cloud, a satellite galaxy of the Milky
It's often stated to be around 163,000 light years away.
So they went to the large Magellanic Cloud in the Milky Way.
Android (39:00)
to this galaxy, right?
Okay, cool. That's where their planet was. So he went to their planet. When he saw the tower, the bright lights, he saw the people talking to them. When they brought him into the room, this is kind of sad, they lowered that, they did the exam on him, right? And it was a four by eight sheet that lowered down in front of him. It was there for a couple seconds and went back up. So they scanned him.
Then one of the other guys, not also one, but one of the other aliens said to him that was on the trip with them said, you're not what we want. We're gonna take you back.
Neo (39:26)
Okay.
that was on the trip with them.
Right. He felt that he felt that he felt like he wasn't.
Android (39:39)
That was sad though. You're not
worthy to be with us. Now, now Higdon...
Neo (39:42)
Well, I don't wouldn't
look at it as sad. I look at it as a positive thing. Because what
Android (39:47)
So Higdon
later said that the reason why he thinks they said that was because he had had a vasectomy.
Neo (39:53)
Interesting.
So they wanted to
They were looking for a manly man hunter hunting elk in the woods. And they thought, you know, we're going to find him an elk hunter and we're going to bring him back here and he's going to breed.
Android (39:59)
Yeah.
Neo (40:06)
You think though, with all the technology that they'd be able to pick, figure that out first, Hey, before we take him 163,000 light miles to our Milky way galaxy, why don't we just check to see if he had a vasectomy first? Yeah. mean,
Android (40:20)
Yeah, no, I gotcha. I thought they were gonna use that hand thing, but they didn't. Yeah, the drill hand. And the other hand had nothing. There was no hand, just a wrist on one arm and then the probe hand on the other arm. Now here's what's in the photo. No, in the photo, yeah, the photo, they have the photo of him. Okay, so also one came back and had a conversation with Higdon.
Neo (40:25)
the drill hand? Yeah.
You saw that in a report? In a photo? Yeah, yeah.
Wait, when? After?
Android (40:46)
After the exam after they said you're not worthy. We're taking you back. Other one was like, hey man. Yeah, yeah this yeah and he's like look, let me tell you what's going on right? So he explained the pills. He explained the pills he also one told him that they've been coming to Earth because.
Neo (40:49)
so he came down, sat down with him like a doctor and held his hand. Listen, I want to break this to you. Yeah.
Alright, what are they? The four pills
that he floated to them, him, before they took off in the trip. He only took
Android (41:04)
Right, but he only took one.
Azurwan explained to him that they've been coming to Earth for many, many, many years, hunting fish, gathering fish and animals to feed their people because their planet is
And in one pill, they can sustain one of the aliens for four days. They take one pill, they're full for four days. It's like, remember Dexatrim? Remember Dexatrim, the...
Neo (41:30)
here.
Android (41:31)
So it's like Dexatrim, right? It was a speed that you took that didn't make you hungry. Fantastic. Great way to lose weight.
Neo (41:33)
Right.
Yeah. Well, he didn't feel
anything else though. He didn't feel high or elated, right? It was just, well, yeah. Yeah.
Android (41:41)
No, no, just full, just full. feel like, oh man.
The other thing that also once said. He ex.
Neo (41:48)
Those pills would be
perfect for those survivor shows. You know, the alone.
Android (41:51)
He
examined the rifle, Higdon's rifle, and he said, I would like the OZ-01.
Neo (41:56)
Who did?
Are you? Well, he examined his rifle. Okay.
Android (42:00)
He examined his rifle and he said, I would like to keep this, but I can't. I'm not allowed to. I guess because he'd go on a shooting spree. This is what Higdon said. OK, now, all this stuff kind of came out during Dr. Leo Sprinkle's. Dr. Sprinkle was at, he worked for the University of Wyoming where he specialized in UFO abductions and talking to people.
Neo (42:09)
This is what Higdon said.
Dr. Sprinkle, Dr. Sprinkle.
Android (42:26)
Now here's what Sprinkle said. He said, what's interesting is that, yeah, okay.
Neo (42:30)
Wait, can we stop? We'll stop for a second.
In 1974, why would there be a doctor that specialized in UFO abductions? Why was that a thing that it's a person would choose that to be their primary focus at that time? Today?
Android (42:47)
I think this guy did
like paranormal stuff and UFOs and cryptoids.
Neo (42:52)
But it was 74.
mean, the hot, the hot time for all of this stuff was really in the mid nineties. 74. These are new stories. This is like, you know, reportings that were happening that aren't explained. Yes. But how would he build a business?
Android (42:58)
They were ahead of it times.
But organizations like MUFON have been around since 1969. It's 1974, they were just getting into it. Maybe he's a member of MUFON, I don't know. He could be. Yeah, okay.
Neo (43:09)
69 yeah Yeah, we have to look into that anyway, sorry
sorry so back doctor sprinkle said what
Android (43:22)
Dr. Sprinkel said that he wasn't really sure if knew that Higdon believed what he saw, but he wasn't, yeah, he wasn't sure because.
Neo (43:30)
That's why it was phrased that way. He, came to the conclusion. They
believed he, he believed that he believed what he saw.
Android (43:37)
Yeah, and so he said that he has a hard time believing that these aliens would travel thousands of light years just to grab elk for like I found that fascinating the other thing he did he looked at was the alien that Higdon it looked like an Andorian from Star Trek. I don't know if you remember the Andorians
They had kind of like a light blue face with white hair and they had two antennas. Okay. He said that that's, what he got from the drawing that it was Andorian. Now here's something else that's
Neo (44:02)
I do remember them, yeah. That's interesting.
Android (44:11)
Two weeks prior to the abduction, Higdon had a conversation with his wife and he called UFO.
Neo (44:19)
She didn't want
to go hunting.
Android (44:22)
No, because he she knew what was going to happen.
Because Higdon had his alien wife. Sad. No, said that two weeks prior that Karl had said that if a euphonaut, that's what he called the alien beings, euphonaut, he was fascinated with UFOs, he said if a euphonaut asked
Neo (44:38)
He was.
Android (44:40)
to come with him or was forcing him, he would do nothing and just go with them. He wouldn't fight back. So he had already made up his mind that, man, if I get abducted,
I'm just gonna go. I'm not gonna be like, no, no.
Neo (44:51)
He had an inclination. He had this
fantasy inclination already worked up in his head.
Android (44:56)
In his head,
And then here's another, this is weird though, in the same Medicine Bow National Forest,
there were two missing persons that happened later on. A gentleman by the name of Charles Gustafson, 72 years old, went missing on October 10th, 2006. They never found him.
Neo (45:16)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Mm.
Wait, what's that have to do with Higdon?
Android (45:21)
They think he was
the thought process is that he had been abducted. They took him. He didn't have a vasectomy.
Neo (45:22)
Hold it. I thought they gonna,
So let's go back to the story of Higdon and all of this information that you're sharing. It's it's it's it's I love the I love all the little details that you filled in here. do you think? Do you think this is a mostly true alien story or not?
Android (45:38)
No,
no, I think he took some bad Quaaludes or something went up there and shit his pants and decided to wander out. who knows if his tuberculosis scars disappeared on their own? They could have, maybe his body healed. I don't think it had anything to do with the aliens. I find it fascinating that he described perfectly like an Andorian. And then he told his wife weeks before he's abducted that if they took him, he's just gonna go.
Neo (46:04)
Okay, so Andrew, you think this is not mostly true alien story. Okay. All right. Well, that's great. Great information. And, I'm going to be interested to see what our audience thinks of this story, but it's my turn now. So let me weigh in. here's where, and you just said it.
Android (46:06)
No, he made it up. No, no, also one, come on.
Neo (46:23)
Here's where I struggle, with whether this is true or not.
fact that his scars were healed to me in 74, that is a huge breakthrough. I think that is something that you can't dismiss that easily.
Android (46:39)
Did they have got the wrong x-ray?
Neo (46:41)
Well, that's the thing we how do we confirm the validity of that even being the tuberculosis scars ever actually existing or that he had tuberculosis? You know, how are we supposed to do that? But if we if we if we don't speculate, let's just say that's the truth. Why would he lie about it?
Android (46:59)
Okay.
Neo (47:00)
me, they healed somehow. So there there's something to it. Now, now you go back to also one in the way he looked.
Roddenberry, my opinion, Star Trek creator.
to me is a futurist. He's an can't put it past someone like this guy to create a series like this and
know the truth about
Android (47:19)
Right, right.
Neo (47:21)
this type of fantasy that is actually true. There may be, and I sound weird right now and bizarre about it and woo woo, but I don't, you know, there could have been, there could have been truth in some of these aliens that he was creating in a sense, right? We don't know that either. So I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna poo poo on the whole similar looking alien.
type thing in I think in 74 that is such
of an alien than the grays that were typically being reported at that time
if Higdon were to make this story up why would he say they took the elk that that's a detail that would why would you add that detail
To me is it's not something you would think to do
it doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense. to you but no, mean, I don't know why the aliens would take it and then
Android (48:10)
They got ticket for food.
Do know how many
pills you could get out of one elk?
Neo (48:18)
true.
Android (48:18)
And that
one pill can feed those people for four days, just one pill. Four pills feeds them for 16 days.
Neo (48:24)
Wait a minute. You're saying that they were taking the elk because they made the pills out of the elk?
Android (48:28)
Yeah, they were there. That's what Ozo-1 told them, that they would take fish and animals from Earth to feed their people, because their lakes and stuff were dying.
Neo (48:38)
No, no, no.
So I didn't, I didn't take that line as to understand that they were taking this stuff to create the food. I thought they were doing it at they were coming down and taking the fish and the stuff to feed their people. And then they created these pills. That's how I understood this. Then they created these pills to help.
Android (48:43)
Yeah, they were taking the elks to eat them.
They make the animals,
they make the pills from the animals. Food. Food. Mongo need food.
Neo (49:00)
that wasn't very clear to me. Yeah, but still, that's it. Still, that's
a fantastical story that I don't think Higdon the hunter was capable of thinking and making that up. That's all. I think that that that that that is such a this guy was in the wrong line of work. Instead of being a hunter, he should have been writing stories. Yeah, I mean, this is this is what my point
Android (49:12)
capable of making up anything.
have been science fiction stories. The other
thing too is you know his wife wrote a book about it about his abduction.
Neo (49:28)
I definitely want to check it out. Here's and then here's the here's the last part you for me is the Visek the whole vasectomy thing makes sense to where they wouldn't want him but you know that that to me though also should have known. Yeah.
Android (49:30)
It's on Amazon, by the way.
He had tuberculosis. I mean, why would they want him?
He had tuberculosis. If they could cure his tuberculosis, couldn't they reverse his vasectomy?
Neo (49:49)
But what is the what is what is it? Let's go. They took them all the way up. Right. They couldn't untie his tubes.
Android (49:49)
Come on, come on.
Neo (49:56)
They couldn't untie his tubes.
Android (49:58)
with that thing?
Neo (50:00)
with that sheet that finger claw thing they got.
Android (50:03)
It was like a tube hand?
Neo (50:05)
I mean, you bring up a good point, but I think that maybe Higdon was so hurt that they didn't take him out. You thought about this afterwards that he didn't take him that he just blamed his vasectomy. No, that he blamed his vasectomy.
Android (50:13)
He got so mad so he made up all this stuff.
I told you Margaret! Damn it!
Neo (50:20)
Damn
it. They wanted me and you made me get a vasectomy.
Android (50:23)
Yeah.
Who was getting vasectomies in the 70s though?
Neo (50:28)
Yeah, I don't know the medical history of that, that's a Dr. Sprinkle question.
Android (50:33)
Hello,
Neal, it's Dr. Sprinkles. You asked me to come in.
Neo (50:37)
Yeah,
yeah. Dr. Springle was the likelihood of people getting vasectomies back in 1974.
Android (50:42)
Back in 1974, the probability of a man in his early 40s not looking to have any more children receiving a vasectomy was one out of every eight
Neo (50:52)
One out of every eight men got a vasectomy. How many hunters got vasectomies?
Android (50:54)
Yes, yes.
Mostly those men were hunters. Because they were hunters and so aggressive looking to go out into the world, they actually did that. Yes, yes, yes.
Neo (50:59)
Interesting.
This is
an interesting, interesting stat. I didn't realize it was mostly hunters.
Android (51:10)
One in eight, one
Neal, is it? Thank you, Neal.
I will head back to the university now. Hopefully there'll be another abduction happening or possibly a vasectomy.
Neo (51:13)
Yes.
you're apparently very good at the vasectomies because the aliens couldn't untie them.
Android (51:23)
Well, that's what they call me. Snip-nip-leo.
Neo (51:25)
Leo
Sniff Nipple-io.
All right, so getting back to my
other questionable thing for me. It throws a little doubt at in my direction is the truck.
I don't understand the whole truck. Why would the aliens take the truck and move it and drop it in a ditch somewhere? That to me that didn't happen. I think I think Higdon. Look, the other scenario side of this would be the Higdon got got into a fight with his wife. She didn't want him to go hunting on that day. And he lied and he went hunting.
Android (51:51)
Maybe the...
Neo (52:03)
And then he had to explain his whereabouts probably maybe had to say, come up with some sort of fantastical story. And he crashed the truck. So he crashed the truck on his way to go hunting. That's why he has going to have to come up with some story because he's going to have to explain this. Right. And, and then that, that all went down. So he just went hunting from whatever time it was for those four or five hours he crashed the truck.
And then he just said, well, I can't go home because I'll get in trouble. So I will just say I'm disoriented. We'll get somebody who finds somebody to get me help. And then, you know, I'll put my gun over here and I'll, you know, smash a bullet and put it down here. And, and, you know, it went through a lot. And then, but not only that, then he came up with this whole cube thing without so one and the Elks and the frozen in terror family and the planet.
Android (52:46)
He went through a lot just to go hunting.
Neo (52:58)
all of the isolation.
Android (52:59)
Well, I can tell you
with what I read, it worked because his wife totally believed him and wrote a book about it.
Neo (53:04)
Well, there go. mean, he saved his marriage just from this one incident, which I got to hand it to Higdon. But anyway, so if I weigh all this out and I lean towards the side of him making it up or actually happening, I lean towards it actually happened. And I again, though, the only thing that I also struggle with and I always do in every one of our stories that we're telling is what are the aliens gaining?
by finding this lone hunter in the fucking woods in Wyoming and you know, in this park. don't know what they're gaining.
Android (53:36)
So you're saying this is mostly true.
Neo (53:38)
yes, that aside, my complaint aside, I'm saying that this is a mostly true alien story.
Android (53:44)
debunked your whole theory and now you're like, it's true. But are you saying the mostly true part is that he disappeared for those hours or the mostly true part is that he actually saw an alien?
Neo (53:52)
the mostly true part is that he was, he was abducted by an alien.
Android (53:55)
Ow.
Neo (53:57)
I mean, because he can't, who makes up elks in a cube and the family? Why was he so specific with the father and the teenage girls and then the young girl and then the teenage son?
Android (54:09)
Because
he had kids himself, he's probably describing his family.
Neo (54:12)
No, I don't think so. I don't think so. And very specific about the pill and it floating over there's four of them. You only take one and they're taking the five Elks.
Android (54:19)
In a cellophane pack, right?
That also his mom gave him that he had to get from his brothers.
Neo (54:23)
Asso. Asso's the one who got in trouble when he got home. You brought home a guy who had a vasectomy?
Android (54:27)
How are you giving?
And you gave him one of our pills? Do you know how precious those are?
Neo (54:33)
What the
fuck go to your room also Yeah, so I just I think this is a mostly true alien story and I'm sticking to it. I think that's what happened. I mean, yes my other scenario that I explained happened maybe could have happened they got in a fight that whole thing, but Yeah, but there was that he passed the lie detector test. He really I mean, on. He's not just gonna do that
Android (54:50)
It makes so much sense. And the fact...
Neo (54:57)
and his scars were healed. I'm sticking to that this is a mostly true alien story and I'm looking forward to our listeners. I would love your comments and what you guys think of this as a mostly true alien story. Well, that's it. Andrew, that's
Android (54:57)
Euphonauts. The euphonauts.
Please comment. Yes.
Neo (55:14)
episode of Mostly True Alien Stories. Let's make sure everybody you follow, you subscribe and you tune in next week for another deep dive into this world of aliens that we love so much.
Android (55:18)
Yeah.
And
before we go, I'd like to personally thank Dr. Leo Sprinkle for being a guest on the show today, which was, yeah, I didn't even know he was gonna be here.
Neo (55:27)
Yeah, that was a surprise guest.
Yeah, Dr. Leo Sprinkle. Well, maybe we can get him back sometime. That'd be great. Yeah, until then, until then, Andrew, keep watching the skies and maybe avoid those hunting trips in Wyoming. Right? All right. Nice job. All right,
Android (55:35)
think so.
Right. All right. See you. Thanks. Bye.