Android (00:00)
Ladies and gentlemen, I'm usually joined by my host, Neil, but apparently he has been abducted. The aliens should release him soon
to the fact that we are the number one watch show by aliens. And, he's back. Neil, can you hear me?
Neil,
Neo (00:13)
Sorry,
I don't know where I went,
Android (00:15)
I was starting the show and I looked up and you were gone
you dreamt it was going to be? Yeah.
Neo (00:19)
It was an alien experience. Definitely an alien
Android (00:22)
was there probing involved?
Neo (00:22)
Yeah, very...
A lot of
A lot of
I just want to get the show started. So welcome to another episode of Mostly True Alien Stories.
Welcome back to a another episode of mostly true alien stories. This is the podcast where we dig into some of the wildest alien encounters that are ever reported. And we asked that big question always Andrew, is it mostly true or not? And, this is my cohost, Andrew Triana. Hi, Andrew.
Android (01:08)
Hey,
Neil, what's happening? What's going down, Oh, it's a pleasure to see you. I feel like I haven't seen you for...
Neo (01:11)
It's good to see you, buddy.
Android (01:16)
days. He has been two days. Right? So it's like, yeah, it's good. It feels like a long time. It really does feel like a long time.
Neo (01:17)
It's been two days, yeah. And we kind of talk every day.
Yeah. Yeah. I know. You know what?
But we like each other so much that we really
like we don't see each other when we don't talk. And we miss each other.
Android (01:31)
Yeah, but it's always
like we pick up where we left off. It's like
each other's
sentences. Yes, exactly.
Neo (01:36)
Sentence. Yeah, uh-huh.
know, each week on this show, we explore the most fascinating, bizarre and sometimes terrifying alien encounters. try to make it fun. they real? they just stories? What are they? We don't know. We're going to dive into that today's story, Andrew. It is an unsettling alien abduction case.
Android (01:49)
Yeah.
Neo (01:57)
called the buff ledge camp incident happened in Lake Champlain, Vermont, with two summer camp workers. They experienced missing time. was a telepathic communication and an encounter that
Android (02:01)
sounds like a cool place
Neo (02:09)
only years later, 10 years later, they, they weren't even in touch with each other And then they both tell the same story of this alien counter. So I'm excited.
about this one because it's different than what we've been telling because this isn't like, you know, incident happens and then they immediately report it and then investigation starts. This was 10 years later. Then they talk about it and they go into this whole regression, hypnotic regression,
therapy and it reveals a very, very eerie similar story as always, before we get to that,
we're going to get to Andrew.
with some of the latest updates in UFO news, alien news, and pop culture entertainment. Andrew, what do you have for us on this episode?
Android (02:49)
Well,
this came out a week ago. It happened in 2024. A US Air Force pilot said that he had a close encounter with a UFO. This was September of 2024, actually on September 17th. was flying in his plane. he was flying in a Beechcraft 350. Do know what that
Neo (03:09)
No, is that a one that lands in the water?
Android (03:11)
don't know if they land in the water or not, but the Beechcraft 350 is what they use to do So a lot of times they use it if they're trying to track drug dealers. only know this because of my days of breaking bad.
Neo (03:16)
right. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Okay.
Android (03:23)
not.
Neo (03:23)
They can fly lower.
Android (03:25)
Yeah, they
could fly lower under the radar or high above, but they're flying about 20,000 feet at this time. And he reported a football
sized
Neo (03:35)
an actual football? Like a soccer ball, but not a soccer ball, but a football. Yeah, got
Android (03:39)
But in American football, yes.
And this thing, dude, I saw the video, the recreated video of it, because they have no video of it, but they recreated a video of it and it flew right by the plane. I mean, amazing. So what we have is the audio recording, you know, and these guys are like, holy shit, that thing almost hit our wing. No, they didn't sound like that, but I just wanted to make it sound better. They said the call came.
Neo (04:03)
They're like, golly!
Android (04:05)
thing came by, blew by, almost took her wing
So the call was made around 2.30 PM, but the pilot tried to get a visually object but failed to do so. I've got my sensor.
Neo (04:11)
Okay.
Okay, so they didn't get the visual,
they had the audio, and it was just him and how, was there other pilots? There was...
Android (04:21)
Yeah, other
pilot and then air traffic control guy. He said, I've got my sensor operator looking for it on the camera right now. We'll see if we can find it. The pilot further described as a dark type object passing about 10 feet below the right wing of the craft. Just 40 seconds later, the plane's radar spotted an object about 60 miles away.
Neo (04:24)
Okay.
Android (04:47)
Note that is that thing moved in 60 miles in 40 seconds.
Neo (04:51)
Yeah, how fast and how fast are they going?
Android (04:53)
They're going pretty fast. So the the beach crafts
Neo (04:55)
You know what mean? I'm talking
about the physics of it. The plane is moving at a certain speed. This thing comes right up to it and then it's gone and it's 60 miles further than that.
Android (04:58)
Right.
Yep. Yep.
They're saying that that thing that appeared on the radar must have exceeded Mach 2 speeds within two minutes.
Neo (05:12)
Well, I mean that sounds fast. I have no idea what Mach 2 really means. I that's gotta be fast. Yeah.
Android (05:15)
Just trust it's fast. It's super fast. Now it's super
fast and it's faster than any drone they're saying. It's possible for any drone. Yeah.
Neo (05:23)
Well, that's what that was what my next question was going to be.
Like it could something that small. would think, okay, if it's a drone, they can make it pretty fast, but they're confirming that it couldn't be that fast.
Android (05:31)
Mach 2 is, yeah,
right. I mean, it's not light speed, but Mach 2 is pretty fast. It's claimed that the plane was likely, this plane was involved, they can't talk about the mission, but they were Department of Homeland Security. So they were flying at about an altitude of 20,000 feet is what they say these planes usually fly at. The air traffic controller reported the incident to the National UFO Reporting Center.
Neo (05:37)
Yeah, that's fast.
Android (05:56)
There has been some UFO reported here, but it's all taken care of now. So you don't have to worry about it. Hey guys, hey, remember that thing you saw? Forget it. It's taken care of. We got rid of it.
Neo (06:01)
So that's all they said, it's all taken care of.
you're like, okay, thanks.
Android (06:11)
Hey, thanks, I'm gonna get back to flying my mission. So the other thing that they said is that 20,000 feet is not too high for a drone. It's okay, a drone can fly at 20,000 feet, just to let you know. Yeah.
Neo (06:21)
Right, yeah we've discussed that before, we're saying anything
over that 27,000 mark I think, that's where it's higher for a drone. 30,000?
Android (06:31)
Well, you know, I have a drone
that can fly at 35,000 feet.
Neo (06:35)
That's right, we said 36,000 feet. Yeah, that's right. I'm recalling that. you got.
Android (06:37)
Right, right, hold on, hold on.
I just got a call. They just
updated my drone to fly to 39,000 feet.
Neo (06:46)
You
gotta... that gotta change all the laws and the rules now because of your drone.
Android (06:51)
My, yeah, well, you know, I work with... I can't say, I'm sorry. I wanna tell you so much.
Neo (06:56)
Is that is this another NDA?
Is this another NDA that you've signed? You keep signing NDAs left and right, which is
Android (07:00)
Yes.
I have a
stack
NDAs.
My basement is full of
Neo (07:09)
talking about NDAs in all
I've been reading the report, the, defense, report.
Android (07:15)
the UAAA arrow report yeah
Neo (07:17)
Yeah, the arrow arrow defense. Yeah,
report on on the their research into the
all of the UAPs and UFOs and all those since I think since 1941 and not to go down a rabbit hole here, but one of the comments I saw in there about the NDAs of these whistleblowers from the government that are saying that their lives are being threatened and that they, you know, they could get killed or executed or whatever it could be for revealing these things. it's false that they didn't, there are no NDAs that have indicated any of that. And
Android (07:42)
See? Yes?
Neo (07:52)
If there is anything within the NDA that says you could be executed, it's based on espionage. So if you're selling secrets of the government to another country, you could possibly be executed for that. So if there are any NDAs out there that are essentially, you know,
Android (08:09)
Hmm.
life-threatening,
they're not real.
Neo (08:13)
life threatening, it's leaning
towards that, but not anything about if you reveal this technology, tell anyone about it, your life is going to be in danger.
Android (08:22)
Wow. Well,
you know that,
In 1999 when the Star Wars Episode I came out, I was working for Hasbro at the time.
And basically that NDA said if I told anybody about any of the stuff that was going on behind the scenes, George Lucas would own my child.
Neo (08:38)
I mean a toy company to give you an NDA that's gonna... They threaten to kill you. I don't know if I want their toys.
Android (08:43)
No, they didn't threaten to kill me.
They just said that they would take my firstborn child and that they could sue me out the wazoo. Literally said, we can sue you out the wazoo.
Neo (08:49)
that's right, did have two kids, didn't
It says it'll sue you out the wazoo.
Android (08:55)
Yeah, it literally says we can sue you out the wazoo and George Lucas can take your first child.
Neo (09:01)
And they did, right? George Lucas did take your first child. You only have your one child now.
Android (09:02)
Yeah, I have no idea. We
have only one child. I only have one daughter now, yeah. I have no idea where the other child is.
Neo (09:10)
you out the wazoo is the funniest line ever that's in your NDA
Android (09:14)
It's my NDA. I'm going to find that NDA and I'm going to show it to you.
Neo (09:18)
Anyway, sorry, I didn't mean to get off track here,
guess we've seen some videos of small UFOs kind of what you're describing here the football size stuff.
Android (09:30)
Yeah, that seems
to be a very popular, that and egg shape. Egg shape, cigar shape, football shape. Those are the three ones that I've seen. that I know about. Not that I've seen.
Neo (09:36)
Yeah. Right. Yeah.
Yeah.
but did you get to hear the audio? What did they were?
Android (09:47)
Yeah, I got to hear the audio, dude. The guys, they're freaking out. They're like,
yeah, they're like, tower, we've got this, whoa! Something just flew under our wing. That's kind of like what it was. And they're like, see if we can track it. And then they're talking to the air traffic control guy and he's like, I got nothing here. Just, you know, we've already taken care of it. Don't worry about
Neo (09:57)
Yeah.
Yeah.
so weird that that's how they respond to the pilots. mean, you know, everybody wants to know a little bit more about, know, at least give me a little more. Yeah. We, we, don't know what it is either. Hey, we, we know exactly what this is and we've talked to you. Yeah. But why did they treat it like that? You know I mean? This is, this is what, this is what,
Android (10:22)
Nothing to see here.
Neo (10:29)
makes everything bigger, know, more mysterious
look further into it because they didn't really give you a resolution on what they saw.
Android (10:37)
Now what if, because you know the pilots have to be talking with headsets, right? What if they sent some sort of message into their headset?
Neo (10:41)
Yeah.
Android (10:46)
then they forget. And they're like, it's all taken care of. And they're like, thank you. Thanks for taking care of that.
Neo (10:50)
So you're like being serious
about it. Like it's just like taking away that time, that memory out of their innocence.
Android (10:55)
Yeah, possibly. I mean, they did it in Men
in
Neo (10:57)
yeah, we can fantasize about that. mean, I that's pretty, that's pretty cool to think that they could do that. That's not a bad, bad theory to kind of explore. It's not, it's not illogical.
Android (11:08)
Okay,
Neo (11:09)
always go back to this and I hate going back to it all the time. What is it that is? What is it that
Whatever that is that UFO that football size UFO is trying to find out or checking on or what were those guys? What were those guys doing?
Android (11:19)
They're just flying. They're just hanging out.
Notice it's not the UFO people that are trying to tell us you didn't see
It's our own people that are telling us you didn't see anything and being very convincing of it. Hey, don't worry about it.
Neo (11:29)
Yeah, right.
Android (11:32)
We took care of
Neo (11:33)
But what were the what were these pilots? What were they looking into? Again? Will you tell me again? What were they?
Android (11:37)
They're
trafficking. They're looking for drugs. These are usually looking for drug traffickers, these planes. Yeah, they have Air Force pilots looking for drug traffickers. Yep. Yep. The government's
Neo (11:43)
but this is Air Force pilots.
Really? Okay.
Did anything come of it other than the they just said we we we taking care of it.
Android (11:54)
No, just a video. Yeah,
yeah, just an audio. They took care of it. That was it. Done.
Neo (11:59)
All right. What else you
Android (12:00)
I got the Pentagon.
Neo (12:02)
I love Pentagon conversations.
Android (12:04)
What did the Pentagon reveal about a bizarre egg-shaped UFO case
this past Tuesday, February the 25th, February the 25th.
Neo (12:08)
this past Tuesday. Alright, so listener it is... There you go, okay.
Android (12:14)
Pentagon has officially launched an investigation into claims made by United States government contractor Jake Barber. We've heard that name several times before. Who alleges
He was involved in secret missions to recover alien technology. came forward in January and described piloting helicopters classified operations with an egg-shaped
Barber's report has now been added to 21 ongoing UAP, which is an unidentified anomalous phenomena, investigations being conducted by the Department of Defense.
His case joins a growing list of sightings under review by the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office, which you read their report, the
Neo (12:55)
Mm-hmm.
Android (12:56)
which recently disclosed receiving 757 UAP reports
May 2023, and June 2024. You know what that is, 757
a year.
Among these cases, 272 incidents occurred
2023, but have never been publicly acknowledged until now.
Neo (13:19)
as I'm reading this report they do they don't put anybody's names in there there's to protect their you know anonymity
Android (13:24)
Their identity, right.
Neo (13:25)
But you know exactly who they're referring to when they say this interview or this subject XYZ reported, you know, this was a, and then they go into, this was a very well organized report. And this is only volume one volume two is coming out, I think later, but volume
Android (13:30)
Right. Right.
Neo (13:41)
talks about this stuff about, and I'm going to use Barber's name exactly what you just told us. He said that he had done right. was moving technology.
Android (13:50)
Right, right.
Neo (13:52)
They
this is untrue unfounded and that there is in that I don't know if I'm understanding exactly the wording that they're saying in this report, but it basically says that the interviewee basically even admitted or signed a affidavit saying that it wasn't true. So I'm not sure what is happening here with this conversation.
Android (14:09)
Yeah.
Can I just close it with this? It's taken care of. Don't worry about
Neo (14:18)
That's all. That's what it's... It's taking.
Android (14:20)
That will be my line for everything. Is this a mostly
true alien story? Don't worry about it. It's taken care
Yeah. I mean, that's the thing.
Neo (14:25)
It's just taking care of.
Android (14:28)
so crazy. So article goes on to say,
Currently, our military personnel cannot submit reports directly. So the military can't report, can't give reports directly to the AARO, though their chain of command, while civilian pilots are instructed to notify air traffic control.
which then relays information to the Federal Aviation Administration.
like, hi, I just saw a UFO. It just flew by my plane. I'm sorry, sir. I can't talk to you about this. Can you report this to the Department of Defense? Thank you. Oh, hi, this is the Department of Defense. Yeah, a UFO. Oh, I'm sorry, sir. I'm going to stop you right there. Can you report this to us? Until they get to the last guy, the guy's like, yeah, tell me about the UFO. Well, yeah, it flew by me at supersonic speed. I mean, it was crazy. Don't worry about it.
Neo (15:00)
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, and he's talking to some guy in
the basement down and you know
Android (15:21)
the guy goes, don't worry about it. It's all taken care of.
Neo (15:23)
taking care
of you know why are the sightings often accompanied by these vague or conclusive statements from the government why why not just come out and go yes this guy lost his fucking mind you know we you know just
Android (15:27)
Uh-uh.
Right. Just
label people. Just label them. That guy is whacked out of his head. He doesn't know what he's talking
Neo (15:39)
Yeah. He's... Jesus.
Yeah, exactly. He's got Lego buildings in his office and he's got... Star Trek.
Android (15:44)
So.
He flies the ship around when nobody's looking. He plays the sound in his Star Trek underwear.
Neo (15:51)
in his underwear.
Okay, that's all
interesting, man. I you know, I actually love the conversation about the egg-shaped ship. I don't know. I think that technology has got to be badass if it really exists.
Android (16:03)
The egg-shaped ship with the little ship
with the little guy where he slept, they put him in that awful thing. That's horrible. How can they treat that guy? How do you think that alien feels?
Neo (16:07)
Yeah, yeah, I know.
Yeah, he's a loner.
Android (16:15)
He's like,
look, if I go on another mission, I need a better bed.
Neo (16:19)
them. Don't worry about it alien. It's all taken care of.
Android (16:21)
I'll take care of
Neo (16:22)
All right.
Android (16:22)
purple
it
Neo (16:23)
What else?
Android (16:23)
okay
this is good my celebrity breakout news
Neo (16:25)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Android (16:27)
Olivia Newton-John.
Neo (16:28)
Used to have her poster hanging up over my bed from Greece. Not on the ceiling. I wasn't allowed to put anything on the ceiling.
Android (16:31)
the ceiling?
Are you sure it wasn't on the ceiling? You're the one that I want. honey, you're the one.
Neo (16:39)
He
was so hot.
Android (16:42)
she was adorable. She was
so much more than hot. She was adorable. I loved her. okay. So
Neo (16:46)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so what is what is she got going on? What did she have going on?
Android (16:51)
Australian singer, Olivia Newton-John universally loved for her starring role in the musical film, Grease.
Grease.
Neo (16:58)
And if listeners, if you
haven't seen the poster of her in Greece and that black leather outfit, that's that is my core memory for me
Android (17:04)
That's Sandy.
Neo (17:09)
yes, of course. Xanadu. the best.
Android (17:08)
Did you ever see Xanadu? Xanadu!
So good. Okay. So she says that a shape-shifting UFO, she saw a shape-shifting UFO in 1974. She said she and her friend were riding in a car on a desolate road. Olivia suddenly had a weird sensation that something was nearby.
It was a prickly feeling rather than static electricity, she recalled.
She looked around and couldn't see anything. Then something she couldn't explain made her look up into the clear sky. I was stunned by what I saw, Olivia said. The object seemed fairly small at first, but increased in size with amazing speed. It was brilliant silver, yet seemed occasionally to glow with a halo of different
It moved at a terrific pace and seemed to change direction very
It would hover motionless for a while, like a bright star, before moving across the sky
The shape changed as I watched. First it was triangular, then it changed into a ball. Before her highly unusual encounter, Olivia didn't believe in UFOs, but she does
only regret is that someone else didn't come along to share the experience with us.
Neo (18:24)
Hmm. Yeah, it's really cool. What year was that?
Android (18:25)
kind of cool.
1974.
Neo (18:29)
know, it's funny when celebrities say that they saw UFOs and stuff. always, it's always based on like who the celebrity is, whether I believe it or not, or whether they were on something or whether it was, you know, what was influencing it. When Olivia Newton-John tells you this, I go, yes, she saw something.
Android (18:37)
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, I believe Olivia. I think she saw something. Yeah. Now here's
Film buffs, are amused to learn that Olivia played the lead role in a 1970 science fiction film titled Tomorrow. It was a campy plot as Olivia and members of the Tomorrow Rock Group being abducted by the Alphoids, a race of extraterrestrials hell-bent
on bringing grok and roll music to their home planet.
Neo (19:10)
That's
awesome. Wait, what year did she do that one?
Android (19:13)
That was in the 70s. I gotta look up tomorrow. I gotta look it up.
Neo (19:15)
Yeah.
Yeah, but what year because I want to I want to find a correlation. What year did she see the alien?
Android (19:21)
She saw the UFO,
she saw the UFO in 74, but this report says that the movie was made in the 70s. So I don't know if it was before or after.
Neo (19:28)
or after
or during the same time.
Because maybe could have could have been a promotion could have been publicity stunt.
Android (19:31)
Maybe it was the alphoids that she saw then.
look at you. How dare you say that about her?
If she says she saw a UFO, she saw a UFO.
Neo (19:39)
Sorry Olivia.
Well, that is true.
Android (19:43)
Last thing I've got for you today. Movie recommendation. Okay. First of all, I love Emily Blunt. I think she's awesome. Okay. And now that she's doing the new film, extra terrestrial film with Spielberg, it's like, I love her even more. Okay. So.
Neo (19:46)
Yeah, what is it?
who doesn't? Who doesn't?
Android (19:59)
In 2028, with her husband, John Krasanski, who I love as well, they did a film called A Quiet Place. Did you get to see it? Have you seen it?
Neo (20:06)
No, I haven't you know why because
that horror it's in that horror genre for me and
Android (20:13)
and yet you get scared.
Neo (20:15)
Not that I get scared ever since I had kids watching horror movies for me is very difficult I don't know if listeners if any of you ever have that I don't know it must be called something because I used to go to horror conventions I used to go so I can't even watch anything with that kind of horror within it, but go ahead
Android (20:28)
Mm-mm.
you know, they usually say that like when women are pregnant, right, they're affected by things after the pregnancy that they can't do anymore that they did before. So like there were women that could drink a lot, now they can. Spicy foods, now they can't. You can't watch horror movies.
Neo (20:35)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
No. Ever since my wife got pregnant. And had kids.
Android (20:48)
Okay, well, I'm gonna give you the overview of this. So basically, it's called a quiet place for a reason. If you make a sound, if they hear you, they hunt you.
Neo (20:56)
Mm-hmm.
Android (20:59)
So if you're like.
Neo (20:59)
Like any sound,
what, what, what, like even a.
Android (21:02)
Anything above
the rustling of a leaf.
Neo (21:04)
That's it, you're
Android (21:05)
say you're walking quietly, right? And all of a sudden you hear, dead. Yeah. So it says, I farted, you're dead, right? So if you haven't seen this film, it did come out in 2018. It's so scary. And these aliens are not nice. They're just not nice. And so I...
Neo (21:11)
Wow. So have you farted? So you're trying be quiet and you're dead. Yeah.
Android (21:30)
I wonder, like, if you have to be quiet like that, what's the point of even living anymore? Like when you just go, hey! I just get eaten and be done with
Neo (21:36)
Well.
mean, think you can use it to your advantage. Can't you take to trap and kill them? I would set up all kinds of quiet traps and that that make noise and that they, you know, they come to that spot and boom dead bitch.
Android (21:54)
Yeah, but there's like hundreds of thousands of times. Like, I got one! They've landed from space, from another planet.
Neo (21:59)
Well how did they get there? How did they get there? They came from another planet?
So for what reason?
Android (22:08)
to eat us for food.
Neo (22:10)
See, this is the thing, like, I don't like how...
Android (22:14)
Nobody
knows, I don't know.
Neo (22:16)
No, no. Okay, but listen, no, my point, my point is that why are these alien movies becoming these predatory things, you know, where rather than an intelligent aspect to it, you know, where every every alien that comes, I guess it makes for a better story for sure more dramatic. But if they're coming here for no other reason than to just kill people.
Android (22:37)
Okay, I'm gonna rewrite Quiet Place. Are you ready? Here it is.
scene isn't a...
Neo (22:40)
Make it a loud place. Make it so that
make it that the aliens can't hear us. They can't hear us. And we're like, Hey, buddy. Hey, buddy.
Android (22:49)
scene is okay
buddy no say that say that the scene is this so we're setting up the beginning of the
Neo (22:53)
you
Android (22:59)
it's an italian
it's really loud waiters are screaming at each other these aliens arrive and they go
Neo (23:00)
I like it so far.
Android (23:06)
Enjoy.
Neo (23:07)
They're just nice about, they're just telling us to enjoy the food.
Android (23:09)
And they're like, you
guys, please just enjoy the food. Think about where you are. Look at this beautiful atmosphere we've created for you. Enjoy the food.
Neo (23:20)
Now let's change that scene. Everyone's at the Italian restaurant. They get served. And they're like, ah, this is so good, oh, come on. And the alien's coming, they just kill
Android (23:23)
Everyone's at the end of town, they just kill
just kill them.
And then it goes to the scene of the aliens eating pasta and they're like, why weren't they quiet? It's so much better when it's quiet.
Neo (23:38)
Maybe,
maybe there's an angle here that maybe the maybe the aliens love Italian food. Maybe that's what it is. We call it a alien Italian.
Android (23:49)
Hey, my boy.
Neo (23:50)
I think I think we're a little bit on to something we got to work it out a little bit more, but yeah
Android (23:53)
Okay, yeah, well, I'm gonna work it out. We'll have it by,
in another 17 episodes, we'll have it by then. We'll do a big reveal of a rewrite of The Quiet Place.
Neo (23:59)
That's right.
gonna love us. All right, now that we've sifted through all the latest in your UFO chaos your internal galactic gossip, I think it's time to dive into our featured story. What do you think?
Android (24:05)
I'm gonna totally love it.
I'm so excited to hear
Neo (24:15)
so let's remind our listeners, this is how it works. I'll lay out the full story of the documented alien encounter exactly as it was reported with a few embellishments.
But I'll stick to the facts and then Andrew and I are going to break it down We'll just dissect the details and decide if this one lands in the mostly true category or if it's just an elaborate Campfire tale and I use campfire today because it takes us to a gap and of course we want to hear what you think so sure you drop your verdict into the comments and let us know if this case is fact fiction or somewhere in the unexplained middle
Android (24:39)
This is a camp. That's campy.
Neo (24:53)
this is the buff ledge camp abduction.
It was a quiet summer camp on Lake Champlain in Vermont. Two teenagers saw something that would haunt them for the rest of their lives. And what started as an innocent evening on the lake turned into a chilling close
One that involves descending UFO missing time and repressed memories that would only resurface years later through hypnosis.
That's the fun part of this story for me.
It was in the summer of 1968. This guy by the name of Michael Lapp, a 16 year old maintenance worker and Janet Cornell. He was 16. He was a maintenance worker at a camp. mean, that's common at camps. Yeah. Summer camps.
Android (25:26)
That's 16.
Okay, so summer camp, right. So
he wasn't qualified to hang out with the kids. They made him a maintenance guy.
Neo (25:36)
Yeah, but he's maintenance. He is in maintenance.
So 16 year old maintenance worker and by the name of Michael Lapp and Janet Cornell, 19 year old water ski instructor. They were employed at the buff ledge camp where this incident takes
is a girl's summer camp and it's located north of Burlington on Lake Champlain, Vermont, their roles at the camp brought them into regular contact. So I guess, you know,
think at summer camps, the kids that work there, all probably pretty close-knit, hang out, all that stuff. So they fostered a working relationship. August 7th, 1968, most campers, they were away at a swim meet that took place in Burlington. So the campground was unusually quiet. Yeah.
Android (26:16)
empty yeah there's
nobody there except for these two the maintenance guy and the water ski instructor
Neo (26:22)
Exactly. So taking advantage of this lull, Michael and Janet, they decide to relax on the camp's boat dock and enjoy the serene view of the lake as the sun was setting.
And it was during this tranquil moment that they experienced the alleged UFO encounter.
Android (26:31)
That's pretty.
Neo (26:37)
just sitting on the dock and at all of a sudden they see these lights they appear over the over the water and at first it was just a bright light that hovered over the lake in the distance and Michael and Janet assumed it was a plane nothing unusual
But then it moved and it moved too fast, too erratic. was too precise and the light dropped straight down, then shot back up. It zigzagged across the sky like it was scanning the
And when the moments it's split into four separate lights and they all moved in this perfect synchronization. Then one of them breaks away from the formation and then it comes directly toward them sitting on the dock.
Android (27:12)
weird.
Neo (27:19)
The object was now so close that Michael and Janet could make out its shape. And they said that it was a large disc like craft with a glowing underside. It was pulsating with soft shining shifting colors and it made no noise. There was no wind and it was just a silent impossible presence hovering just above the water.
Android (27:27)
Okay, got it.
Neo (27:41)
And so Janet, of course scared. grabs Michael's arm and Michael could barely breathe.
And then the light envelopes them. And that's all they remembered of that moment in time at that, at that precise location. That's what they remember up to. far as you know, this is where the story ends. Yes. Right. So following the end of the camp season, Michael and Janet, they go their separate way. Right. And they didn't even mean.
Android (27:58)
Okay, okay.
in 1968 on August 7th.
Neo (28:10)
maintain contact. was just a kid's summer job, right? So off they go. Approximately a decade later in the late 70s, Michael begins experiencing these intense nightmares related to the incident specifically. it was really bothering him. He needed to seek some answers. So he reaches out to the Center for UFO Studies, the CUFOS, which they then introduce him
to this guy by the name of Walter Webb, who is a seasoned UFO researcher, he conducts this hypnotic regression session with both Michael and Janet. So he was like, I'm going to, we're going to do this study with you. We're going to, you know, going to do this hypnosis with you, but since the incident involves this other person, I'd like to also do this with her.
Android (28:43)
Right, right.
Neo (28:56)
independently recount.
They're the details, and they are remarkably consistent in the memories of, that, of what turns out to be an alien abduction.
here we go. So they, they, Michael and Janet, they, they described that there was this gap in reality. So one second they're sitting on the dock and they're staring at the light and the next they're just somewhere else. So here is Michael's hypnotic regression.
as he details it and then we'll get into Janet's. So during his sessions, Michael recounts being enveloped by a beam of light and that lifted him off the dock and into a hovering craft. And inside he describes a sterile metallic environment with curved walls and soft diffused lighting. He encountered beings approximately they were four feet tall, large hairless heads, elongated necks.
and prominent wrap around eyes.
Android (29:55)
Okay. Yeah, yeah. Sounds like the kind of like the grays a little bit, but four feet there. Grays are usually described about five feet. Maybe these were baby grays.
Neo (29:55)
Typical.
Yeah, yeah, well, that. Yeah.
Maybe baby junior Greys. Junior Greys.
Android (30:09)
That's why they're at camp.
Neo (30:10)
Yeah. Junior gray camp.
Android (30:10)
because they're the junior Greys this is they didn't realize
that Michael and Janet didn't realize that they were actually working at an alien space camp for junior Greys
Neo (30:17)
Yeah. Yeah.
And junior Greys were like, let's go fuck with the humans on the dock.
Android (30:22)
Yeah, we don't get to do this very often.
Neo (30:25)
Anyway, they
their skin did appear grayish and it had a texture he likened to smooth leather. So I guess he did touch it. Michael noted that the beans communicated telepathically and they projected calming thoughts to alleviate their fears. His fear anyway.
Android (30:41)
We're gonna bang you.
Neo (30:44)
Yeah, just relax.
recalled undergoing a medical examination where he was placed on a
a device scanned his body and it caused a tingling sensation. the procedure, the beings conveyed a sense of detachment. They focused solely on their tasks without displaying any emotion.
That's kind of the summary of what his experience of the regression is. now Janet's session revealed similar experiences. She remembered the sensation of this weightlessness as she was transported into the craft and inside she observed the same humanoid figures with large black eyes and slender bodies. And she described the interior as minimalist. seamless walls and an ambient humming sound. And she also recalled being separated from Michael and led to a different area.
Android (31:07)
Yeah.
Neo (31:33)
where she was subjected to a medical examination and were used to extract samples causing mild discomfort. she said that she was getting the sensations of pulling on her hair and pinching on her neck suggesting that the beans may have been extracting samples or conducting these tests in that area. However, specific details about what was extracted
Android (31:55)
Okay, top of her head.
Neo (31:59)
were not recalled or documented anywhere. But both individuals reported feelings of confusion and helplessness during their encounter.
Android (32:01)
Right, right, right.
Neo (32:10)
The telepathic communication, while intended to calm them, also conveyed a sense of control. So that's interesting to have that. They're telling you to calm down, but we are controlling you, know, sort of saying. So they kind of resisting felt futile to them.
Android (32:26)
So it must have been like, don't even bother. I'm going to speak calmly to you. Don't even try to resist. Everything's going to be OK. Don't worry about it. Just relax. Just quit talking. Right?
Neo (32:31)
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Shut up. I mean, stay calm.
Yeah. So they did describe the environment as it as devoid of warmth. That's their quote, both in temperature and atmosphere, contributing to a sense of isolation. And the air had a sterile smell. It was heavy and thick.
Android (32:54)
Mm.
Neo (32:55)
and reminiscent of antiseptic environments. we have heard this about the air being heavy and you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, Anyway, so these detailed recollections obtained through hypnosis provided a more comprehensive understanding of the events that transpired on that, during that missing time.
Android (33:03)
You know, and the smell of like gel or some sort of antiseptic, not light salt probably. Pine salt, maybe they use pine salt.
Neo (33:21)
then there, when they were put back on the dock and they were staring at the sky, you know, they were just placed back. The ship has gone. The Lake was calm. knew that something was wrong. and the sun was lower than it should have been. And what had been minutes just felt like felt like hours. So,
Android (33:33)
Right.
Got it.
Neo (33:41)
They never spoke about it. They just sat there. They stared at nothing and the weight of the experience couldn't fully remember pressing down on them until they did this transgression hypnotherapy 10 years later.
the investigation was only done by this Dr. Walter Webb, he was a UFO investigators spent years documenting their case. And he concluded that their experience had too many similarities to other abduction cases to be ignored. The CUFOS Center for UFO studies, they took an interest in this case.
and just added it to their files as one of their more compelling abduction cases of the era and local law enforcement and psychologists found no evidence of deception and both Michael and Janet passed multiple psychological evaluations. don't know, that there, they weren't the only ones to who had seen strange lights over Lake Champlain and the years that followed, were several other sightings reported.
Android (34:36)
Okay.
Neo (34:37)
And there were strange crafts descending into the water unexplained beams of light scanning the forest and even missing time experiences from other locals So that's our story I You know, that's the details I have and I'm gonna hand it over to you as we always do Andrew and I'd like you to weigh in on whether you think this is a mostly true alien story or
Android (34:41)
USOs, USO.
Okay, so for 10 years, know, Michael, he actually had nightmares and stuff for 10 years. finally after 10 years, he decided that he was gonna reach out to somebody and that's when he reached out and they got him in touch with Walter Webb. So Walter Webb started doing the talking to them. initially spoke to them together and then he would talk to them separately. He investigated this thing for five years. He ended up writing a book.
300 page book called encounter at buff ledge So Walter rip um that must have come out in the early 80s. I believe But he wrote the book. I think you can get in on Amazon I think you can actually purchase the book on Amazon called encounter at buff
Neo (35:25)
When did that come out?
you
Android (35:40)
five years only 300 pages
Neo (35:42)
What are you alluding to? I don't know what you mean by that.
Android (35:45)
He
must have, there must have been a lot. I'm sure that during those hypnosis sessions that they repeated. Yeah, but over five years? Come on, not that much. I mean, think about this. The unabridged version of Les Miserables, 1800 pages long.
Neo (35:49)
300 pages is a lot.
Mm-hmm. That's not an alien experience,
Android (36:04)
No, but it's different little revolutions that happened during France in the 1700s, 1800s. it's like, okay, I'm not gonna go there. You know what?
Neo (36:11)
Yeah, I don't I don't know. mean how much how
much can he write about the investigation of this? he add other incidences in that happened around the area?
Android (36:19)
Yeah, I'd have to read
the book. I'd have to read the book. But anyway, so they were taken above. They were taken aboard the ship, right? And this is interesting. This is one of the things that was recalled in the the hypnosis. Michael saw her on a table before it disappeared and he couldn't see her anymore. And he asked them, what are you doing to her? And they said. This is according to the book and what they got, it says spawning.
Neo (36:39)
This is according to the book.
Android (36:45)
consciousness.
Neo (36:46)
What does that even mean?
Android (36:48)
Well, it could mean several things. It could be her the idea. So she she felt uncomfortable. It could be mixing DNAs. They could have been taking eggs from her, possibly, to create. Well, she said she felt taken her hair, but she felt uncomfortable in other areas of her body as well, so she said. So they could have been trying to create a mutant.
Neo (36:59)
from her neck. Maybe the DNA taking her hair.
Android (37:14)
I don't know, possibly. Those junior grays, they're wacky. So much different than the adult grays. Junior grays, maybe they were doing, you know what, I'm thinking that the junior grays took them for their, they had science club later on that week, and they were like, we need something good for science club.
Neo (37:16)
you
Android (37:32)
Now, another thing that I found fascinating is that Michael, in one of his hypnotic things, said that they put a helmet on him. And the helmet had wires coming out of it, which was very similar to a past Antonia. Yeah. I think it was Zinfretta, right?
Neo (37:38)
Mm-hmm.
Antonio the Zanfretta was that Zanfretta
Zanfretta did the helmet the Italians Italian Guard the security guard
Android (37:53)
No.
I can't remember.
my memories wiped every time
It's like Severance. I'm like, I don't recall anything from any other episode. So he had a helmet put on him too. Yeah, but he did say that they spoke to him telepathically and it was calming. They told him, we're not going to hurt you. Just relax. That's it. Clean the planet.
Neo (38:02)
Yeah. Okay, so he had the helmet on. What did he?
Yeah, right. Yeah, I told you that already.
I told you that already. They did not say that. Floss your teeth. They didn't say anything like that. Did you find anything specifically about what they did say other than just calm the calm the f down and
Android (38:20)
Did you know they said clean the planet? No, they didn't say.
They gave him a little bag when they left that had dental floss and...
No,
that's all they, that's all they, that was the whole time that they were there. The other thing too is that they, said that when the light first appeared to them on the dock, when Janet grabbed Michael's arm, he pushed them
Neo (38:39)
Yeah.
Android (38:47)
on the dock. So they got pushed back by Michael and then the ship was gone. Now they also described as, they also described the big ship as the mother ship. And then there were the four little ships.
Neo (38:50)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Yeah, so the other
ones came off of it, yeah.
Android (39:01)
And I
find that fascinating because we've heard mothership described. Like how do these people know it's the mothership?
Neo (39:06)
Well, I think
that's the only way we can explain it. If something's coming from something that's bigger than you would just refer to it as a mothership.
What else? What else would we call it? There was a big ship. It was a big brother ship. And then the little brothers came off of it.
Android (39:14)
Why? Why not just a big ship?
Yeah,
you know, there's not as I dug into the story, there wasn't a whole lot out there. mean, he basically covered everything. I found a couple of little things, but there was not a lot on this. I need to read the book, the 300 page book.
Neo (39:35)
It is unlike any others that we have been telling because, I haven't, I didn't also didn't find anything that could debunk it and, but I'll get to that, but we'll, there any other key points that you found that you don't want to weigh?
Android (39:38)
Right.
I find
that this, this, I think they experienced something.
Neo (39:54)
Wait a minute, wait a Are we getting to the portion where you weigh in on whether this is a mostly true alien story or not?
Android (39:58)
I think I'm getting there.
Neo (40:00)
Okay, well, ladies
and gentlemen, at this point, now, as we always do in this show, we're going to weigh in on whether we think it's a mostly true alien story or not. And I'm going to hand it to Andrew, who is now going to tell me whether he thinks it's a mostly true alien story or not based on everything we've discussed right now and what we could find. What do you think?
Android (40:16)
I need more information on this. I need to talk to Michael or Janet.
Neo (40:19)
I'm
not letting you off that easy right now. You know why? know you're a non-believer, but here's the thing. You can't just say I need more information. That's not how this show works. It is based on what we've just discussed now, currently, during this one hour, within this one hour of time. What do you think? Based on what we've discussed, do you think this is a mostly true alien story?
Android (40:41)
No, I think there were two kids that were out on the dock. I think Michael slipped her a qualude He was like, I'm 16. She's 19.
Neo (40:50)
in
and pick it down down.
Android (40:54)
She doesn't really like
me like that, but now she will like me like that. I think it was the first roofy experience that was recorded and then said it was an alien experience. I think the lights coming were the people coming back from camp and they got caught. He pushed them back. They never spoke about it. Isn't that weird? It wasn't like it was the last day of camp and they went their separate ways.
I don't believe this is a mostly true alien story. I mean, the fact that they never discussed it, they never talked afterwards, I find that really weird to make sure that that's what they're saying. They never spoke of this at the camp, and then the camp ended and they went their separate ways. No, come on. Come on.
Neo (41:31)
So you're thinking
that they got together 10 years later and said, remember that time on the dock? Why don't we just say that we had a
Android (41:36)
I don't think there's aliens involved. Come on. Come on, Zipfretta's story was better.
Neo (41:39)
All right. Well, there you go.
I'm surprised. thought for sure based on all of this and all of the lack of information on the outskirts of this story.
Android (41:46)
Well, that's the thing. There's no
information. I mean, even with the other stories that we've discussed, there's been information. I've been able to find stuff on it. There's nothing to find on this story. No. And how buff was this guy anyway? Why was he at Buff Ledge? It's an all girls camp. Why is he there?
Neo (41:57)
Okay, very good. Andrew says this is same, not a mostly true alien story. Okay.
Android (42:06)
I think Michael's a creepo. Is he alive still?
Neo (42:09)
You actually hate Michael. You hate Michael.
Android (42:11)
hate Michael.
Michael, if you're listening, come on our show and tell us what happened. Tell us about your regressed hypnosis stuff that you had and tell us about the aliens, the junior, junior grace and their science projects.
Neo (42:16)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Lay it on us right now. Alright, well... Alright.
Android (42:26)
Yeah, I don't believe it. I'm sorry,
I don't believe it. There's not a, had better stories, I mean, as far as with details and stuff that I don't believe. So with less information, no.
Neo (42:37)
Alright, well, I appreciate the details that you did share to fill in some of the gaps there. In fact, I want to go back to time in 1968 to those camps were different then, right? So those those types of camps, this was an all girls camp. assuming it's a sleepaway camp. I don't think it's a you come yet. Yeah. So
Android (42:53)
Yeah, it's a sleep away. It's definitely a sleep away camp. Yeah, that I did see.
Neo (42:58)
so they're employing these high school, uh, you know, just graduated high school, going to college kind of kids, you know, it was this fun, loving time then 1968, um, to be at those camps. think that's probably was a wonderful time. And I think that, young summer love happens. I was feeling like I got the sense that maybe there's something going on. They do claim that nothing was happening between the two of them.
but it's, that's romantic. Let's go down to the dock at sunset where the all alone in the camp, let's hang out here and let's have a good old time.
Android (43:30)
Yeah, why would
she's 19, he's 16? I mean...
Neo (43:33)
19 and 16 at that at that time. That's not a big that's not it's not a big gap and It's different girls and guys. It's different. That's different Yeah older girl at summer camp with a guy who's Yeah, was high he was a hot maintenance, dude, maybe you know they were just like hey Why don't we go hang out at the dock today? No one's here, and she's like yeah, let's do it
Android (43:38)
Yeah, but they're going down to the dock at sunset.
Women are more mature than men.
Come on, she's a hot water ski instructor.
Here,
take this purple pill I've got for you.
Neo (44:01)
Yeah, so I don't think any drugs were involved. And I do think this may have been a romantic encounter. And I think they were innocently interrupted by aliens. I believe that this is a mostly true alien story, only because I want to back it up with I've had summer jobs out of high school. And during college, where you make friends.
They're your best friends, family. You may fall in love. You may have a romantic encounter and then you go your separate ways and never talk again. You know, they hit you up on Facebook 40 years later. You're like, would have like, you know, it was like, well, we made out on the dock. Don't you remember?
Android (44:33)
Hey, we have a baby.
This is a picture of your child. Remember me from summer camp? Yeah.
Neo (44:38)
you
Anyway,
I, and I think then, then the fact that they, Michael was struggling this encounter came back, it manifested itself and he had been sitting on it and it bothered him. And he's probably curious as to why this, this was an incident. They remember the happening. They don't remember the incident. And so
It made sense as he matured. So he was 26 and he was struggling mentally with this, that he's going to seek help. seeks
CUFOS says, yeah, this sounds legit. Let's get him help. They're not just taking, they're not taking any of the nut that comes in there and recommending that they get hypnosis. And let me send you over to, I don't know, but I don't, I would, I would like to think that's how they approach these things.
Android (45:20)
1978 they might be. Right.
Couldn't he just been like,
I love her, man.
Neo (45:29)
She won't answer my calls, so this is the only way to get back in touch with her.
Android (45:32)
I you so much, Janet. The way you used to water ski and move across the water. I love you. Please. Yeah. Yeah.
Neo (45:36)
Janet!
Janet!
You think he went through this whole thing just to get Janet back?
Android (45:50)
What did he go through? They put him under hypnosis and they came up with this whole story of alien stuff and she did the same because she doesn't remember.
He did talk to them together. He did talk to them together and then they went separately for their hypnosis sessions.
Neo (45:57)
Well, it's...
Android (46:03)
Yeah, yeah, I found that out. Yeah, I found that out. Now tell me about your alien abduction.
Neo (46:03)
You found that. You found that.
I still believe
because it's 10 years later they did do hypnosis and it revealed the same things, I'm still not, what?
Android (46:16)
Right.
Have
you watched hypnosis like sessions of people being regressed of hypnosis? you watched them?
Neo (46:26)
What you're talking about, like on cruise ships?
Android (46:28)
No, I'm talking like for alien abduction stuff or people that are trying to get trauma back and when they're trying to get them to recess the memories. Some of the people you totally see that they're out. Some of them, you're just like, are making that shit up. I ain't buying it. what happened is Walter Webb is like, five years of this, the guy is still telling me the same story. I only got 300 pages in this book. This isn't going to sell for five years of research.
Neo (46:40)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. You're not mine. Yeah. Yeah, but you're being general. You're being general, right?
Did it sell? Did he make any money?
Android (46:58)
I don't know.
Neo (46:58)
Look that up right now while I finish my theory. I believe that that was a romantic encounter on the dock. The ships did appear that they did abduct them, that they both had the same experience. Yeah, maybe the the aliens were taking DNA, maybe there was something going on, you know, and I want to debunk these. I really do. I mean, but I do lean towards wanting to believe them. But
I, you know, there was nothing that leads me to believe that this did not happen. I don't see why they, these two would lie and I don't know what they have to gain by
I believe that this was a mostly true alien story, Andrew. And I actually I like the whole romantic side of the whole camp experience and, the
Android (47:32)
I'm-
She was like, are you
in? And he's like, a bright light. And then, wow, they're back from dance camp.
Neo (47:47)
Wow, you
really hate Michael You really hate him. I know Well, that's the buff ledge camp abduction Two teens a summer night by the lake and a uf-on encounter that left them with missing time and Questions that would haunt them for years already know that Andrew does not think this is a mostly true alien story. I believe it is a mostly true alien story and
like to know what you guys think, our listeners, so weigh in on the comments like us to talk about.
Android (48:18)
I just found this thing
on talking about it when the encounter was over when they were back on the dock Michael said to her don't worry about it. It's taken care of
Neo (48:29)
Full circle. Alright, well that's it for this episode of Mostly True Alien Stories. Please follow, subscribe, and make sure to tune in next week as we're going to unravel some more cases and determine whether they're mostly true alien stories or not. Thank you, Andrew.
Android (48:45)
Thanks, bye Neil.
Neo (48:47)
We'll see you in the next one.