Neo (00:00)
Hundreds of people, a quiet night in Phoenix and a formation of glowing lights stretching across the sky witnessed by pilots, police, even the
is the Phoenix lights incident. And today we're unpacking the mystery with our guest, Don Sill from the Donversations podcast. Welcome to another episode of Mostly True Alien
Neo (00:37)
welcome back to Mostly True Alien Stories. This is the podcast that we dive into
wildest alien encounters, all real, some ridiculous, and together we're going to try to figure out which ones are mostly true. I'm Neil Gerandola, joined as always by my co-host, Andrew Triana. What's up,
Android (00:54)
up, Neil?
Neo (00:54)
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Our guest today is someone who knows his way around a good story and isn't afraid to interrogate the weird
may know him as the host of the hit podcast, Conversations with Don
just a few weeks ago he grilled me on alien culture, government coverups, and which stories might actually be mostly
is what I call the media Swiss army knife. He's a producer. He's a director. He's a writer. He's a host with a knack for finding the heart of any conversation.
Whether he's on Mike or behind the scenes, he brings curiosity, craft, and just the right amount of skepticism to every story he tells. Today, we're flipping the script though, and we're going to drop him into one of our alien rabbit
Don buy what we're selling today, or will he call BS from orbit? Let's find out from the guy who doesn't believe we went to the moon. Please welcome my friend Don Sill. Hey Don!
Don Sill (02:04)
What's up guys? How you doing? What's up? How you guys doing?
Android (02:07)
Wow.
Neo (02:07)
I am so excited
to have you on Don. Where are you talking to us from?
Don Sill (02:12)
here in beautiful Long Island. I'm out east on Long Island in Suffolk
Neo (02:17)
I got us kick it off. We always ask our guests when they get on here. We want to know, you believe in ⁓ extraterrestrial life on other planets?
Don Sill (02:26)
I do, and I always did. I just can't fathom the idea that we're the only life ⁓ in the whole galaxy. When you
the stars and you say to yourself, could we really be the only ones? Are we the best that the universe
that's why I love your podcast, because it is hard.
to kind of navigate what are real stories, what are made up stories, what are just crazy stories.
what makes it for non-believers to kind of rein it in is that there's so many hoaxes that you can't, like hoaxes like, we went to Mars, we went to the moon and stuff like that,
this is all that.
Neo (03:04)
You know what we got to talk about that done. I want to
alright
Android (03:07)
WHAT?!
Don Sill (03:07)
if
if you know if you want to get some of the believe it
Android (03:10)
Wow.
Neo (03:11)
Let's
Android (03:11)
So, well, yeah, I gotta know more. Yeah, this is.
Neo (03:11)
talk about this. really wanted. Yeah. So, so listeners and Andrew, when I was on Donversations with Don, it was revealed to me that he does not believe we went to the moon. And we talked about it a little bit because there was so much we were talking about on such a great podcast. I can't wait to talk about
the whole moon thing, I...
really want to know why you think that that was faked.
Don Sill (03:37)
there's a few reasons. I think there is like a percentage chance that we did actually go there. But the reason I doubt
just because I look at the time period and what we going through the space race and Russia was was kind of kicking our butts in that. And they were, the first ones to to get into the rocket and make it into space. The first ones to to orbit the Earth, I think, and all of those types of things.
And I think we needed a
I think that's the motive to do it.
And then when you look at the footage and some of the things just look
Neo (04:06)
Doop.
Don Sill (04:11)
and scripted.
Neo (04:11)
Looks so Stanley
Don Sill (04:13)
Yeah, you know, there's rumors that Stanley Kubrick and the hints that are in The Shining and all that kind of stuff. don't know if you saw all that stuff, but I mean, we can go down a long rabbit hole on this, but yeah, I just think
Neo (04:13)
Yeah.
Yeah. yeah.
Don Sill (04:24)
of the evidence, I know there's been other ones that kind of debunk it and they say that they
Neo (04:28)
know, I never, I never asked, ⁓ Andrew, cause you know, Andrew's a non-believer of all of this stuff. So he's one of those guys that just said, you know, I, I almost think he thinks the earth is flat. He's one of a flat earth, flat earthers. But did you, Andrew, did you think that we went to the moon?
Android (04:43)
Yeah, I think we went to the moon. ⁓ I don't know if you guys have ever seen a film called Capricorn
Okay, so go find that film. Capricorn one
Neo (04:48)
No.
Android (04:52)
⁓ right now. Stop the podcast immediately and watch this film. It starts James Brolin as an astronaut and they faked going to Mars.
Neo (04:52)
now? Right now?
faked going to Mars for what purpose? What was the purpose?
Android (05:02)
And they faked going to Mars
to tell people that we went to Mars and they built this whole set and the astronauts didn't know. So like the astronauts went unconscious because they were traveling so far. And when they came to, they had already landed by computer on Mars. They get out. And then I think if my memory serves me correctly, a set light falls onto the planet and everybody freaking freaks out.
the astronauts.
Of course they're going to be interviewed for going to Mars. They have to kill
they can't afford to get them to, you know, they can't, they can't risk them getting out and saying it's all fake.
Neo (05:34)
Wow.
I actually,
surprised I didn't see that. That's a good one. I love that. That whole premise.
Don Sill (05:42)
That sounds good.
Android (05:42)
Yeah, no, it's, it's great. And there's like
a scene where he eats a rattlesnake cause he escaped cause they're in the desert somewhere and he gets a rattlesnake and he eats it. It's, it's, it's really, it's, it's a cool film. It's a cool concept. And so, yeah, when you see that you're like, did we go to the moon?
Neo (05:53)
Well, well.
Android (05:58)
yeah, I don't know. I mean, I, I want to believe that they went. So I'm going to say they did go to the
So.
Neo (06:04)
well the big
question actually is, mean, if you're, let's talk about current times. Do you think that Katy Perry, Gayle King and the rest of the multimillionaire ladies of diversity actually went into space on Blue Origin because that now they're saying that that could even have been faked based on the footage. Dom, what do you think?
Don Sill (06:23)
You know, the only, the questionable, the most questionable part of that, besides their suits, their space suits, which I kind of enjoyed actually, that was my favorite part. Yeah, they look great. yeah, it would have been a better movie, like an action movie with all of them dressed like that. ⁓ But I,
Neo (06:33)
Yeah, I mean good for them. That's smart, right? I have their posters now on my wall.
Android (06:44)
Yeah.
Don Sill (06:47)
it's the door. Did you see the footage of the door when it opens up and then, ⁓
Neo (06:51)
Yeah.
Don Sill (06:52)
it's his face goes in there to open it with the wrench. It doesn't even really, I don't even know if he ever actually turned anything.
Neo (06:54)
Yeah. Yeah.
Don't know. It was almost like a toy door to with the way they opened it. But, actually I loved how he fell right before like in the sums, he's hurrying over to the door or whatever he was doing. He trips and falls like it was Jeff Bezos, a billionaire.
Don Sill (07:11)
Yeah, basically.
Android (07:12)
did no one, mean, was there no comments on how five women flew inside of a giant penis into space for six minutes? I mean, the fact that they called it blue origins and there's a pill called blue choose, right? For men, it's like, what are, what's the message? And first of all, who gives a shit about any of those five people that went into fricking rocket?
Don Sill (07:26)
Yeah.
Neo (07:29)
Why? Well, no! Why-
Don Sill (07:36)
Bye.
Neo (07:36)
Well
listen, I, you know what, we could jump on the mean wagon here on this and it's true. It was all, it was almost got a little cringy for the whole thing. mean, just, well, we don't know that. So I mean, they were friends with Bezos' girl. So I'm sure it was like her treat.
Android (07:37)
I get it. I don't care.
Did they have to pay?
Don Sill (07:54)
Exactly. Come on girls!
Android (07:55)
And she was, wasn't she
the pilot? think she was the pilot too,
One of them actually pilot. said that they were as the pilot. was like, what?
Neo (07:59)
I don't know that there's a pilot.
Don Sill (08:05)
really?
I thought they just all sat in there and just, know, yeah. Did you see the footage when they were up there floating around? Like I've never seen astronauts do, you know, like with the flower and hey, look at me and holding up things. Look.
Android (08:08)
and just flew over space.
Neo (08:10)
Yes.
Yeah. ⁓
Well, that,
I think, I think it just would have been a really nice moment had it not been, you know, like you just said, the whole floating in the screen. Well, yeah,
Android (08:26)
Fake.
Don Sill (08:28)
laughter
Neo (08:31)
Exactly. I just think that they, they made, they tried to make it something that, force it to be something and, they shouldn't have, you know, it shouldn't have even probably should have even tried to avoid the press on this and just do this launch and then talk about it afterwards, because that's what made it, think. ⁓
Android (08:39)
Right. Yeah.
Neo (08:50)
They forced it on us. see their millionaire ladies with, you know, the just getting in this rocket ship and, they don't, there's not piloting. mean, did you hear Katy Perry even talk about STEM? I mean, she was trying to talk about STEM. does. I don't think she even knows what STEM stands for. It was one of those moments. So
Don Sill (09:05)
And
Android (09:08)
Right.
Don Sill (09:08)
to do
this in
the people just got rescued a few weeks ago, they've been up there for eight months to do this. Right.
Neo (09:14)
Right.
Android (09:15)
and they didn't really do anything about them. It's like, they were up there
eight months. Hey, hey guys, how you feel? I feel okay, I feel happy to be back. Thank you, next story please. Blue origins.
Don Sill (09:24)
Exactly, exactly.
And then Blue Origins gets all the headlines and they were up there for literally like 11 minutes. So it's just crazy to me that that could overshadow these these two astronauts that were literally stranded in space for eight months. And then when they came back, little fanfare because it was Elon and and all that kind of stuff. That's what I believe.
Neo (09:31)
Yeah.
Android (09:41)
I
Neo (09:45)
And they had the audacity to call themselves astronauts. I mean, I guess if you ⁓ cross the line into space and come back, you're an astronaut. mean, but they should have, there should have been a mention that we are nowhere near astronauts. We went for a ride on a rocket and someone down low was controlling it. And that's it. We're astronaut.
Don Sill (09:49)
Nice.
Android (10:02)
in a rocket.
Yeah,
Don Sill (10:07)
I
Neo (10:08)
want to talk about your show because it is so, ⁓ your guest list is so eclectic. It's a, you know, you go from, I mean, just recently when you had JVC force on to Judy Gold Yeah. ⁓ Raymond, the Amish comic.
Don Sill (10:21)
Yes.
Neo (10:24)
You have a Mike Erruzione on a Ruziana ⁓ from and yeah. And, ⁓ and, and to your son, even who is a fricking stud of a musician, which is
Don Sill (10:28)
yeah, Rossioni.
Neo (10:38)
it's just such an interesting, eclectic group of guests on there. How did that all come about?
Don Sill (10:44)
Well, it is like basically I do pull from, you know, my interests and people and people that I like and things that I'm interested
basically I started the podcast in 2019. I moved back to New York and I had some friends here. I was already kind of in the comedy scene out here before I moved into North Carolina and then over to Atlanta.
⁓ that's where I met you along the way. You also kind of in the sports world with us doing video work. And, then I came back about 16 years later and kind of picked up right where I left off into the comedy scene. And now the world has changed a little bit in the back of my, my home club, governor's comedy club in Long Island. There was a now podcast studio and the guy who ran the podcast studio is my cousin, Tony Walker. Shout out to my, my buddy, Tony Walker. So he,
Neo (11:35)
Sup, Tony.
Don Sill (11:36)
told me, hey, do want to do a podcast? So I said, sure. And I didn't want to do what everybody else was doing at the time. So I started a game show. So I did like this online game show called Put Up, Shut Up, and Stand Up, which was all themed around
when I kind of started doing the interviews. And I've always, I come from a background of doing interviews and radio and stuff like that.
it just kind of evolved into what I'm doing now. And I just like to have an eclectic guest list of things I'm interested
And I love every...
guest that comes on, everyone has something else to offer, something different. like whether I'm talking to like old school hip hop rap artists, or if I'm talking to you and getting into, you know, space aliens and all this kind of stuff, it's just things that interest me. I interviewed a caving guy, this guy, West Sims out in Alabama, who loves to go crawl into tight spaces and underground and caves.
Neo (12:28)
He's a spelunker.
I mean, that's, that's crazy in itself to do those things. I've seen some videos of people get in there and I've just, I don't understand why you want to do that. That's crazy.
Don Sill (12:39)
No. And that's how,
what interested me with that was the claustrophobia, because I, there's no way I'll ever do that. And then to talk to a guy.
Neo (12:45)
yeah. ⁓ well you wouldn't fit
your your what six how tall you're big you're big guy you're over six to
Don Sill (12:52)
Yeah, six
foot, but like these these shoulders I just would just have to you know, but like the guy West told me we could do it but
Neo (12:57)
Yeah. I learned,
well, I learned a rule of thumb is if you do this with your fingers, you, if you can fit your fingers through a crevice like that from here to here, you can fit your body. That's, that's the lesson I learned in spelunking. Yeah. This is how they check. Yeah. Because you can contort your body, your body. It's, actually the
Don Sill (13:14)
Really?
I guess somewhere.
Android (13:22)
No.
Neo (13:25)
supposed to be the width or size of your head or something and then you can get through. But I've never tried it.
Android (13:28)
Yeah. Hmm.
No, I think that only works with like cats whiskers. think that's the only thing that that works with. I'm, I don't know this whole.
Don Sill (13:31)
Yeah, that'd be...
Neo (13:36)
Yeah.
⁓
Yeah, my it might. Yeah, you're gonna try it all day today. I know you are.
Don Sill (13:42)
Yeah.
Android (13:45)
Yeah, I'm
Neo (13:45)
who were the guests that you had on that were like aliens?
Don Sill (13:49)
Well,
Tommy Chong, would say. Tommy Chong, he's definitely, you know, sort of an alien type guy. He's
Neo (13:52)
my god, I Tommy Chum.
I opened one night for Tommy Chong and,
and I, was just sort of starting out, know, but I would, I had, I had an opportunity to open for him and it was, I was nervous. He was great. He was back backstage waiting for his intro, but I was on doing some standup and I had somebody started heckling me cause they just, know, the Tommy chong crowd, they wanted, they wanted nothing to do with me.
Don Sill (14:20)
Right, yeah.
Neo (14:23)
And so I and it's going over here and you
out sorry. It turned out it was my brother. He was in the freaking audience. He was heckling me there. We had like 300 people. He was heckling me. I found out it was him. But anyway, but Tommy just walks out while I was getting heckled and he's standing behind me and the crowds going nuts. And I thought maybe I said something that was really cool and funny. And then yeah, then we passed it off and I found out it wasn't me. But anyway, I'm sorry. Yeah.
Don Sill (14:34)
Wow.
That's a great, that's freaking awesome.
Android (14:49)
That's funny.
Don Sill (14:50)
when Tommy was on the show, it was the 50th anniversary of their first album. So I was, and I was 50 at the time. So this is about three years ago. So I said, I said, this is what, how old your album looks now. This is if your album was, could age, this is what it would look like. He's, ⁓ man, man, didn't, I thought I did it better than that. But we got to do, ⁓ that's the album with,
Android (14:56)
Wow. ⁓
Neo (15:11)
You
Don Sill (15:17)
Dave's not here. So I got to reenact with him. had the script and we did ⁓ Don's not here. So was like, hey man, open the door. I got the stuff, man. I got the stuff. Who? It's me, man. It's Don. He's like, Don's not here. So it was pretty epic for Tommy Chong ⁓ to do that with him. I was Cheech for a little bit. that was pretty awesome. Yeah.
Neo (15:24)
⁓ cool.
Android (15:36)
Wow.
Neo (15:39)
I love that. That is awesome. What
a great experience too, but you get to do that time and time again. mean, how many episodes now are you in on Conversations?
Don Sill (15:51)
Well, I started putting them all together on a thing. now I, cause I didn't have them organized, but now it looks like I got about 200 interviews on there. and they're not all down conversations. Some of them are the before they were down conversations, they were, it was part of the put up, shut up, stand up thing. So I was doing a COVID show. So I just took some of the interviews I did through that and put them on this down conversations. So yeah, it was about.
Neo (16:02)
Yeah.
Android (16:03)
Wow.
Neo (16:06)
the governors.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Don Sill (16:19)
200 interviews that I've done with all types of walks of life and all types of levels You know some legends like you know, like I said Tommy Chong Tom Driesen Jackie the Jokeman a lot of comp, know comedians a lot of local legends like Joey Kola and a few guys know Joey Kola in Jersey
Android (16:31)
Wow.
Neo (16:38)
Love Joey. Yeah.
Don Sill (16:40)
and ⁓ and guys like that and then you know, just some athletes and all different types of stuff. So yeah and ⁓
It's just always, ⁓ always interesting. And I just always enjoy talking to people, you know?
Neo (16:55)
know, on your show,
it was a great interview. loved everything you were
thrown at me. And one thing that I took away from your show was the whole, ⁓ rapid fire, mostly true or not moment that we put in. I'm going to start adding that into our show. And I think it's only fair that I do this to
Don Sill (17:09)
Right, yeah, was fun.
Neo (17:14)
this is the rapid fire section. Don, ⁓ did this to me on Donversations. You'll have to check out that episode.
I'm gonna throw some claims at you right now, and you're gonna tell me if these are mostly true or not. Okay? Are you ready? Andrew, you can play too if you want, but let Don go first. Here we go.
Android (17:30)
I'll let Don go first.
Neo (17:32)
Alright, Don. The US government knows more about aliens than they let on.
Don Sill (17:36)
Oh, definitely, mostly
I think that, you know, was Area 51. I think there's a lot of stuff there that we don't know. And you think about the stuff that they're letting us know now and they, you know, they're spotting, yeah, like the TikTok, you know, UFOs and things like that. So they're letting us know dribs and drabs of information, but then you wonder how much do they know. And when you look at some of our spacecrafts,
Neo (17:51)
The Disclosure.
Yeah.
Don Sill (18:06)
you know, and some of the technology that we have in the military these days, you wonder, ⁓ that, know, and some of, even some of the metals and things that are so kind of, yeah, I feel like we got an alien tech. So yes, I believe it's mostly true that the government knows way more than they're telling
Neo (18:16)
The alien tech.
Well, this might have ⁓ run parallel to our story we're going to tell today. We'll see.
right. There's an ancient energy source buried beneath the pyramids in Giza.
Don Sill (18:36)
believe it's mostly true and, but I don't think we'll ever really know because they're not going to let us dig there. They're not going to let us uncover it. Right. So there's the people that take care of the pyramids over
I think with, with now with technology and what was it kind of like radio waves or however they're finding that those underground was eight pillars.
Neo (18:55)
Yeah, that lidar,
that radar, yeah, that's reading underground.
Android (18:58)
Yeah.
Don Sill (18:59)
Yeah, and then it turns out that there's
also big rooms down there as well. So I don't know if they'll ever, or maybe they will someday, but I don't know if anytime soon they're gonna really dig and uncover that because the archaeologists over there and the people that keep the, yeah.
Neo (19:04)
Civilizations, yeah.
Yeah, there's a gatekeeper over there.
Android (19:19)
I think it's
where the lizard people live.
Neo (19:21)
you think
the lizard people are down there?
Android (19:22)
Yeah, I think
the lizard people are actually living underneath the pyramids in Giza.
they're, are the keepers of the nuclear plant or whatever power sources down there. That's why they don't come out. They have to constantly watch it because it could destroy the planet.
Neo (19:37)
Very interesting.
Don Sill (19:38)
I do
believe it's a power source though, because if you look at the stones, again, like I don't have all the information at hand, but when you look at it and then,
there's even burn marks inside of those particular pyramids that show that some kind of energy was flying through there at some point. You know, there is some stuff that's beyond our belief where it sounds ridiculous, but in today's day and age,
Neo (19:50)
Those coils, yeah. Yeah.
Don Sill (20:05)
anything is possible because look at all the ridiculousness that we've gone through just in the last few years.
Neo (20:10)
All right.
most people who say they've been abducted are telling the truth.
Don Sill (20:14)
I don't believe most people have been abducted.
Android (20:17)
I'm going to chime in and say they believe they've been abducted, but they have not. I'm going to add that.
Neo (20:23)
Also, you're
but you're saying is different because you're saying that they just have an issue. They're just thinking that they got abducted, but it didn't happen. You're not saying that they made it up.
Android (20:33)
Yes.
I think they believe that it happened to them. Yeah. I don't, uh, it's, it's, there's so many different things that happen to people, especially, know, they're always asleep and there's always no point.
it's like what? Well, no, not always in their butt, but they're like, I have this thing implanted in my hand and it's been there since I was a child because I've been abducted since I was a child. And it's like, seriously? Well, where is it? They took it out.
Neo (20:44)
something in their butt.
⁓
Android (20:58)
Well, why did they take it out? It's, I'm talking about, but a lot of people have said that I, saw a video on Tik TOK with this guy that said that, there was a woman that claims that she got abducted and that she had video cameras around her place. The show that she was abducted and that they saw this shadow thing move over and they've taken all her videos down off of Tik TOK. I'm like, what? She said she had a thing in her hand. And then the guy talking about it says, yeah, I've got this mark on my hand too.
Neo (20:59)
That's Fran Drescher. You're talking about Fran Drescher.
Don Sill (21:00)
Or it's invisible.
Android (21:28)
that I don't know what it is, but I'm telling you it's abducted. I could tell you the guy's got like fricking 1 million followers. So somebody's believe in his bullshit. I'm going to start saying that I've got something implanted in my penis. I mean, come on. Seriously guys. Why would they take the videos down? Like, why would they do that?
Neo (21:38)
some, you know.
Z... Z...
somewhere along
the line,
the narrative has changed that people think that they're going to be killed if they reveal the fact that there's aliens or that they were abducted. this whole thing, I don't believe that anybody's taking videos down. think the people that are taking the videos down are the people that are making the videos to say that the videos are being taken down. You know what I mean? And to build the... ⁓
Android (22:11)
You got to build the suspense.
Neo (22:13)
The aura. Yeah. Alright. Yeah.
Android (22:14)
Yeah. I got to believe it. I must believe it. So yeah.
Don Sill (22:14)
That's what I should do, yeah.
Neo (22:18)
Alright, Don, Aliens walk among us, but we don't notice them. Mostly true or not?
Don Sill (22:22)
Well, if you live in New York, you'll say that's mostly true. No, that's one that I struggle with
Neo (22:25)
Ha ha ha!
Android (22:27)
Yes. Yeah, dude. Yeah, for sure.
Neo (22:30)
Yeah.
Don Sill (22:36)
believing things and then for lack of a better word, then there's kind of like logic, right? So you're like, logically you say to yourself, no, that can't be, this is, you know, this is.
sci-fi movie stuff where there's, you people walking, know, aliens walking among us. But then when I start to think about, you know, ⁓ the world and different situations, I'm like, you know what? ⁓ I think it's
among us might not mean that they're,
the workplace and all this stuff or they're the politicians. It could mean that they have places in the Antartica or in the ocean or something along those lines and we don't see them but they're still on
among us in that regard.
don't know, I'm kind of in the middle on that one. There's a part of me that says it's possible and then there's another part of the fights that like you know two sides of the brain fighting each other on this one. But I think I guess because I think it's possible I would have to say mostly true.
Neo (23:32)
right, last
Elon Musk already made contact and he's just not telling us mostly true or not.
Don Sill (23:38)
never I'd never heard that yet before but
know what? I wouldn't be shocked just to find out that Elon's already kind of has a ⁓ bunch of space friends. ⁓ It wouldn't surprise me.
Neo (23:50)
be a great series. Elon and his space friends. Yeah.
Don Sill (23:55)
I guess I would say,
guess I would say ⁓ maybe mostly, mostly not true on that
Android (24:02)
I see Elon more Android than alien.
Neo (24:06)
Okay, I mean that makes sense
we really appreciate being here guys to make sure you check out Donversations with Don Sill on YouTube. Go subscribe to his channel and you can see all the amazing guests that he has on has had on through the years.
really great show and lucky for us, he's going to stick around to weigh in on our featured story of
Android (24:28)
Yeah!
Neo (24:29)
And so if you're new to the show, here's how this part works. Every episode we walk through one real reported alien
just as it was documented, no hype, no spin. Then we break it down and decide whether we think it's mostly true or mostly just a well crafted story by
Andrew, Don, and I will then each give our take. And of course,
We want to hear yours in the comments. All right, so let's get into it, guys. It's the Phoenix Lights
March 13th, 1997 was a typical warm and dry Thursday night in Phoenix, Arizona. And it was one of those crystal clear desert evenings. Perfect for stargazing.
But by the time the sun went
something massive was moving through the night sky and people all across the state were watching
night between seven o'clock and 10 30 PM, a giant V shaped craft as wide as several football fields was reported silently gliding over the city of Phoenix, stretching northward as far as Prescott and as far south as Tucson.
And it wasn't a blink and you miss it encounter. This was an object was visible for up to 30 minutes in some locations traveling slowly and without a
first reports they came in from Prescott, Arizona around 7 PM. Several claimed, several people claimed to have seen a V shaped craft with five lights embedded in it, silently moving across the
described it as low, massive and eerily quiet. It blocked.
out stars as it passed. And some initially assumed it was a group of aircraft flying in formation until it moved like a single rigid object. And it continued Southeast following a path toward Phoenix gaining more and more witnesses along the
8 15 PM calls were flooding 911 and local newsrooms in Phoenix.
People were stepping out of grocery stores, stopping on roadsides, and they were gathering in backyards, staring upward, stunned at what they were looking
had seen it by now. And here's how they all
It was a boomerang or chevron shaped craft, five lights along the wings, as we mentioned. They move slowly and completely silent. And it was estimated to be between one and two miles
The altitude was possibly as low as a few thousand
it was hard to tell because of its size.
One witness actually said it was so big it covered the sky. I couldn't see the stars above it. Everything went quiet. Even the insects, the insects stopped
you know, it's big.
where those crickets stop.
Some said they felt the vibration like a low frequency hum,
couldn't hear
So among the thousands of people who saw the lights that night was Arizona governor Fife Simington. This is a famous story about this. And at the time he publicly mocked the sighting. He even holding a press conference where his aide dressed up in an alien costume.
and pretended to be the culprit behind the lights. Yeah. And it got laughs. Yeah. It got laughs and effectively it just shut down the media pressure. I mean, that was very smart of
Don Sill (27:39)
That's good.
Neo (27:47)
10 years later in 2007, Symington reversed his story in an interview with CNN. He admitted, I'm a pilot and a former air force officer. And I can definitely say this craft did not resemble any manmade object I'd ever seen. It was enormous.
And it was other
claimed he stayed quiet at the time because he didn't want to cause a
here are the theories. The U S air force eventually stated that the Phoenix lights were simply military flares dropped by a 10 warthog aircraft from Luke air force base during a training exercise over the Barry Goldwater range. Yeah. Yeah. They were supposedly dropped. The flares were supposedly dropped.
Android (28:10)
Yeah.
That's my favorite one. I love
Neo (28:28)
around 10pm and they slowly descended and drifted behind the Estrella Mountains, visible to people in the Phoenix
Now this explanation only covers the second event, a series of stationary lights that were visible around 10pm, but it doesn't explain the massive V-shaped craft witnessed by thousands earlier that evening between 7pm and
That's where most of the mystery of this story still lies.
UFO investigators, including Dr. Lin Katai, who became the Phoenix Lights most well-known researcher, argue that two separate events occurred that night. A massive, silent, low-flying V-shaped craft that moved slowly and covered miles, and then a series of military flares dropped later in the
Many believe the flare story was just used as
a convenient explanation that could deflect attention from the earlier, more mysterious sightings.
and then local law enforcement, including the Phoenix police department, they received dozens of calls that night, but pass them off to the
the FAA and NORAD initially denied having any aircraft in the area that could explain the
later the air force revised their statement to include the training flare drop, but that didn't line up with the witnesses who saw structured object.
two freaking miles wide moving overhead hours
makes this so compelling is the volume of consistent eyewitness reports,
it wasn't isolated incidences. They came from people of all ages and professions, including pilots, police officers, doctors, school teachers, military personnel, and even the governor
And many said that the craft was so close, so enormous, so quiet, they were certain it wasn't anything from
always get into this. Did anybody make money on this? Well, this since it was such a mass ⁓ sighting,
were written, including one by Dr. Lynn Katai, who's called the Phoenix
was documentaries made like the Phoenix Lights. We are not alone.
And then there was TV coverage including History Channel, National Geographic, and Unsolved Mysteries. So no real money-making made-up stories.
Android (30:35)
No, there's no money there. No one person came out on top. Yeah.
Neo (30:40)
multiple investigations, there is no conclusive explanation that has ever been provided for the earlier V-shaped craft sighting. And to this day, the Phoenix Lights is considered one of the most credible mass UFO sightings in history. So...
Here we are, a massive silent, low-flying craft seen by thousands. It was eyewitnessed accounts that match in detail and timing, an initial denial followed by a partial military explanation. A governor who admitted to seeing it but kept quiet and there was no radar confirmation and no official investigation, at least not one that was made public. That is our story of the Phoenix Lights. I am now going to hand it over to you fellas to weigh in.
on whether you think this is a mostly true alien story or
could see Andrew's got some stuff he wants to, he wants to fill in here. Let's let Andrew fill
Don Sill (31:29)
Ha ha ha.
Neo (31:31)
what he thinks, uh, that I missed before we all weigh in.
Android (31:34)
Okay,
so first of all, I commend you on your story, Neil. You reported everything that I was able to find, except for a couple ⁓ witnesses that I actually watched interviews with. So what happens in this thing is that there are several people that saw different things, right? But for the majority, it was this huge ship that was unexplainable.
I mean, it had, like you described, it had lights all along it. It was moving very slowly.
found it fascinating that the military comes out and says, yeah, we were doing these flare drops or, or whatever, but flares don't move like that flares hover. And then they're just going to fade out. Basically, you know, if you ever shot a flare into the sky, it sits there hovering, and then it just kind of burns out. It'll start to start to descend before it burns out, but that's it.
It didn't move like these lights moved, even the smaller portion of lights. That's, that's what I found fascinating that they tried to use that, you know, or they didn't even go with, it was a weather balloon. You know, those are my favorites. Like that's a big fucking balloon. If it's a weather balloon, holy shit.
Don Sill (32:41)
Hahaha
Android (32:44)
was a ship. mean, it was some sort of thing. Now, one of the theories that I heard that it was us military.
it was ⁓ a ship that.
had a cloaking device on it
device somehow malfunctioned, which I find fascinating because you only hear cloaking devices in like, you know, Star Trek, Star Wars, you know, just fantasies, you know, in star fantasy, you hear about cloaking devices. So
tried digging, but there wasn't a lot. mean, everybody said the same thing.
Everyone said it. There wasn't anybody that has come out later, except for the governor that says, yeah, no, it was real. That was just a joke. I was just joking with the alien thing.
there's a theory that I have, and this is interesting. I'm going to share this with you guys. Do you think some of this shit appears in movies so that when it does happen, we're not shocked by it?
Don Sill (33:34)
I believe that.
Android (33:35)
You
Neo (33:35)
there's
Android (33:35)
know-
Neo (33:35)
a machine desensitizing us somehow and through Hollywood. Yeah, for sure.
Android (33:38)
So that way when
they do come, it's going to be like, look, they're here.
think about this. Think about this 1996 was Independence Day. That's when Independence Day the first film came out was 1996 this happened in 1997.
Neo (33:44)
That will. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Android (33:53)
all I'm gonna say.
Neo (33:53)
It may
been a prop move. They may have needed to get it out of California from a movement. Yeah, we're not taking this apart. Yeah, yeah. That's right.
Don Sill (33:59)
Yeah,
Android (34:01)
is come on this ship's taken up way too much room. We're not even talking about Independence Day too. Nobody wants to
see it. They love the first one so much. Let's not ruin it. Let's wait 20 years to ruin it.
Neo (34:11)
That's right.
All right. So Andrew, I'm going to, I'm going to just let you actually weigh in now. Are you saying this is not a mostly true alien story or it is.
Android (34:22)
think it's government is what I think it is. I think it's a governmental ship that something went wrong. was a cloaking device and the device went malfunctioned and they were like, Holy shit. All these people just saw it. I don't think it was an alien. So I'm going to say, no, it's not mostly true alien story. is a true story.
mostly true story. is a true story, but it's not a mostly true alien story. think that it's government.
Neo (34:41)
Right. Okay. Alright, very good.
Android (34:47)
governmental cover-up as usual.
Neo (34:50)
Okay, I'm going to hand it over to Don Don after hearing Andrew's verdict. Let's hear what you have to think. Is this a mostly true alien story or not?
Don Sill (34:58)
I think
Andrew makes a lot of great points on that, especially
Neo (35:03)
Don't feed his
Don Sill (35:11)
But when it comes to
Neo (35:04)
feed his ego.
Don Sill (35:13)
if they say to me that the answer is up,
then I'm gonna go down, you know what saying? Like the government I feel is always misleading us. They're like magicians, it's slight of hand. I just lost a lot of faith in our government and long before these last few years, but for a long time. to
Neo (35:21)
you
Don Sill (35:33)
me, it wouldn't surprise me if it was a government cover up, ⁓ were they covering up our technology, like the cloaking device, like Andrew said, or if they're covering up a literal alien spacecraft UFO flying through.
The fact that there's thousands, literally thousands of eyewitnesses and his photographs and his videos and the governor saw it and even the Kurt Russell came out and said he was there and he saw it. He's a witness to this as well. And it's never been, Russell, he was there, man. What is he? Stuntman Mike, man, he was there. so, yeah, I think that,
Android (36:01)
Kurt Russell, yeah. Snake Plissken, Snake Plissken was there.
Neo (36:03)
Snake pliskin, baby.
Don Sill (36:16)
⁓ that we definitely, I believe it's mostly true on the alien side. I think that was the closest we've ever gotten to that many eyewitnesses to see an unidentified object. think the second place would be the recent one where they fit the military film, the Tic Tac. I think those are the most two credible ones that I know of.
So yeah, think, know, in watching some of the documentaries leading up to coming here today with you guys, it just seems
yes, and it's a government cover up to because to our earlier statement about there's a government no more than they lead on to, I definitely think so. And I think that ties into this big time.
believe it's mostly true alien story, to support Andrew as well, I do think either way the government's covering something up, whether it's themselves and the cloaking device or actual space alien
Android (37:11)
Alien. Yeah.
Don Sill (37:13)
on
Neo (37:13)
All right.
So Andrew says it is not a mostly true alien story, but it is a government cover up. Don, you say it is a mostly true alien story, but, government is involved in some way, shape or form. Yeah, that's right. All right. So now it's my turn to weigh
Android (37:22)
and a government cover up. He's a twofer baby. He's the twofer.
Don Sill (37:24)
Yeah
Neo (37:30)
I look at this as a definitely a, ⁓ cover
I think that this is.
I'm going to lean towards this being, ⁓ alien technology built by the government and hidden by the government, because there was certainly discrepancies in how they, handled it after the fact. And then saying it was them with flares when they denied everything prior. So I, there's no reason that I don't think that they were, if it were alien related, I don't, I, I believe that we would see fighter jets flying.
you know, chasing this thing, we'd see a big presence of Air Force or Army or National Guard. In some way, there were no reports of that. So my feeling is that this is alien technology that they were testing out that they know about. So this is both it's the alien, you know, the influence, but government owned and I think
Android (38:20)
Yeah.
Neo (38:35)
that this is not a mostly true alien story, but it is a true happening that the government caused and we're trying to hide. Yeah.
Android (38:44)
Wow,
Stephen Greer would be so proud of you right now.
Neo (38:48)
But he has pictures of it. He has pictures of it.
Android (38:50)
Right. Well, he's got a
picture of Flippy and Dippy, the alien friends that he had by the campfire. But no, mean, he's, he's been saying that the government has been working with aliens on technology for years, for over 30 years. That's what he's been saying. But yet he's been able to prove nothing, but his life is in danger.
Neo (38:53)
It's yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Don Sill (38:56)
you
Neo (39:07)
it's just funny to me that the government would go, hey, let's build a two mile large ship and test it out.
Android (39:12)
Well, was a
was a guesstimate of how big it was. mean, it was at least a mile long, at least a mile.
Neo (39:18)
Yeah, but that's still
Don Sill (39:18)
and where are they keeping it?
Neo (39:19)
big. Still big.
Don Sill (39:19)
And how come no one's ever seen it since? my bad. It's right above us.
Android (39:21)
Cause it's cloaked. Come on Don, it's just floating up in the sky cloaked. mean, Sarah, Neil, come
Neo (39:23)
Yeah.
Yeah. The aliens,
Android (39:29)
on, get this guy off the show. I mean, come on.
Neo (39:30)
the aliens. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Get with it, Don. You know, the aliens stepped in. They said after they flew that ship, said to the government, listen, we told you, you got to make it look like stars underneath and you got to have cricket sounds. You got to have cricket and insect sounds. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. That's right.
Don Sill (39:33)
You
Yeah, when they lost the crickets, that's when it all...
Android (39:47)
As soon as the crickets, as soon as the crickets were gone. But yeah, I mean, that was, that was, that
was, you know, I forgot to bring that up. Thanks for saying that, but yeah, I looked to see if there was any military activity in the area. None. And there's really nothing about that. It was on radar. They kind of silence that too. It's like, well, what was it?
Neo (39:58)
Yeah, Zero. Yeah.
Hmm.
Yeah. So this was a government cover up of alien technology, not, not produced by the aliens. The government made it and, and there they were testing it
the Phoenix lights, thousands of people, massive V-shaped craft, total silence and still no real answers. Andrew, Don, appreciate both of you weighing in on this one. Don, you've interviewed me about aliens, but now you're in the chair. What did you really think about the Phoenix lights?
Don Sill (40:34)
My takeaway is that
nothing is too big for a
whether it's the moon landing or the Phoenix lights.
Neo (40:44)
Yeah.
Android (40:45)
man, he just loves going to that- The moon landing. It was the moon landing.
Don Sill (40:48)
I just like this.
I just I do that just thing for Neil. It cracks me up. But yeah.
Neo (40:53)
Yeah, boy, I can't,
I can't wait till the day that it comes out that you're going to change your mind about that moon landing.
Don Sill (41:01)
But I do think that it just shows you that that's my biggest takeaway is that ⁓ anything can be covered up even if there's thousands of witnesses that they could just use their Jedi powers and ⁓ you know, almost similar metaphorically to the, you know, men in black light when they put the flesh. It's similar to that where they can say there's nothing to see here and we all, okay, all right, I guess we were wrong. It was a swamp gas or it was a military flares.
Neo (41:24)
Right. Yeah.
Now look into my pen. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Well, that's a huge thanks to you, Don, for hanging with us. Uh, if you listeners haven't checked out, Don conversations with Don, still now's your time on YouTube. He gets everything from comedy to conspiracies and somehow it keeps it all grounded. And I appreciate you being here,
Don Sill (41:32)
Yeah, exactly. So.
Android (41:34)
man.
Don Sill (41:49)
Thank you so much. Everybody check out the episode I did with Neil. was awesome. One of my favorite ones. And ⁓ we touched a lot of things. It was pretty awesome indeed.
Neo (42:00)
for everyone listening, what do you think? Was the Phoenix Lights incident a genuine mass sighting of something otherworldly or something a lot closer to home?
says it was alien. Andrew says it was government. I said it was government with alien technology. Anyway, you guys let us know in the comments. Yep. Hit follow, subscribe, share the show and help us keep building this community. We'll be back next week.
With another case that challenges the line between what's real and what's mostly true until then. Thanks for listening and be kind to the aliens when they get here. That's it. Thanks fellas. Awesome.
Don Sill (42:36)
Take care everybody.
Android (42:36)
Thanks.